Mind Your Manners!

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In the book, "Robert Churchill's Game Shooting" Mr. Churchill belabors not only safety concerns, but how those concerns interface with shooting etiquette as well. He for example mentions that a shotgun should not be carried either port arms across the body, nor cradled in one's elbow as every forward step points the muzzle down the line of advancing shooters in a drive. Point is well taken, and could be possibly be applied to the "African Carry" wherein the muzzle is pointed at the backside of the next in line!

Churchill also enumerates the rules of etiquette governing driven pheasants, etc. as they are experienced in England. On the continent, rules of etiquette are often very formalized, so that one knows how to dress, how to greet one another, how to set up to shoot driven boar, even which hand to drink from in celebration of the hunt. Every country has spoken or unspoken rules governing acceptable hunting practices. Some of them are clearly enumerated, many just are assumed. But no one has the right to operate on their assumptions when invited to shoot on another's property or estate. There, Churchill is dead on in stating that all hunters should behave AS THE LANDOWNER would have them behave. They should shoot what he says to shoot and abstain from shooting anything he wants left alone. This even includes non game species which may otherwise be universally considered vermin, or that are unprotected by the law. If he wants foxes left alone, do it. (on the other hand, if it is Europe and they want all foxes shot on sight, do that, even if you have no interest personally in hunting a fox) Particularly, do not shoot vermin or such if it spooks off the main quarry. If the landowner wants gates to be closed 100% of the time behind you or any member of your party, you should comply, and that goes double if a friend has secured a temporary invitation for you. The last thing you want to do is lose hunting privileges for the generous friend who worked you in, by violating landowner rules, thereby banishing both of you! The only rules you may change are to pick up trash that is not even your own, or shotgun hulls if the landowner wishes to keep things that clean. I have seen piles of hulls left unattended all over the place. Shame. But these are the easy rules to keep and to help enforce, and I sincerely hope everyone will cheerfully and gratefully comply with them.

The harder rules are personal in nature. They govern practices between people while all are sharing the same field. Sure, they might entail safety, but more often they ensure goodwill between hunters. I am talking about curbing the boorish behavior of people who are too competitive, too insensitive to the rights of others, and just plain selfish in demeanor. Rule #1 in my book--don't poach another man's birds! I attended a Dallas Safari Club dove shoot near Abilene. One gentleman, and I use that term in regard to him very loosely, had hunted there before and knew where the birds were apt to fly. In fairness to all, the personnel running the hunt allotted numbers to hunters and those dictated the order in which they would be placed in the field. Shooters were to be spaced not less than 50 yards down the line from each other, and indeed the hunters HAD already been placed, when Mr. Gamehog decided he could insert himself between two hunters, placing himself a mere 25 yards from each. He also began to shoot any birds flying straight in toward shooters to either side, in effect hogging all the shooting. And forget about letting them come in to a certain range--he shot them more than 40 yards out. When he went out to retrieve them, he shot any birds flying in any direction even further out. There were not as many birds that year, which made things even more difficult to brook. If I never see that blasted game hog again as long as I live, it will be too soon. The rules were set up to avoid such incidents. Unfortunately, he was close friends with the promoter. Disgraceful. So I hope I have given the reader some heads up as to how to ensure that all shooters have equal opportunity. Rules should be spelled out, and they were. They must also be adhered to if injured feeling are to be avoided. Churcill's book has a section on which birds are "your birds." In a word, don't shoot your neighbor's birds!

Don't "help someone" finish off a bird or a buck, nor any African game animal unless you are given permission in advance. This is particularly applicable when the arrangement is two hunters to one PH, a less advantageous arrangement than 1X1. If it is you turn it is your turn then only. It is not your turn if you see game first, or if the other person has shot the game but not finished it. No you don't get to chime in on a charge unless asked--the job of backing is the PH's--not yours. Stay out of it, even if you are willing to pay for the shot. Do not place a finisher on a downed elephant or any other game except your own, and only at the time of your turn. The PH may not even be given permission to back the other hunter, much less you. (though the PH has a legal prerogative to step in to protect life and limb at his discretion.) Also, do not presume to finish out another man's limit on birds, fish, or any game at all. And no, it does not count if you offer him possession of a bird you poached in the first place. He wanted to shoot it--not accept it as a gift in all likelihood. Whatever else you do, do not exceed limits and get others in trouble along with you. No one wants to be "accessory to your crime."

