Mark Sullivan the Expose’

An ethical hunter who actually cares about the animals he hunts will do everything in his/her power to end the animals suffering in as quick a manner as possible. What is possible obviously varies depending on method of take. How long it may take also depends on whether or not you can actually see the animal or not. If you can see the animal and have a shot you have no excuse for prolonging it.

Watch the first scene of this video (the comment section of which is hilariously turned off). He has time to get the client a shot and yet chooses to coax an already wounded buff into a charge.
@Wishfulthinker580 - I had Not seen that video before, watched it and appreciate you attaching it to your post. Although there were only short “snips” shown vs the entire hunt….that was some damn fine shooting. I know that I would not be able to shoot that well “Consistently” it those situations, not sure what led up to those shots but the shooting was Impressive and the kills “Quick”.
Thank You for posting. Opinions differ and I respect that, everyone on AH shares more in common then differences, an occasional “Family squabble” is to be expected.
 
These old videos are not shedding any new light or somehow bringing some new clarity into the controversy. MS has been very clear about his philosophy at least in his early videos and I’m paraphrasing: MS is clearly stating he’s giving the buffalo and/or hippo a fighting chance to get even, get revenge or even the playing field (however you want to define it) rather than kill it from a safer distance. Although he has the weapon and the skill to successfully conclude this, he’s increasing the odds in the animals favor. Perhaps this resonates more to the non hunter lending a sense of fairness to their way of thinking.

I have not read one AH member who agrees with or supports this style or type of hunting and not one PH who also engages or supports this type of hunting. Whether it is ethical or not, in MS mind which he has clearly conveyed, he’s giving the animal a fighting chance to get even. He clearly feels this is ethical while the vast majority of us do not although I suspect a non hunter may be inclined to side with MS. Honestly, I just don’t see any controversy because nobody is supporting this while many like MS the man and his skill displayed. MS has stated his philosophy, gained some notoriety and perhaps some good income from the videos. After MS is gone it will be perhaps an interesting foot note. Nobody else is picking up the mantle to continue this, it’ll end with him.

Much of this boils down to those who either have a friendship with him, like or admire him although may not endorse his style of hunting and those that can’t understand this viewpoint and dislike or profoundly disagree with him so much that they cannot understand how others may feel this way.
 
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Approaching a dangerous game animal to allow it to attack may be just be the most "fair" form of dangerous game hunting.

The main allure of hunting "dangerous game" is the "danger" that the hunter may become the quarry.
Denying this would be dishonest.

For certain dangerous game animals such a lion, leopard or tiger, there is also no culinary value in hunting them so it is either to protect (people, livestock, or their own population) or it is sport.

To the extent that this hunting is done for sport, providing your "opponent" a chance at the same outcome using their "weapons" is as "fair" or "even" as it could reasonably get (unless you want to test the ridiculous and go against an dangerous animal using only your human teeth and nails).

Of course, there is going to be an adrenaline rush - all dangerous game hunting is an adrenaline rush for the same reason: that the hunter risks being injured or killed.

Mark Sullivan enhances this risk a step further than many hunters would. However, all dangerous game hunters are enhancing the risks a step further than non-dangerous game hunters would. Correspondigly, all hunters are taking things a step further than non-hunters would, etc.

Not wanting to do enhance the risk is fine, but speaking out against it (so long as wounding the animal is unintentional) ends up landing on the "slippery slope" toward the rationale of the anti-hunters.

To reiterate, I don't support or respect intentionally wounding an animal to later provoke a charge, but it does not seem that is what Mark Sullivan does. It appears that when a dangerous game animal is unintentionally wounded, he approaches it and allows it to either run or charge. The client and support crew know this and seem to be there willingly.

I believe it was @Hunter-Habib who mentioned that none of his clients have ever been injured over his 35-year career as a PH. That says something about the true risk involved in his approach, as well as his skill with his rifle.

I give him proper respect for both!
 
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Here’s a brown bear shot by Mark with his .375 Holland & Holland Magnum Lon Paul custom piece (built on a pre ‘64 Winchester Model 70 action), loaded with 270Gr Barnes TSX custom loads. He hunted this fellow with a mutual friend of ours whom I know for upwards of 25 years. Bear took one Barnes TSX behind the shoulder and went down. No charges.

