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[375 Ruger Fan]

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

Looks like thing are going to Shit in Tanzania:

About 700 killed in Tanzania election protests, opposition says

Demonstrators took to streets after president’s main challengers were excluded from ballot

www.theguardian.com

Sudan too

Sudan war: Reports of mass killings in el-Fasher in Darfur have echoes of country's dark past

Some are warning of a genocide unfolding in Darfur - violence that is linked to killings there 20 years ago.

www.bbc.com

 

[Hunt anything]

You know before you unfortunately materialised on this site this thread was quite informative and interesting....yes there were disagreements..arguments and the odd insult chucked....but it still chugged along pleasantly....with some pretty informed people from various industries and backgrounds contributing.....then you appeared and have single handedly basically not far off destroyed it.....you are the most obnoxious, arrogant, self centred argumentative individual that loves the sound of his own voice ,just repeating the same drivvle over and over and over ad infinitum....you are the king of copy and paste as you repeatedly use the same crap......I have been on this site for a few years, and I don't like slapping someone down and have rarely done it.....but you are something else ......

Come on @spike.t , tell us how you really feel! LOL

 

[spike.t]

Put a Mercedes diesel in it and I’d buy it sight unseen and likely drive it until the day I died…

Try find one of these..or in Europe....most likely need some work but might be worth it

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[wesheltonj]

You know before you unfortunately materialised on this site this thread was quite informative and interesting....yes there were disagreements..arguments and the odd insult chucked....but it still chugged along pleasantly....with some pretty informed people from various industries and backgrounds contributing.....then you appeared and have single handedly basically not far off destroyed it.....you are the most obnoxious, arrogant, self centred argumentative individual that loves the sound of his own voice ,just repeating the same drivvle over and over and over ad infinitum....you are the king of copy and paste as you repeatedly use the same crap......I have been on this site for a few years, and I don't like slapping someone down and have rarely done it.....but you are something else ......

@spike.t Strong letter to follow?

 

[wesheltonj]

Kilimanjaro Airport:

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[spike.t]

@spike.t Strong letter to follow?

Yeah who knows...just warming up....

 

[spike.t]

So....this explains why so many males are ..how shall we say ...not how they used to be....feminised and smaller brain.....

 

[Brent in Az]

You know before you unfortunately materialised on this site this thread was quite informative and interesting....yes there were disagreements..arguments and the odd insult chucked....but it still chugged along pleasantly....with some pretty informed people from various industries and backgrounds contributing.....then you appeared and have single handedly basically not far off destroyed it.....you are the most obnoxious, arrogant, self centred argumentative individual that loves the sound of his own voice ,just repeating the same drivvle over and over and over ad infinitum....you are the king of copy and paste as you repeatedly use the same crap......I have been on this site for a few years, and I don't like slapping someone down and have rarely done it.....but you are something else ......

Probably not even a dude, but some lonely blue haired chick with a nose ring....

 

[Altitude sickness]

Frosty, here are my feelings on Hamas and Palestinian's now bemoaning that Israel whipped their ass.

Hamas apparently forgot that Israel kicked Iran and Hezbollah ass leaving Hamas on their own. They should have taken that into consideration before attacking civilians at a music festival and civilians in their homes.

 

[rookhawk]

Agree on getting rid of the illegals etc...but this needs fixing fast......

The American adoptees who fear deportation to a country they can't remember

Thousands of US adoptees do not have citizenship despite being brought to the country as babies decades ago. Now many fear deportation.

www.bbc.com

We have 30 to 40 million illegal aliens in this country. If we wanted to ruthlessly round all of them up and deport them it would take about 50 years. ICE is going after the 140,000 gang members in the city of Chicago, not going after the 90 year old Mexican grandma or the adopted children from foreign countries.

 

[Frostbite]

As I posted previously, there was in fact a deal that the Palestinian Authority (essentially the PLO) jointly negotiated at Camp David with the Israelis and the US.

As posted previously and posted now........your claim is totally false.

There was never a deal--not even close.

What you post is specious Zionist propaganda.

Here's what really happened.