The reader can quickly discern that many of these rules are to prevent arguments and hard feelings, which are even more likely to surface when the quarry has an expensive trophy fee, or an object or gun has greater value. There are some things which are simply not done in polite company. Beyond game, things just not done include, correcting another man's child (though one might be excused for saying to the parent, in earshot of the child that something should be specifically corrected), correcting another man's hunting dog, and borrowing or abusing someone else's hunting equipment. I don't even like for anyone to touch my guns without asking. I hope I don't have to say that no one has any right to "break in" my new gun by putting a scratch on it so I don't afterward need to baby it. I hope I am never forced to ask for my bird which another man's dog retrieved and took to his master. And heaven help the one who would break the wrist of a shotgun by hitting a wounded rabbit over the head to save a shell. I expect any equipment I loan to be returned to me in good clean working order, and I believe that is reasonable. Honestly, I would try to do the same in turn.

I took two nephews on their first deer hunt. Their father was along. The fourteen year old used a nice Sako rifle which had been loaned to his father by a friend. The field leading to hunting grounds looked like a sea of mud, slowly flowing toward the border fence. A horrid mess to slog through. On the way back from killing his first doe, the boy lost his footing, no fault no foul, and as he tried to keep from falling slammed the Sako lengthwise into the mud. Still, a salvageable situation, though a daunting cleaning project. The only problem was, neither he nor his dad ever cleaned it. They returned it in that condition. That will have to change if they are to hunt where I hunt. To add insult to injury, I discovered--long after it was too late, that the father had probably fatally wounded a tremendous buck. It ran, and afterward they heard a strange, perhaps dying sound a good way off, but not in a straight line with the bucks' departure, so they thought it couldn't be his deer and they didn't go investigate. (nor did they enlist my help in recovery of what he described as "the biggest buck in the world") This happened on a property that had not been hunted in 30 years and probably did have a monster or two or three on it! The other lad, who shot his first buck which I had successfully rattled up, was carrying the Mannlicher Schoenauer I had loaned him. I casually said I would carry it for him a while, and I carried it for the duration of the trip, so it would not be slammed in the mud.

The last category of etiquette I will mention has to do with promoting "smooth sailing" in a hunting camp. This I learned from the late Don Henry of the Mannlicher Collector's Assoc. In Henry's camps, if anyone beat the newcomer to the dishwater to clean up after a shared meal, that person would never be invited to attend in the future. The rule was 100% cheerful cooperation, whether gathering wood, setting up tents, retrieving game, whatever came up. Fast forward 30 years--the last camp I shared, I literally caught every last fish eaten that night, I cleaned them all, cooked them, served them up and washed the dishes. I was complimented for it, but little did they realize that they would have been disqualified from "Henry's camp." It is good to have rules governing a clean, well run camp. Everything just goes so much smoother. Cuts down on complaining, too.

What kind of camp/hunt do you run?....Do you have rules?
 
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General safety rules, applied in various type of hunts.
Basics ones are explained by hunt master before the hunt.
It covers 99% of situations. Till special people join the hunt.

So, I had few bad experiences.
I had my blind maintained by me including my feeder. Once we got new member, and I was away on offshore job, he bullied himself to take my blind. So it stayed like that. As club management did not react, i resigned from membership.

Next thing is rule, very important: if you are invited to the hunt, you do not invite others to join you.
You accept invitation, and thats it.

So, I invited a good friend of mine to a pheasant hunt.
He then invited his wife.
Hmmm questionable. If I wanted that I would invite her. On the other hand, I cannot say no.
Respectfully, I do not consider her overly good with gun handling.
Ok. I let it pass. What else to say?
So, we went to hunt.

On arrival:
We discovered she forgot her gun papers back at home. 200 mile drive without papers, same miles to do later to drive back home.
If we were stopped and pulled over by cops along the way this would cause some problems.
Best case scenario, loosing few hours to clear the things out, getting late to hunt. Possible temporary confiscation of shotgun in question

Ok, so we went hunting. Total group of 6 hunters plus guide with dogs.
Shooting all day long, she kept missing.

Ok.
In the afternoon, as the lady was to my left, a bird flushed out in front of me.
She then turned, and shot a pheasant infront of my nose.
I could be sprayed with birdshot as well.
What to say? Complain to whom?

I never invited my friend again to hunt with me, being afraid of same scenario happening again.