Knowing him as I do, it’s hardly surprising that he would say something along the lines of “Let’s get a brown bear to charge”. But out of all of the brown bears Mark’s shot over the years, only one actually had to be shot during a charge. And that genuinely wasn’t Mark’s fault.
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During the COVID Alaska nonresident hunting closure in May 2020, I was unable to guide brown bear hunters on the Alaskan Peninsula. Instead, I was invited up to help a longtime friend and colleague, whom I had guided for, Scott N., get a bear for himself in SE Alaska on Chichagof Island, one of the famous ABC Islands for brown bears (Admiralty, Baranof and Chichagof). The bears in SE Alaska don’t get quite as big as the bears on the Alaskan Peninsula but it is a great hunt. Scott N. is retired now from guiding and sold his business to another outfitter I have worked for, Keegan McCarthy.

Scott N. had not shot a bear for himself since 1987 so he invited me up to help him get one since we had nothing else to do. I got permission from the Governor (a hunter who has been in our camp) and the Alaska Department of Health to quarantine on Scott’s boat for 14 days as long as I went straight from the airport to the boat. We took Scott’s boat from Petersburg all the way up to a honey hole great spot we knew about on Chichagof Island and I spotted this great bear that we took as we were surrounded by several bears.

It was a bit unnerving to be amongst several bears at close quarters, especially because Scott was horribly attacked and mauled by a wounded brown bear that had been shot twice with a 375 H&H Mag by Scott’s client and once by Scott with his Sako 416 Rem Mag. Scott followed the bear into the forest and then got another shot at 10 yards into the charging wounded bear before it mauled him. The Sako’s bolt malfunctioned and Scott couldn’t cycle another round. He kept the bear away from his head and face by shoving the rifle into the bear’s mouth. The bear tore at his hands, thighs and feet but never got his head. Scott later had several surgeries to repair his hands and a foot that had been shredded. He is fully recovered and now runs a charter flight service out of Petersburg with his Beaver aircraft. I tell this story because no person in his right mind should ever think or suggest provoking a charge from a wounded brown bear. To say something to that effect is just ignorance and braggadocio bravado. I’ve been in this industry the exact same time as Mark but I did grow up hunting and my grandfather and father taught me to have respect for animals and to dispatch wounded animals at first opportunity. Mark missed those lessons and his first hunt ever was in Tanzania.
 
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During the COVID Alaska nonresident hunting closure in May 2020, I was unable to guide brown bear hunters on the Alaskan Peninsula. Instead, I was invited up to help a longtime friend and colleague, whom I had guided for, Scott N., get a bear for himself in SE Alaska on Chichagof Island, one of the famous ABC Islands for brown bears (Admiralty, Baranof and Chichagof). The bears in SE Alaska don’t get quite as big as the bears on the Alaskan Peninsula but it is a great hunt. Scott N. is retired now from guiding and sold his business to another outfitter I have worked for, Keegan McCarthy.

Scott N. had not shot a bear for himself since 1987 so he invited me up to help him get one since we had nothing else to do. I got permission from the Governor (a hunter who has been in our camp) and the Alaska Department of Health to quarantine on Scott’s boat for 14 days as long as I went straight from the airport to the boat. We took Scott’s boat from Petersburg all the way up to a honey hole great spot we knew about on Chichagof Island and I spotted this great bear that we took as we were surrounded by several bears.