In contrast to the story of the “generous offer” allegedly made by Barak, in reality the Israelis never actually made a formal offer to the Palestinians at Camp David, and submitted no written proposals. The only proposals offered by the Israelis were made orally, mostly through US officials, and lacked detail. The Israelis and Americans pressured Arafat to accept these vague proposals as “bases for negotiations” before moving on to other, more serious negotiations.

One of the proposals was not so vague. It was this total rejection of the right to return.

On the future of refugees expelled from their homes during Israel’s establishment in 1948, the Israelis said the solution to their plight should be found “elsewhere” than Israel.

This was a deal breaker and President Clinton soon made an announcement that the two parties could not come to an agreement.

What Happened at Camp David in 2000?

In 2000, Israeli and Palestinian leaders met at Camp David to negotiate a final peace deal. Talks collapsed as Israel refused clear offers and expanded settlements.

imeu.org

I hope this helps you understand what really happened and encourages you to seek out reliable sources.

Incidentally, the rest of your long post is equally lacking in reality. It's ALL Zionist revisionist history and quite laughable and without ANY merit or validation by citations from ANY source.

 

[Field28]

You know before you unfortunately materialised on this site this thread was quite informative and interesting....yes there were disagreements..arguments and the odd insult chucked....but it still chugged along pleasantly....with some pretty informed people from various industries and backgrounds contributing.....then you appeared and have single handedly basically not far off destroyed it.....you are the most obnoxious, arrogant, self centred argumentative individual that loves the sound of his own voice ,just repeating the same drivvle over and over and over ad infinitum....you are the king of copy and paste as you repeatedly use the same crap......I have been on this site for a few years, and I don't like slapping someone down and have rarely done it.....but you are something else ......

The one thing Leftists seem to excel at...destruction!

 

[Frostbite]

You know before you unfortunately materialised on this site this thread was quite informative and interesting....yes there were disagreements..arguments and the odd insult chucked....but it still chugged along pleasantly....with some pretty informed people from various industries and backgrounds contributing.....then you appeared and have single handedly basically not far off destroyed it.....you are the most obnoxious, arrogant, self centred argumentative individual that loves the sound of his own voice ,just repeating the same drivvle over and over and over ad infinitum....you are the king of copy and paste as you repeatedly use the same crap......I have been on this site for a few years, and I don't like slapping someone down and have rarely done it.....but you are something else ......

Your near-terminal butt hurt is acknowledged.

Have a nice healing day.

 

[Brent in Az]

As posted previously and posted now........your claim is totally false.

There was never a deal--not even close.

What you post is specious Zionist propaganda.

Here's what really happened.

In contrast to the story of the “generous offer” allegedly made by Barak, in reality the Israelis never actually made a formal offer to the Palestinians at Camp David, and submitted no written proposals. The only proposals offered by the Israelis were made orally, mostly through US officials, and lacked detail. The Israelis and Americans pressured Arafat to accept these vague proposals as “bases for negotiations” before moving on to other, more serious negotiations.

One of the proposals was not so vague. It was this total rejection of the right to return.

On the future of refugees expelled from their homes during Israel’s establishment in 1948, the Israelis said the solution to their plight should be found “elsewhere” than Israel.

This was a deal breaker and President Clinton soon made an announcement that the two parties could not come to an agreement.

What Happened at Camp David in 2000?

In 2000, Israeli and Palestinian leaders met at Camp David to negotiate a final peace deal. Talks collapsed as Israel refused clear offers and expanded settlements.

imeu.org

I hope this helps you understand what really happened and encourages you to seek out reliable sources.

Incidentally, the rest of your long post is equally lacking in reality. It's ALL Zionist revisionist history and quite laughable and without ANY merit or validation by citations from ANY source.

 

[Frostbite]

We have 30 to 40 million illegal aliens in this country. If we wanted to ruthlessly round all of them up and deport them it would take about 50 years. ICE is going after the 140,000 gang members in the city of Chicago, not going after the 90 year old Mexican grandma or the adopted children from foreign countries.

I agree..........but.........

Their methods are far too heavy-handed.

That's what is causing the harsh and negative reaction.