The etiquette rules on the end of the day, are made for safety.
And the older I get, more particular I become who I hunt with.
Only trustworthy people.
 
i would not hunt with any loaded rifle being african carried behind me and didn,t on six hunting trips to africa.
Same - I am not a fan of the "African Carry". Being a certified range safety officer, that particular carry is not suitable for most field hunting situations. In my view, the only hunter who can safely use the African Carry in the field is the PH who is at the head of the column and if his tracker is out in front, even the PH should use some other method.

My preference when in a group with rifles loaded is to use the Rhodesian Carry (muzzle down, rifle slung onto weakside shoulder). It is safer, and faster to bring the rifle to bear and more comfortable. I will not allow aesthetics to dictate how loaded firearms should be transported in the field. The muzzles should "Never" be allowed to sweep another person, when loaded or unloaded for any reason - Period.

I get it that when on a miles long stalk for Elephant or other game while lugging a 11-12lb double rifle for hours on end, that at times, it might be necessary to place the rifle upon one's shoulder to rest another arm for a while. If you can do that and not point your rifle at me or anyone else, then fine... go ahead.

But, another thing I avoid at all times is to handle a blued steel rifle by the barrel or other of the metal parts in the field. I am hot, often sweating and that salty moisture will rust the finish of a fine blued rifle in no time and I just do not do it. Sure, the PH's rifle that has been used for decades, possibly handed down from father or grandfather to son is a tool that is well worn and bears a well earned patina of worn steel missing much of its original bluing. That is his tool. Mine will be handed down in far better condition. I do own a few carbon sleeved bbl, ceracoated, stainless or Titanium rifles in synthetic stocks which are more or less immune from this sort of abuse as well as rain, snow and other moisture. I have them for such wet weather hunting so, the pretty Belgian Brownings or Mausers and Enfields will not need to be exposed to weather any more than necessary.

My first Safari, I carried a matched pair of FN Belgian Browning Hi-Power rifles in 308 and 375HH. The little 308 is a particularly fancy Medallion Grade piece that is really too pretty to hunt with. One day while hunting Gemsbok, we experienced rain in the field. I nearly held my breath as the droplets fell onto my little rifle. But, it only rained for about 3 seconds and the water evaporated in minutes leaving it dry once more. Nonetheless, it took it to my cabin at the end of the day and dusted off the bolt and action and wiped down the entire rifle with a cotton cloth sprayed with rust preventative. In Africa, it is the dust that is the main enemy of rifle function and it is just prudent to clean them daily to insure that they work as they should when needed.

Photo below is of the FN Browning 1963 vintage Medallion Grade 308 rifle topped with equally vintage B&L Balvar 2.5-8x optic posed with a nice Limpopo Impala, which was the last animal it took. One shot at 180y. This rifle has a perfect record of one shot kills since I have owned it. It has since retired from regular hunting duty and is displayed with pride in my trophy room. I hope to teach my little grandson to hunt with it one day so he too may carry on our families hunter traditions.

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I no longer belong to any clubs or camps but my personal rules are.
I’ll shoot my own birds
I don’t party hunt limits
If I lose a bird it goes on my limit
I don’t like it when someone shows up on a dove field with an undisciplined dog, I don’t like having to retrieve a bird from the dogs owner. When I had Chesapeakes they stayed at heel until sent for a bird and God help the dog of another if their dog got there at the same time.
I’ve pretty much seen and hunted with variations of your post and think most are spot on.
One of the rules I would break was when guiding waterfowl hunters. When I called the shot I would watch for birds that were hit and do my best to finish them off. It would save lots of time and effort for me and my dog. He could run around in that muddy south Louisiana soup me not so much, not to mention saving hunting time as at the camp I was working at didn’t allow hunters to shoot without a guide in the blind. This area had a notorious Federal game Warden that didnt like it if you didn’t retrieve downed birds right away.
 
Might as well include BOATING etiquette as well.
Don't ask me to take the boat back in because the fish didn't bite in 30. minutes...not going to happen. No, we don't take the boat way back in from offshore because your wife got seasick after several of us paid a lot of money to go! Once, in Siberia, I was invited to fish for pike. A fellow pastor invited himself to go and when we had driven 1 1/2 hours to get to the lake and were five miles away, he said he was sick and had to be taken back! The Russian didn't want to offend him and returned. I could have brained the cad. No. Just no.