It was a bit unnerving to be amongst several bears at close quarters, especially because Scott was horribly attacked and mauled by a wounded brown bear that had been shot twice with a 375 H&H Mag by Scott’s client and once by Scott with his Sako 416 Rem Mag. Scott followed the bear into the forest and then got another shot at 10 yards into the charging wounded bear before it mauled him. The Sako’s bolt malfunctioned and Scott couldn’t cycle another round. He kept the bear away from his head and face by shoving the rifle into the bear’s mouth. The bear tore at his hands, thighs and feet but never got his head. Scott later had several surgeries to repair his hands and a foot that had been shredded. He is fully recovered and now runs a charter flight service out of Petersburg with his Beaver aircraft. I tell this story because no person in his right mind should ever think or suggest provoking a charge from a wounded brown bear. To say something to that effect is just ignorance and braggadocio bravado. I’ve been in this industry the exact same time as Mark but I did grow up hunting and my grandfather and father taught me to have respect for animals and to dispatch wounded animals at first opportunity. Mark missed those lessons and his first hunt ever was in Tanzania.
Thanks for sharing I remember reading about this I believe around the time I either went or was preparing for my Alaskan grizzly hunt in 2004, although I could be wrong, so long ago. If my memory is correct, he was using a Sako TRGS 416 Rem Mag, a push feed now discontinued and tracked the wounded brown bear alone after having been wounded by his client, brave man indeed, and short stroked it after getting a shot into the bear before it mauled him. I was glad to hear he recovered. I’m pretty sure this was it as not many Alaskan guides carried a Sako 416 Rem.

I helped my guide skin my grizzly, took about 2 hours, sound about right?
 
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During the COVID Alaska nonresident hunting closure in May 2020, I was unable to guide brown bear hunters on the Alaskan Peninsula. Instead, I was invited up to help a longtime friend and colleague, whom I had guided for, Scott N., get a bear for himself in SE Alaska on Chichagof Island, one of the famous ABC Islands for brown bears (Admiralty, Baranof and Chichagof). The bears in SE Alaska don’t get quite as big as the bears on the Alaskan Peninsula but it is a great hunt. Scott N. is retired now from guiding and sold his business to another outfitter I have worked for, Keegan McCarthy.

Scott N. had not shot a bear for himself since 1987 so he invited me up to help him get one since we had nothing else to do. I got permission from the Governor (a hunter who has been in our camp) and the Alaska Department of Health to quarantine on Scott’s boat for 14 days as long as I went straight from the airport to the boat. We took Scott’s boat from Petersburg all the way up to a honey hole great spot we knew about on Chichagof Island and I spotted this great bear that we took as we were surrounded by several bears.

It was a bit unnerving to be amongst several bears at close quarters, especially because Scott was horribly attacked and mauled by a wounded brown bear that had been shot twice with a 375 H&H Mag by Scott’s client and once by Scott with his Sako 416 Rem Mag. Scott followed the bear into the forest and then got another shot at 10 yards into the charging wounded bear before it mauled him. The Sako’s bolt malfunctioned and Scott couldn’t cycle another round. He kept the bear away from his head and face by shoving the rifle into the bear’s mouth. The bear tore at his hands, thighs and feet but never got his head. Scott later had several surgeries to repair his hands and a foot that had been shredded. He is fully recovered and now runs a charter flight service out of Petersburg with his Beaver aircraft. I tell this story because no person in his right mind should ever think or suggest provoking a charge from a wounded brown bear. To say something to that effect is just ignorance and braggadocio bravado. I’ve been in this industry the exact same time as Mark but I did grow up hunting and my grandfather and father taught me to have respect for animals and to dispatch wounded animals at first opportunity. Mark missed those lessons and his first hunt ever was in Tanzania.
Well said.

I started in the business packing for Rocky Morgan of Kodiak fame. Rocky was a wild one. Partied hard and lived fast. But in the bush took no chances that weren’t necessary, never made claims he couldn’t back up and never exaggerated.

Rock got F-ed up by a bear too. A black bear. But, that’s his story to tell, not mine.
 
An ethical hunter who actually cares about the animals he hunts will do everything in his/her power to end the animals suffering in as quick a manner as possible. What is possible obviously varies depending on method of take. How long it may take also depends on whether or not you can actually see the animal or not. If you can see the animal and have a shot you have no excuse for prolonging it.

Watch the first scene of this video (the comment section of which is hilariously turned off). He has time to get the client a shot and yet chooses to coax an already wounded buff into a charge.
I don’t believe the two videos I have, have anything like this, although it been a while since I have seen them.

Not sure if I fully agree with you on everything, but I do see what you mean.
 
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I sound to me like you and others have double standards with your ethics and in regards to MS. That’s what I trying to get to.

I don’t believe the two videos I have, have anything like this, although it been a while since I have seen them.