The reason this is happening is that Trump wants big numbers and has tasked them with unrealistic quotas.

Trump needs to fix this fast or things will just get worse.

 

[roverandbrew]

You know before you unfortunately materialised on this site this thread was quite informative and interesting....yes there were disagreements..arguments and the odd insult chucked....but it still chugged along pleasantly....with some pretty informed people from various industries and backgrounds contributing.....then you appeared and have single handedly basically not far off destroyed it.....you are the most obnoxious, arrogant, self centred argumentative individual that loves the sound of his own voice ,just repeating the same drivvle over and over and over ad infinitum....you are the king of copy and paste as you repeatedly use the same crap......I have been on this site for a few years, and I don't like slapping someone down and have rarely done it.....but you are something else ......

I agree

 

[Doug Hamilton]

We have 30 to 40 million illegal aliens in this country. If we wanted to ruthlessly round all of them up and deport them it would take about 50 years. ICE is going after the 140,000 gang members in the city of Chicago, not going after the 90 year old Mexican grandma or the adopted children from foreign countries.

I was going to say the same thing. ICE has no interest in deporting anyone who was legally adopted as a child by American citizens. Also, if there is any proof that her father was an American she is already an American citizen.

 

[Houston Bill]

As I posted previously, there was in fact a deal that the Palestinian Authority (essentially the PLO) jointly negotiated at Camp David with the Israelis and the US. Ehud Barak led the Israeli delegation, Bill Clinton the US, and Yasser Arafat the Palestinians. There were major issues of contention, but a deal was finally hammered out that made no one entirely happy, but would have created a Palestinian State with the Arab quarter of Jerusalem as its capital. Israel's capital at the time was Tel Aviv. At the last minute, Arafat walked away from it. Palestinian revisionist history claims it was because it did not address fully issues like right of return. The reality is that the deal was done, but Arafat could not bring himself to be a great man like Anwar Sadat choosing instead to remain "relevant" as the leader of a group of terrorist thugs.

Other than vocal sympathy, one can trace the political abandonment of the Palestinians by most of the remainder of the Arab world to their frustration with those failed negotiations. Iran stepped in to fill the void for its own hegemonic purposes, using both the Palestinians and northern Shia minorities to sow regional conflict. It is why regional Arab sympathy for the Palestinians remains at a historically low point even following the Gaza campaign.

The Palestinian refugee problem is real, but it is also one in which they played a significant role in their own creation. That somehow the Zionists woke up one morning and drove the Palestinians out is the sort of revisionist history that the ignorant demonstrating millennials and boomers embrace because they have no real education on the subject and are subject to the breathless propagandists on X, Tic Toc, and too many college campuses.

The refugees are a direct result of the 1947-49 war which resulted from the end of the British Mandate and planned implementation of the UN Partition Plan of 1947 which would have created a Jewish and an Arab State with Jerusalem maintained under international administration. Regional Arab leadership rejected this plan leading to the first war of attempted Arab extermination of Israel. Initially a viscous guerrilla war conducted by both sides, that changed dramatically when conventional Arab armies invaded in 1948.

That conventional warfare changed the nature of the conflict dramatically as mechanized military formations from Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon attempted and ultimately failed to eradicate the fledgling state of Israel. That of course puts a lie to now pandered "facts" embraced by the chattering class, that a then almost non-existent but somehow all powerful Israeli military machine was used to drive the civilian population out of Israel. A drive along Israeli highway Route 1 (a particularly beautiful forested mountain road) would be informative to those who believe this nonsense. There one can see the destroyed locally armored trucks maintained as memorials that the Israelis were forced to use against Jordanian and Egyptian armor (primarily British) as they fought to keep the supply route open from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

So, what happened and why did roughly 700,000 refugees flee what would have been their homes had they and their regional Arab sponsors simply accepted the UN plan? As I mentioned, the guerilla warfare phase was a particularly dirty war which the Israelis were both willing and able to prosecute as effectively as the Palestinians. Villages and Kubutzes occupied by Palestinians and Israelis were regularly attacked. Unfortunately for the Arabs, the Israelis tended to fight tenaciously and most kubutzes, which became small fortresses, survived. In a precursor to the series of wars to come, the Arab settlers did not, opting to run.