Maybe someone will chime in on boat operations, especially on Memorial Day....
 
if you watch the tv hunting shows in africa you will see alot of it(so called african carrying of rifles). i have seen large caliber double rifles being loaded and carried that way by the PH and hunters in single file in tight cover. you would have to be superman to take a hit in the back at mere feet to survive. why risk it?
 
Two hours from my home is a 1000 yard professional shooting range. Lots of rules and courtesy manners to follow.
About a month ago I went there-three older guys shooting on the long range section. They had guns and gear set Up on every single station. So I dropped down to the 600 yard course which runs parallel to the 1000 yard course but has a shorter backstop. At one point one of the guys said he was cleaning to leave and turned on the “no shooting light.” I walked down to 600 and gathered my garbage. About that time I heard a gunshot. Then another. It occurred to me that the 1000 yard guys are shooting again and I can see the light had been turned off. I was running and yelling toward them and they fired again.
I finally got close enough they caught on. Two old duffers that “just didn’t see you” even though I was down range and in plain sight. There was much discussion about the “ no shooting” light and bells.
Honestly had they been two decades closer to my age there would have been a fight. I cleaned up my stuff and left, stopping at the range house to report the episode to the master in charge. He was more angry than I was. I left without waiting to see how the episode was handled. Sad how some people can not see past the end of their own noses, nonetheless where their muzzles are pointed.
 
I primarily hunt alone so I make my own rules. Mostly. Last week I was hunting with my brother. He notices a coyote trotting along the fence seventy yards away. I said, "Shoot it, Mike." "Why?" BOOM! I shot it. "Because Fred [the landowner] wants them shot." Anyway, Mike's hip was acting up so we were done hunting for the day.
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Next day we are hunting Fred's son's property up near the Canadian border. A gate next to the corral was down and I could see cattle were on the other side and winter wheat on our side. Definitely cows are not supposed to be in winter wheat!. "Some shithead didn't close the gate. I better do it." The shitheads were the Mexican fencing crew who built the gate last summer. Someone pounded a staple in too far and cracked/broke the wire holding an end post. I got my leather gloves and went to work remaking the retaining loop.
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Talked to the landowner that night and told him someone needed to look after my temporary fix. Showed him the photo. He was very appreciative ... but not enough to offer to let me hunt pheasants on his low land. Sigh! :D Anyway, I can shoot all I want on his dad's next door public hunting property.
 
Might as well include BOATING etiquette as well.
Don't ask me to take the boat back in because the fish didn't bite in 30. minutes...not going to happen. No, we don't take the boat way back in from offshore because your wife got seasick after several of us paid a lot of money to go! Once, in Siberia, I was invited to fish for pike. A fellow pastor invited himself to go and when we had driven 1 1/2 hours to get to the lake and were five miles away, he said he was sick and had to be taken back! The Russian didn't want to offend him and returned. I could have brained the cad. No. Just no.

Maybe someone will chime in on boat operations, especially on Memorial Day....
Oh, there is nothing as much fun as watching the weekend warriors coming in to the dock on Sunday PM. Some of the antics they go through "trying" to get boats back on trailers is utterly amazing. I've seen people back trucks down and then forget to set the brake resulting in a drowned truck.
Coming in too fast and running a boat right over the front of the trailer and into the back of the truck.
Coming in at an angle and getting the boat stuck crosswise on the trailer.
Pulling out before tying the boat down and leaving it floating free.
Forgetting to raise the outdrive and scraping it across the ramp
And the list is endless.
 
People who shoot at low birds in dove fields, people who skyblast in the duck blind.

A real pet peeve of mine and something that I consider poor field etiquette are poorly trained or poorly handled dogs.
Dogs that aren't steady, dogs that break on shot, dogs that retrieve other hunters birds.

Back when I was in college in the early 90's I had a great black female out of Retriever Hall of Fame FC/AFC Snake Eyes Double or Nothing. She was not the best bitch that I've ever owned but she was a damned fine gundog with one hell of a nose. Nice little 55lb easy going dog with an off switch named Maggie.i went to a dove shoot where the field was around 250 yards wide. I noticed a Boykin on the other side with breaking and picking up other guys birds. I shoot my first bird and it sails down close to the middle of the field, the Boykin had already broke, I release Maggie and the race is on. Maggie wins the race to the bird, scoops it and begins her return.