Not sure if I fully agree with you on everything, but I do see what you mean.
No double standard. Case by case basis. Depends on method of take and whether or not you can see the animal or not. It’s pretty cut and dry.

That first scene in that video I posted is a prime example of what I’m talking about. Instead of putting that bull down as soon as the opportunity arose he decided to prolong the suffering for no other reason than to provoke a charge. There was absolutely no excuse for that. If you can see the animal and have a shot it’s a hunters obligation to end it then and there.

I won’t skin or filet a live fish by the way. One time I saw a guy cut the tails off of some live catfish to let them bleed out. That stuck with me. I’m personally not big on poking things with sticks or using marginal equipment either.
 
You are attempting to broaden the conversation in order to deflect away from the topic. I’m not saying your questions don’t have merit. It’s just that you should probably start your own thread(s) on those topics. You most definitely are engaging in whataboutism. This thread is about MS. Anyone who tries to change the subject or deflect has already lost.
My above double standard comment got posted before I see the video.

I was attempting to establish what you or anyone else participating in this thread constitute for ethics and what your moral compass is based off of by asking these questions. So yes the questions are valid in this discussion, they are valid to MS issues of ethics and to everyone responding and casting judgement one way or the other.

I appreciate you posting a video that I have never seen, and as I have said I agree but not fully with your opinions and views. I will leave it there for now.
 
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During the COVID Alaska nonresident hunting closure in May 2020, I was unable to guide brown bear hunters on the Alaskan Peninsula. Instead, I was invited up to help a longtime friend and colleague, whom I had guided for, Scott N., get a bear for himself in SE Alaska on Chichagof Island, one of the famous ABC Islands for brown bears (Admiralty, Baranof and Chichagof). The bears in SE Alaska don’t get quite as big as the bears on the Alaskan Peninsula but it is a great hunt. Scott N. is retired now from guiding and sold his business to another outfitter I have worked for, Keegan McCarthy.

Scott N. had not shot a bear for himself since 1987 so he invited me up to help him get one since we had nothing else to do. I got permission from the Governor (a hunter who has been in our camp) and the Alaska Department of Health to quarantine on Scott’s boat for 14 days as long as I went straight from the airport to the boat. We took Scott’s boat from Petersburg all the way up to a honey hole great spot we knew about on Chichagof Island and I spotted this great bear that we took as we were surrounded by several bears.

It was a bit unnerving to be amongst several bears at close quarters, especially because Scott was horribly attacked and mauled by a wounded brown bear that had been shot twice with a 375 H&H Mag by Scott’s client and once by Scott with his Sako 416 Rem Mag. Scott followed the bear into the forest and then got another shot at 10 yards into the charging wounded bear before it mauled him. The Sako’s bolt malfunctioned and Scott couldn’t cycle another round. He kept the bear away from his head and face by shoving the rifle into the bear’s mouth. The bear tore at his hands, thighs and feet but never got his head. Scott later had several surgeries to repair his hands and a foot that had been shredded. He is fully recovered and now runs a charter flight service out of Petersburg with his Beaver aircraft. I tell this story because no person in his right mind should ever think or suggest provoking a charge from a wounded brown bear. To say something to that effect is just ignorance and braggadocio bravado. I’ve been in this industry the exact same time as Mark but I did grow up hunting and my grandfather and father taught me to have respect for animals and to dispatch wounded animals at first opportunity. Mark missed those lessons and his first hunt ever was in Tanzania.
@Scott CWO

I’ve read your post thoroughly (and judging by the fact that you “Liked” them, I’m guessing that you also read mine). Your dislike towards Mark appears to mostly stem from three things (if I’m not mistaken):
1) You don’t like the way he talks, which you (and many others) interpret as bragging.
2) You consider that he takes far too much time in between shots to give the game a quick death humanely.
3) You believe that he deliberately shoots his client’s game.

Okay.
In regards to point 1, there’s nothing that I can or should say which can counter this. I myself (in a previous post on this very thread) stated that I don’t necessarily agree with everything he says (that would be the understatement of the year).

In regards to point 2, again there’s nothing which I can or should say which can counter this. A hunter can always look at another hunter’s video and consider that far too much time was wasted between shots. Being subjected to individual morality based scrutiny comes with the territory of making hunting videos.