As the war became conventional. major portions of the landscape became true battlefields. Villages were used as strongpoints by both sides leading to their destruction. The Jews stayed and fought because they were fighting for the survival of their fledgling country and the survival of their families, while the Palestinians fled to the shelter of the Arab Armies and Arab States attempting to destroy the Israelis. Their expectations were to return over the bodies of the Zionists to seize all of Palestine however much of it may have been legally acquired in the preceding fifty years by Jews.

To the astonishment of most of the world. and none more so than the Palestinians, the Israelis prevailed. In Israel, the period is called the War of Independence. The Arab world refers to it as the "Nakba" which translates as the Catastrophe. Not surprisingly, Israel has had little appetite to repatriate a segment of the former population that was dedicated to Israel's destruction. Having gone through the Crucible of the Holocaust and War of Independence followed by every action since 49 whether by the PLO in Munich or Entebbe, the rocket barrages from Lebanon and Gaza, or the butchery of October 7th, the Arabs have reinforced that conclusion.

Interestingly a segment of the Palestinians did remain. Today they make up nearly 20% of the Israeli population (almost 2 million people). They are full citizens with all political and civil rights enjoying every level of Israeli society, including serving as politicians, judges, and in other government positions. The one exception is the military where, like Christians, they do not face compulsory military service like Jewish citizens. However, many voluntarily serve in the IDF. These too are facts diligently ignored by the revisionists.

Very well stated and clearly fact based. When you do the unbiased research you discover that the the reality of the Israel/Palestine history is far from the version often espoused by the far left here in the US and especially on our college campuses. While both sides have committed atrocities over the years the truthful reality is far from "Israelis bad....Palestinians the innocent victims. And unlike the drivel from @Frostbite the above summary from @Red Leg provides a brief but fact based summary of the history of that region.

 

[Frostbite]

Very well stated and clearly fact based. When you do the unbiased research you discover that the the reality of the Israel/Palestine history is far from the version often espoused by the far left here in the US and especially on our college campuses. While both sides have committed atrocities over the years the truthful reality is far from "Israelis bad....Palestinians the innocent victims. And unlike the drivel from @Frostbite the above summary from @Red Leg provides a brief but fact based summary of the history of that region.

No.

Red Leg failed to post any links to back up his long and very well stated misinformation.

He claimed that there was a deal made at the Camp David talks and the Palestinians backed out for no good reason.

Not true.

It was all based on Zionist propaganda and none of it was factual there was no deal--never even close and it was for the usual reason--the Zionists refused to allow the Palestinian Refugees to return.

I responded with this:

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In contrast to the story of the “generous offer” allegedly made by Barak, in reality the Israelis never actually made a formal offer to the Palestinians at Camp David, and submitted no written proposals. The only proposals offered by the Israelis were made orally, mostly through US officials, and lacked detail. The Israelis and Americans pressured Arafat to accept these vague proposals as “bases for negotiations” before moving on to other, more serious negotiations.

One of the proposals was not so vague. It was this total rejection of the right to return.

On the future of refugees expelled from their homes during Israel’s establishment in 1948, the Israelis said the solution to their plight should be found “elsewhere” than Israel.

This was a deal breaker and President Clinton soon made an announcement that the two parties could not come to an agreement.

What Happened at Camp David in 2000?​

In 2000, Israeli and Palestinian leaders met at Camp David to negotiate a final peace deal. Talks collapsed as Israel refused clear offers and expanded settlements.

imeu.org

What Happened at Camp David in 2000?

In 2000, Israeli and Palestinian leaders met at Camp David to negotiate a final peace deal. Talks collapsed as Israel refused clear offers and expanded settlements.

imeu.org

I hope this helps you understand what really happened and encourages you to seek out reliable sources.

Incidentally, the rest of your long post is equally lacking in reality. It's ALL Zionist revisionist history and quite laughable and without ANY merit or validation by citations from ANY source.

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So, no...........I disagree (and the facts disagree) with Red Leg's post.

I hope you will research actual history before making a decision on what is true and not true.