Politics

[mdwest]

^^^^ Add entrenched agencies in Trumps ear.

“ Mr. President, remember it’s not such a bad thing if Putin thinks he is in the drivers seat and can win or get what he wants. Who cares if he gets more Ukrainian land if it completely collapses Russia financially and militarily”.

Not a popular position… but… it’s an understandable one if that’s what is really going on..

3 years ago a lot of people were touting the value of the Russian war machine being turned to rubble and the Russian economy getting kicked in the ass while at the same time reducing Ukrainian corruption and global cyber crime (the Ukrainians WERE (past tense) among the best and most prolific cyber criminals on earth until they started dying by the dozens daily)…

Fast forward to today and the brutality of this sort of warfare becomes evident to the world, and analysis of the value Ukraine can bring to the rest of the world becomes more apparent (rare earth minerals, resilient people, et )…

But I can almost guarantee that a combination of war hawks and sycophants are advising him daily to not let Putin outright win… but also not support Z enough to gain momentum.. and let the two must continue to grind each other to dust for another year or two

 

[Red Leg]

^^^^ Add entrenched agencies in Trumps ear.

“ Mr. President, remember it’s not such a bad thing if Putin thinks he is in the drivers seat and can win or get what he wants. Who cares if he gets more Ukrainian land if it completely collapses Russia financially and militarily”.

My problem with that thesis is - were that the case, he would be more actively supplying Zelensky with the materiel necessary to prolong the war indefinitely.

I think it is more an issue of Trump viewing Zelensky, and by extension Ukraine and the EU, as impediments to the relationship he wants to forge with Putin.

 

[Altitude sickness]

I don’t have any solid info. Like most. It’s more of a curiosity on why things have progressed the way they did in Ukraine.

My guess is it’s a little of each. He does not like Zelenskyy. Thinking back to the Biden/Burisma corruption and Trumps phone call that led to Impeachment in the House.

So does not want to help him. But knows he needs to so as Obama and Biden did before. He slowly, reluctantly seems to give Ukraine just enough to keep stringing Putin along.

I think we all know if Ukraine was handed what they needed. Ukraine would’ve destroyed Russia a year ago, but that wouldn’t have drug it out long enough to completely collapse the military.

So maybe it’s an all of the above “strategy” ?

 

[WAB]

I think it’s ego…

He hates Z…

Z has given Trump plenty of reasons to not like him…

Trump can’t see past his personal distaste, even if it’s for the betterment of the region and/or the world at large..

Of course there’s some ego problems with Z as well…

Putin has figured out the game… you can defy trump..but you can’t intentionally insult or make fun of him..

Z openly supported not just Harris and Biden, but other key dems in the last election (definitely called that shot completely wrong).. he’s made derogatory comments about trump publicly.. he attempted to renegotiate a dons deal that he knew trump was touting on national tv…

If he expects to get back into trumps good graces, he has a lot of ass kissing and groveling to do… and is going to have to “give up” something substantial in the process… trumps ego won’t allow otherwise..

Trump can get pissed and reunite with past “enemies”… there was a time he and DeSantis hated each other… Cruz and he hated each other… Rubio and he hated each other… they’ve all figured out a way to move forward (largely with Rubio, Cruz, and DeSantis changing, and trump remaining stalwart).. he even had a fallout with Elon that recovered reasonably quickly..

Z doesn’t appear to be willing to make the same moves..

He might deceased to negotiate with now.. but he hasn’t done nearly enough butt kissing to satisfy trump yet..

That’s sadly going to be the only thing that moves things the other direction with trump

Personally, I wish Europe would unite strongly behind Ukraine and tell us to get lost. If Russia has had this much trouble with Ukraine, I can’t imagine that he’d have a prayer with full European support.

 

[mdwest]

Personally, I wish Europe would unite strongly behind Ukraine and tell us to get lost. If Russia has had this much trouble with Ukraine, I can’t imagine that he’d have a prayer with full European support.

Completely concur…

I think the issue there is most of Europe has spent the last 20-30 years neglecting its own defense.. if it gives more than it’s already giving and if Ukraine loses, they then lack the materials they need themselves… they just don’t have a surplus..

Now that many have ramped up, I’d think in 3-5 years they will be able to provide more..

The problem there is.. Ukraine has to survive 3-5 years first…

 

[Brent in Az]

Much to the chagrin of the anti-Trumpers.

 

[fourfive8]

For inside skinny on Ukraine just ask the Bros Vindman. After all, AI says they are known for having highest standards of integrity.