But in regards to point 3, I’m afraid that my way of looking at things is not the same as yours. Mark’s clients are all wealthy people (many of whom know each other). And they don’t accumulate that kind of money by being stupid. If he was actually making a habit of shooting client’s game in situations where THE CLIENTS THEMSELVES considered it to be unnecessary… then, he soon wouldn’t be able to get new clients the way that he does. Out of ALL of Mark’s actual clients (both current & former) whom I’ve interacted with over the years (and I’m fortunate enough to be close to three of them), not a single one of them ever accused him of unnecessarily shooting their game. Not a single one.

Okay, I’ll share one piece of confidential information about one of the clients (who I unfortunately can’t share the name of for obvious reasons). There was one client (that I know of) who just wanted a hippopotamus. He initially did try to hunt the hippopotamus himself (and recalls that Mark genuinely did try his best to get the client to bag the game by himself). But for certain physical limitations, he just couldn’t . Finally, Mark did shoot that hippopotamus for him (at the client’s consent). Some portions of that hunt appeared in one of Mark’s 1990s videos. That client is actually a member of these forums, although he specifically asked that I leave his name out of this.

You do have many solid reasons for disliking Mark. I can’t deny or disprove that. But I will conclude my post with two points:
1) Like him or hate him, he (as per HIS OWN WORDS) never shot ANY game game animal specifically with the intention to wound them in order to provoke a charge. As his critic, you might not believe his claim.. As his friend, I do. Yes, he provoked a few charges by other means (as per his own admission) and I suppose that you (and several other fellow hunters) might still consider that to be unethical. But he never wounded anything in order to instigate a charge.

2) Regardless of what he SAID/SAYS about provoking bear charges, the fact of the matter is that out of all the bears he’s shot in his life so far (I can get you the exact number if you wish)… only ONE was actually ever shot during a charge. And that one genuinely wasn’t Mark’s fault (as corroborated by a mutual friend of ours who was with him).

Is this enough to get you to develop a less negative opinion of Mark ? Probably not. And I don’t expect it to either. But just like it’s your moral duty to call out potentially unethical sporting behavior by other hunters, it’s also my moral duty to lend any insight regarding Mark which might make his critics see him in a more three dimensional light. Not necessarily a more positive light. But a more three dimensional light.
 
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I don’t know if cleaning something alive is common . Or if bleading would count as cleaning.
But most shark fishermen that plan on eating it that I have seen bleed them out. Most people that I have seen catch stingrays cut the tail off before anything else.
And ever at fresh oysters or clams or scallops? There alive when you eat them.

Ever boiled a crab or lobster or mud bug?
Thread drift warning!: Who in the hell skins anything alive? I’ve never heard of this practice. Is this common?
 
@Scott CWO

I’ve read your post thoroughly (and judging by the fact that you “Liked” them, I’m guessing that you also read mine). Your dislike towards Mark appears to mostly stem from three things (if I’m not mistaken):
1) You don’t like the way he talks, which you (and many others) interpret as bragging.
2) You consider that he takes far too much time in between shots to give the game a quick death humanely.
3) You believe that he deliberately shoots his client’s game.

Okay.
In regards to point 1, there’s nothing that I can or should say which can counter this. I myself (in a previous post on this very thread) stated that I don’t necessarily agree with everything he says (that would be the understatement of the year).

In regards to point 2, again there’s nothing which I can or should say which can counter this. A hunter can always look at another hunter’s video and consider that far too much time was wasted between shots. Being subjected to individual morality based scrutiny comes with the territory of making hunting videos.

But in regards to point 3, I’m afraid that my way of looking at things is not the same as yours. Mark’s clients are all wealthy people (many of whom know each other). And they don’t accumulate that kind of money by being stupid. If he was actually making a habit of shooting client’s game in situations where THE CLIENTS THEMSELVES considered it to be unnecessary… then, he soon wouldn’t be able to get new clients the way that he does. Out of ALL of Mark’s actual clients (both current & former) whom I’ve interacted with over the years (and I’m fortunate enough to be close to three of them), not a single one of them ever accused him of unnecessarily shooting their game. Not a single one.