The damned Boykin, a male starts try to steal the bird, biting at her muzzle and neck. Maggie finally had enough, she spit the bird out, turned and bit the hell out the Boykin dead on his ass. He ran squealing to his owner on the other side of the field. Maggie picks up her bird trots in with her head held high, comes to heal and gives up her bird.

I look across the field and see a cloud of dust from spinning truck tires. This jackass drives to me and proceeds to tell me that I need to control my dog. We are about to come to blows when the Hunt master rolls up and chastises the Boykins owner informing him that this is the third shoot where his dog caused issues and that he needs to leave.

Meanwhile the Boykin was on the other side of the field running around and shitting all-over the place. He left and I shot my daily possession limit of birds.
 
The past few years here in the South there has been an unwritten and sometimes written rule on deer properties.

If you see a hog or Coyote you shoot it, no matter whether it ruins your hunt or not.

That is my personal rule wherever I am..

If I see a pig or a predator (coyote, bobcat, etc), it is now a pig or predator hunt…

The deer will be safe for a few more hours
 
Same - I am not a fan of the "African Carry". Being a certified range safety officer, that particular carry is not suitable for most field hunting situations. In my view, the only hunter who can safely use the African Carry in the field is the PH who is at the head of the column and if his tracker is out in front, even the PH should use some other method.

My preference when in a group with rifles loaded is to use the Rhodesian Carry (muzzle down, rifle slung onto weakside shoulder). It is safer, and faster to bring the rifle to bear and more comfortable. I will not allow aesthetics to dictate how loaded firearms should be transported in the field. The muzzles should "Never" be allowed to sweep another person, when loaded or unloaded for any reason - Period.



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Great shot. And without transgressing, this is exactly why the Krieghoff Big Five cocked-safety setup is so respected—it stays safe regardless of how you carry it.
 
People who shoot at low birds in dove fields, people who skyblast in the duck blind.

A real pet peeve of mine and something that I consider poor field etiquette are poorly trained or poorly handled dogs.
Dogs that aren't steady, dogs that break on shot, dogs that retrieve other hunters birds.

Back when I was in college in the early 90's I had a great black female out of Retriever Hall of Fame FC/AFC Snake Eyes Double or Nothing. She was not the best bitch that I've ever owned but she was a damned fine gundog with one hell of a nose. Nice little 55lb easy going dog with an off switch named Maggie.i went to a dove shoot where the field was around 250 yards wide. I noticed a Boykin on the other side with breaking and picking up other guys birds. I shoot my first bird and it sails down close to the middle of the field, the Boykin had already broke, I release Maggie and the race is on. Maggie wins the race to the bird, scoops it and begins her return.

The damned Boykin, a male starts try to steal the bird, biting at her muzzle and neck. Maggie finally had enough, she spit the bird out, turned and bit the hell out the Boykin dead on his ass. He ran squealing to his owner on the other side of the field. Maggie picks up her bird trots in with her head held high, comes to heal and gives up her bird.

I look across the field and see a cloud of dust from spinning truck tires. This jackass drives to me and proceeds to tell me that I need to control my dog. We are about to come to blows when the Hunt master rolls up and chastises the Boykins owner informing him that this is the third shoot where his dog caused issues and that he needs to leave.

Meanwhile the Boykin was on the other side of the field running around and shitting all-over the place. He left and I shot my daily possession limit of birds.
You wouldn't like hunting around me. My dogs have always broke on shot and I'm fine with it. Crippled pheasants (and even little Huns!) can run like hell and the quicker my dogs are on them the better the chance the birds will end up in the bag. Two days ago I watched a downed rooster outrun both my dogs across a big close cut hayfield. I knew it would be trouble if he got to the yellow clover on the other side. There the bugger got through the hogwire fence on railroad right of way. And four lane highway just beyond the tracks. No further pursuit.

If my dogs pick up someone else's bird, it will be set aside for them to come pick up at end of shooting. Someone wants to keep my bird, I'm very fine with that. Means they will be done hunting quicker and I'll be in the field longer. Win win situation. "Hey, buddy, you really must like gutting birds. Knock yourself out." Har har. Almost had a fight once when the other guy wouldn't take the honker he knocked down that my Lab Pearl picked up (and it was banded!). She got cranky and snapped at his dog while we were discussing it. Caught us both by surprise and he gave her the boot then grabbed the goose and rushed off angry. I was thoroughly embarrassed. He reacted just as I would have. But I thought he was going to take a swing at me. Guess I would have let him hit me too. What can you do? I was set up in the field first and they came later and set up fairly close in the next field. Theirs was the better setup and geese from the river came to it over me. I passed on everything till they shot. All was well till I tried to give him back his bird. Maybe they were filled up?