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

Always interesting news from the UK.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2004603692197036322

Tories and Labour face questions over support for activist Alaa Abd el-Fattah

Dissident was freed by Egypt after campaign by successive UK governments but offensive posts have surfaced

www.theguardian.com

 

[Brent in Az]

Always interesting news from the UK.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2004603692197036322

Tories and Labour face questions over support for activist Alaa Abd el-Fattah

Dissident was freed by Egypt after campaign by successive UK governments but offensive posts have surfaced

www.theguardian.com

A classic example of the sheep supporting the wolves

 

[Whit]

Matt Goodwin calls this ‘suicidal empathy’… and I cannot help but agree.

 

[spike.t]

Always interesting news from the UK.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2004603692197036322

Tories and Labour face questions over support for activist Alaa Abd el-Fattah

Dissident was freed by Egypt after campaign by successive UK governments but offensive posts have surfaced

www.theguardian.com

Tousi TV had this.....

 

[spike.t]

The church of England has more pressing problems on its plate than throwing money away like this....unbelievable...

New archbishop urged to scrap £100m fund over slavery links

A group of MPs and peers claims the funds can only legally be spent on churches and payment of clergy wages.

www.bbc.com

 

[spike.t]

More destruction of UK countryside traditions

Hundreds attend Boxing Day hunt despite being told they are ‘not welcome’

The wildlife presenter said the annual event was ‘ethically and morally bankrupt’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Tundra Tiger]

Supposedly the meeting between Trump and Zelensky went well. Sooooo.... how long before:

The Kremlin says the plan needs a lot of work.

The Kremlin spells out their demands (again) before anything is considered.

And Trump fails to follow through on anything remotely resembling effective pressure on Putin or real support of Ukraine.

They have beaten to death a horse named Deja Vu.

 

[spike.t]

Supposedly the meeting between Trump and Zelensky went well. Sooooo.... how long before:

The Kremlin says the plan needs a lot of work.

The Kremlin spells out their demands (again) before anything is considered.

And Trump fails to follow through on anything remotely resembling effective pressure on Putin or real support of Ukraine.

They have beaten to death a horse named Deja Vu.

So Russia is serious about peace and wants Ukraine to succeed.....mmm....

Trump and Zelensky appear more upbeat - but show no evidence that peace is near

Although both leaders express optimism in Florida there is no indication of progress, writes the BBC's Vitaliy Shevchenko.

www.bbc.com

 

[Tundra Tiger]

So Russia is serious about peace and wants Ukraine to succeed.....mmm....

Trump and Zelensky appear more upbeat - but show no evidence that peace is near

Although both leaders express optimism in Florida there is no indication of progress, writes the BBC's Vitaliy Shevchenko.

www.bbc.com

I am not mentally addled enough to believe Putin wants peace. I could more easily be convinced AOC is going to switch to the Republican party.

 

[spike.t]

Interesting read ....never knew about the other civil unrest or amount of it in other parts of China during/after the Tiananmen square massacre....

John Simpson on wars: ‘Why I've never seen a year like 2025'

It has been a year of multiple major conflicts - and there are geopolitical implications of unparalleled importance

www.bbc.com

 

[Tanks]

…they’ve all figured out a way to move forward (largely with Rubio, Cruz, and DeSantis changing, and trump remaining stalwart)..

The problem is “change” in this case is Zelenskyy accepting Russia’s terms that is being channeled through Trump.

Almost like saying there would be no domestic violence if women just would listen. That seems to be the position of Trump vis a vis Ukraine and Russia. After all Ukraine started the war by not listening to Russia in Trump’s view.

 

[mdwest]

The problem is “change” in this case is Zelenskyy accepting Russia’s terms that is being channeled through Trump.

Almost like saying there would be no domestic violence if women just would listen. That seems to be the position of Trump vis a vis Ukraine and Russia. After all Ukraine started the war by not listening to Russia in Trump’s view.

I’m not disagreeing..

Simply saying Z dug himself a hole.. and the only way he’s ever going to garner Trumps favor is to find a way to climb out of it..

Had he not dug his own hole, it is very likely he’d be getting very different treatment from Trump..

Trump shits on people he doesn’t like.. and Z has done several things very intentionally and purposefully that he knew wouldn’t make him liked by the Trump camp..

 

[bowjijohn]

‘We are 95% there

The only issues that remain are the trifling matters of territory and security guarantees

So that’s alright then Donald me old mate

No problem

Jesus!

You couldn’t make this clown up !!