Okay, I’ll share one piece of confidential information about one of the clients (who I unfortunately can’t share the name of for obvious reasons). There was one client (that I know of) who just wanted a hippopotamus. He initially did try to hunt the hippopotamus himself (and recalls that Mark genuinely did try his best to get the client to bag the game by himself). But for certain physical limitations, he just couldn’t . Finally, Mark did shoot that hippopotamus for him (at the client’s consent). Some portions of that hunt appeared in one of Mark’s 1990s videos. That client is actually a member of these forums, although he specifically asked that I leave his name out of this.

You do have many solid reasons for disliking Mark. I can’t deny or disprove that. But I will conclude my post with two points:
1) Like him or hate him, he (as per HIS OWN WORDS) never shot ANY game game animal specifically with the intention to wound them in order to provoke a charge. As his critic, you might not believe his claim.. As his friend, I do. Yes, he provoked a few charges by other means (as per his own admission) and I suppose that you (and several other fellow hunters) might still consider that to be unethical. But he never wounded anything in order to instigate a charge.

2) Regardless of what he SAID/SAYS about provoking bear charges, the fact of the matter is that out of all the bears he’s shot in his life so far (I can get you the exact number if you wish)… only ONE was actually ever shot during a charge. And that one genuinely wasn’t Mark’s fault (as corroborated by a mutual friend of ours who was with him).

Is this enough to get you to develop a less negative opinion of Mark ? Probably not. And I don’t expect it to either. But just like it’s your moral duty to call out potentially unethical sporting behavior by other hunters, it’s also my moral duty to lend any insight regarding Mark which might make his critics see him in a more three dimensional light. Not necessarily a more positive light. But a more three dimensional light.

This is an older clip previously posted here several years ago. You will have to go to YouTube to watch it. But it is hardly the only one like it. This bull could and should have been quickly dispatched as it lay on the ground - but why waste an opportunity for an exciting charge caught on film. And his brave clients, perhaps some of the wealthy elite to whom you refer, cheering from the safety of the Land Cruiser - or should I say shooting platform? There is nothing about these two minutes are so that I find remotely appealing.
 
@Scott CWO

I’ve read your post thoroughly (and judging by the fact that you “Liked” them, I’m guessing that you also read mine). Your dislike towards Mark appears to mostly stem from three things (if I’m not mistaken):
1) You don’t like the way he talks, which you (and many others) interpret as bragging.
2) You consider that he takes far too much time in between shots to give the game a quick death humanely.
3) You believe that he deliberately shoots his client’s game.

Okay.
In regards to point 1, there’s nothing that I can or should say which can counter this. I myself (in a previous post on this very thread) stated that I don’t necessarily agree with everything he says (that would be the understatement of the year).

In regards to point 2, again there’s nothing which I can or should say which can counter this. A hunter can always look at another hunter’s video and consider that far too much time was wasted between shots. Being subjected to individual morality based scrutiny comes with the territory of making hunting videos.

But in regards to point 3, I’m afraid that my way of looking at things is not the same as yours. Mark’s clients are all wealthy people (many of whom know each other). And they don’t accumulate that kind of money by being stupid. If he was actually making a habit of shooting client’s game in situations where THE CLIENTS THEMSELVES considered it to be unnecessary… then, he soon wouldn’t be able to get new clients the way that he does. Out of ALL of Mark’s actual clients (both current & former) whom I’ve interacted with over the years (and I’m fortunate enough to be close to three of them), not a single one of them ever accused him of unnecessarily shooting their game. Not a single one.

Okay, I’ll share one piece of confidential information about one of the clients (who I unfortunately can’t share the name of for obvious reasons). There was one client (that I know of) who just wanted a hippopotamus. He initially did try to hunt the hippopotamus himself (and recalls that Mark genuinely did try his best to get the client to bag the game by himself). But for certain physical limitations, he just couldn’t . Finally, Mark did shoot that hippopotamus for him (at the client’s consent). Some portions of that hunt appeared in one of Mark’s 1990s videos. That client is actually a member of these forums, although he specifically asked that I leave his name out of this.