Hunting the merry band situation is not for me. And I certainly do not care enough about eating doves to get upset if someone else takes my birds. Not the greatest table fare. Fortunately, I hunt places and times where I'm virtually alone. I do what I want. Not there for the rule-bound show. I've owned some truly great dogs over the years and a couple probably could have been field trial champions ... but that crowd absolutely is not for me! My dogs come when they're signaled and go where they're signaled and they retrieve my birds. Not always the prettiest show but they always get the job done (if it can be done). An upland aficionado might turn up his nose at my current Lab taking the indirect route on a retrieve ("Hey, look at me!") or her running around the truck three times barking her head off every time I unload her to go hunting (drives me nuts but hopeless trying to break her of it). But watch her work those birds! Wow! Her points blow away anything I've seen hunting behind true pointing dogs. And she works close so I can enjoy watching her work ... without binoculars. The dog hunts like a cat (weird for a flushing breed) and false points are almost nonexistant. When her nose goes up in the air, my safety goes off. Then she locks up. If it's a rooster, it's right there ... and it's gonna be dead. Yeah, the O/U aficionado may think this dog is a mess when she gets out of the truck. But if there's birds in the area, he'll change his tune quickly. Or maybe showmanship means more to him than shooting birds and watching dogs have fun. I don't hunt with guys like that. Actually, I almost never hunt with anyone. Seven weeks this year hunting birds every day but two and not once with anyone else but my dogs.
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@Ontario Hunter , I for one don’t mind dogs breaking on upland birds especially pheasants for the reasons you gave.

But in a structured environment like waterfowling
Over decoys a breaking dog can be dangerous. More than once I’ve seen undisciplined dogs knock people over , luckily no one was hurt.
 
@Ontario Hunter , I for one don’t mind dogs breaking on upland birds especially pheasants for the reasons you gave.

But in a structured environment like waterfowling
Over decoys a breaking dog can be dangerous. More than once I’ve seen undisciplined dogs knock people over , luckily no one was hurt.
I have hunted the merry bad waterfowling gig with my dogs and more fearful for their safety than the safety of guys I was with. Pearl was once on her way out to run down a crippled honker and the guy who was with me took a shot at it. Idiot blew some holes in a couple of my shell decoys. Luckily didn't hit my dog. When I went on my one and only guided goose hunt in Saskatchewan, I left my dogs in the Jimmy. One of the other guys showed up with a bipolar Chesapeake and I didn't trust it around me, let alone another dog. So much can go wrong group hunting. It may be "dangerous" hunting alone (especially in this morning's blizzard) but the "risk" is worth it to me. Got a bit concerned when I discovered I'd forgot my cell phone at the trailer. Ah, what the hell. I hunted alone without one for almost forty years. Guess I can do it again. And I did but by the time I was back to the vehicle it became clear enough I wasn't forty years younger. :D
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(Sorry, I'm not putting my boots on just to take a picture outside. 19° and still snowing)
 
@Ontario Hunter , I for one don’t mind dogs breaking on upland birds especially pheasants for the reasons you gave.

But in a structured environment like waterfowling
Over decoys a breaking dog can be dangerous. More than once I’ve seen undisciplined dogs knock people over , luckily no one was hurt.

Yep
 
Ontario, I've had my dogs retrieve plenty of birds for other people if we were in the blind together.

A big dove shoot where you might have 50- 75 or more different people hunting a large field is a completely different story though. Imagine that bipolar chessie running around a field with 30 other dogs who are disciplined and there to work.

The flushing game is completely different.

If a dog isn't steady, it won't be able to properly mark a triple or quad and birds will be lost. If a dog isn't steady then damn sure won't be able to handle on a blind retrieve. That's why it's a critical part of the trial and hunt test games. In certain stakes and tests, dogs are also required to perform an honor where they sit quietly and patiently while another dog works in front of them. Two dogs that are disciplined enough to work together and take turns in a high volume hunting situation with multiple shooters in the blind is truly a thing of beauty to watch.
 

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