@TOBY458 I certainly have considered them, especially after seeing your 404. The only thing putting me off the Heym is the price, they seem to be significantly higher in price here in Australia than the other brands mentioned.Have you ever considered a Heym Express Martini? They are built as well or better than any bolt gun out there. They are also available in 450 Rigby. I have one in 404 Jeffery. It's an extremely functional work of art.