You do have many solid reasons for disliking Mark. I can’t deny or disprove that. But I will conclude my post with two points:
1) Like him or hate him, he (as per HIS OWN WORDS) never shot ANY game game animal specifically with the intention to wound them in order to provoke a charge. As his critic, you might not believe his claim.. As his friend, I do. Yes, he provoked a few charges by other means (as per his own admission) and I suppose that you (and several other fellow hunters) might still consider that to be unethical. But he never wounded anything in order to instigate a charge.

2) Regardless of what he SAID/SAYS about provoking bear charges, the fact of the matter is that out of all the bears he’s shot in his life so far (I can get you the exact number if you wish)… only ONE was actually ever shot during a charge. And that one genuinely wasn’t Mark’s fault (as corroborated by a mutual friend of ours who was with him).

Is this enough to get you to develop a less negative opinion of Mark ? Probably not. And I don’t expect it to either. But just like it’s your moral duty to call out potentially unethical sporting behavior by other hunters, it’s also my moral duty to lend any insight regarding Mark which might make his critics see him in a more three dimensional light. Not necessarily a more positive light. But a more three dimensional light.
For me
With out knowing the man personally and there for not knowing how to take his personality. The cockneys because a video doesn’t all way show the real person.
When you said he did not shoot to wound to get vido chares that’s all I needed.
I have 0 problems with him and like you said the people that hunt with him know what’s involved. If they are good thats all that. Matter
 
The main allure of hunting "dangerous game" is the "danger" that the hunter may become the quarry.
Denying this would be dishonest.

For certain dangerous game animals such a lion, leopard or tiger, there is also no culinary value in hunting them so it is either to protect (people, livestock, or their own population) or it is sport.

To the extent that this hunting is done for sport, providing your "opponent" a chance at the same outcome using their "weapons" is as "fair" or "even" as it could reasonably get (unless you want to test the ridiculous and go against an dangerous animal using only your human teeth and nails).

Of course, there is going to be an adrenaline rush - all dangerous game hunting is an adrenaline rush for the same reason: that the hunter risks being injured or killed.

Mark Sullivan enhances this risk a step further than many hunters would. However, all dangerous game hunters are enhancing the risks a step further than non-dangerous game hunters would. Correspondigly, all hunters are taking things a step further than non-hunters would, etc.

Not wanting to do enhance the risk is fine, but speaking out against it (so long as wounding the animal is unintentional) ends up landing on the "slippery slope" toward the rationale of the anti-hunters.

To reiterate, I don't support or respect intentionally wounding an animal to later provoke a charge, but it does not seem that is what Mark Sullivan does. It appears that when a dangerous game animal is unintentionally wounded, he approaches it and allows it to either run or charge. The client and support crew know this and seem to be there willingly.

I believe it was @Hunter-Habib who mentioned that none of his clients have ever been injured over his 35-year career as a PH. That says something about the true risk involved in his approach, as well as his skill with his rifle.

I give him proper respect for both!
Maybe to you. I’ll ask how many dangerous game animals you have hunted? It seems many holding this idea or admiring Mark Sullivan have hunted Africa the least. I go to see new areas, new hunting styles, hunt everything the area has, and obviously a great trophy. The decision to hunt “dangerous game” because it’s dangerous at times has never been a consideration.
 
You see! Right there! And normally I’d say “right there my friend”, but you are what you are! And you are trying to provoke a response SMH INHAVE NO PROBLEM MEETING YOU OR anyone here and have many! You are acting like a sad member here pal and I don’t think very many think much of you right now!
I put up a post of a friend of mine that you have shown who you are in! You will NEVER account for anything he has accomplished and couldn’t stand in his shadow!!!

I doubt you will be invited to many hunts or visits with by other AH members yet I on the other hand have hosted many AH members at my house and have hunts planned with them! You?

So to answer NO Mark is a Hunter first! A PH second! And enjoys telling his stories though published books and video third!

I’ll again ask you to stop the name calling and disparaging remarks towards others on this forum! We don’t conduct ourselves here that way!
You would come off much better at this point just saying you were drunk writing this rather than bragging how many hunts you have planned with AH members when I don’t think you’ve even hunted Africa yet?
 

This is an older clip previously posted here several years ago. You will have to go to YouTube to watch it. But it is hardly the only one like it. This bull could and should have been quickly dispatched as it lay on the ground - but why waste an opportunity for an exciting charge caught on film. And his brave clients, perhaps some of the wealthy elite to whom you refer, cheering from the safety of the Land Cruiser - or should I say shooting platform? There is nothing about these two minutes are so that I find remotely appealing.
Amongst all videos presented by Mark’s critics, this is the one that gets circulated the most. And also one which I am well aware of.

Not that what I will say might alter your perceptions of the man (and I certainly don’t expect it to)… but here is my assessment on the matter:

1) This video was from VERY early in Mark’s career. He stopped keeping that style of beard & hair by 1995. He also sold that William Evans .500 Nitro Express boxlock ejector after only four years of use. As a matter of fact, that video is from 1990. Very possibly Mark’s first hunting season as a white hunter in Tanzania. That’s 35 years ago. One of your favorite quotes (and one which I philosophically agree with very much) is “The past is a different place. They used to do things differently there”. Okay, maybe not the same thing. But when we are young, we do reckless things at times. Things which we slowly change or feel differently about as we get older. I don’t know about you, but 35 years ago… I certainly didn’t think about sporting ethics the way that I do now. If 35 years ago, your sporting ethics were just as developed as they are now… Then, you’re definitely a better man than I (which I don’t doubt). My take on this video (bearing that context in mind)… is that he was starting his career. He saw the lucrative prospect of videoing a Cape buffalo charge (back when these things were still uncommon on the market) and he took it.

2) The client fired (and for whatever reason, didn’t want to do the follow up shot himself). Mark walked up to the Cape buffalo, waited for it to turn and face him and (once the animal had faced him) fired rather quickly. The first shot (put in by Mark) was taken within a split second of the animal turning to face him (while simultaneously standing up). Watching the video in slow motion, I can see that Mark is firing his first bullet into the Cape buffalo at the 1:28 minute mark. Before the animal had even begun to charge. He lets off the second barrel mid charge. Now, this means that unless Mark was specifically aware that his first barrel wouldn’t drop the Cape buffalo (extremely unlikely)… he had no way of even knowing that the Cape buffalo would survive long enough to charge. Now, yes. Maybe, he could have run up to that Cape buffalo faster than they way that he walked towards it. Maybe he could have fired into that downed Cape buffalo while it was staring at the other side. But Mark has gone on record saying that he likes his game to face him while he’s shooting them. Ethically debatable, but I can understand. Mr. Cheffings (my white hunter in Kenya) and Lionell Palmer (a white hunter working for Safari South in Botswana) had a similar philosophy.

On the subject of the client here, one observation I have. Mark authored two books (“Death & Double Rifles” and “Fear No Death”). I own both of them, so can take another look to verify. But in one of the two books, Mark mentions that one of his earliest clients (to have hunted on video with him) did have certain physical disabilities. If this is the same client in the video, then it would explain why the client shot from the Land Rover and didn’t do the follow up job himself.

In the end, I get that you & many others have your very sensible reasons not to like the man. As I have stated previously many times, individual sporting ethics are variable from hunter to hunter. But being the fair minded individual that I know you to be, I can at least expect you to see that SOME of the accusations against Mark are exaggerated/taken out of context.

P.S: The people cheering in the video are doing so in Swahili, not English. I believe that they’re his native African trackers & staff, not the client.
 
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Hunter-Habib,

Sir, I appreciate you defending a friend. That is honorable of you. Especially since you are outnumbered.

I’m sure I’m in the majority when I say that you defend him and make your argument in a nice respectful way. And your reputation is solid and can not be questioned by defending him. Most people will not stand up against a group even for a friend.

“not a single one of them ever accused him of unnecessarily shooting their game. Not a single one.”
Could it be that those clients would not want to brag that the mighty beast was finished by someone else. Or that is what they have learned to accept when hunting with him?

Or are you saying he does not do that anymore?
 

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2RECON wrote on Riflecrank's profile.
Hallo Ron, do you remember me? I´m Michael from Germany. We did some Wildcats on the .338 Lapua Case.
.375 i did, and a .500 and .510 you did.
Can you please contact me again (eMail please)

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