Hunting’s Newest Controversy: Snipers

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  1. cmnhunt

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    I saw the video on this and it was excellent. Only problem I see is if that guy wants accuracy with that system, he needs to put the stock on that rest, not the barrel(as in the picture). I personally never shot over 350 yards until this year. I tried a set up this year that was not computerized and made 2 clean kills, one at 525 and 468 yards. I enjoyed this and can see how this will help aging hunters continue into the future when the legs aren't as good.
     
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    From a legal perspective: have at it (unless you mess it up for us all by wounding too many animals).

    From an ethical perspective: I think of this more as killing--especially given all the technical//impersonal aid--than hunting, but that's just me.

    From a PR perspective: yikes.

    From a personal perspective: not my cup of tea. To me, hunting is getting close to an animal and even feeling a twinge of regret when I "break the egg" to make the omelet.

    From a freedom perspective: to each his own--again, as long as you don't end up messing it up for the rest of us.
     

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    First off, the real debate shouldn't be about where this is ethical or not because that is up to the person holding the rifle or bow when hunting. A person could still take an "unethical" shot with one of these fancy systems.

    Second, wounding animals, while not a nice thought, is actually a part of hunting. No hunter can guarantee, 100%, that they will never wound an animal, whether recovered or not. I'm an avid archery hunter, and I've passed on many shots others might have taken because I worry about wounding and animal. Just my personal choice. Maybe I would have successfully taken the animal and maybe not. I'll never know for sure.

    Third, the real dilemna with all this modern tech is whether or not success rates will be so great that we as hunters reduce our opportunities to hunt. If there are only "X" licenses available due to population quotas, and we are 100% successful in our take, then every year, we would see a decline in opportunity in the field. We would be so efficient that less hunters would be needed.

    Personally, I enjoy archery more than when I hunted with rifle. I must say the "rush" I feel when I'm so close I can smell the animals and look them in the eye is far greater than when I rifle hunted, so I disagree with the comment about that portion of the experience as being overrated. This is merely personal for me, as hunting should be for each individual.
     
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  4. Dr Ray

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    I would use it for taking out varmints etc as in pest destruction. I would not use it for general hunting.
     
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  5. tarbe

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    I think there is a place (or places) for longer range shooting.

    I've done some, in military and civilian settings.

    Wild game is not my country's enemy, or an inanimate target...so I won't consider shooting at game at the often longer ranges seen when engaging the other two sorts of targets mentioned.

    But I would not worry about being "sporting" when shooting commies or steel targets.

    Each of us needs to search our own conscience regarding these things.
     
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    Not for me, unsporting, and very bad for PR.

    However, to each his own :)
     
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    the old saying,get as close as you can,then get ten yard closer,sets well with me.the thrill of the stalk also excites me.as stated above,to each his or her own.
     
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    My 2 cents..it turns the animals into mere targets. To each his own.
     
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    Anybody else see the irony in this post? " hunting's newest controversy ..snipers
    We are concerned that snipers are entering the sport hunting? Well I think they been here for a while. :whistle:

    From Wikipedia:
    Etymology. The verb "to snipe" originated in the 1770s among soldiers in British India in reference to shooting snipe, which was considered a challenging target for marksmen.The agent noun "sniper" appears by the 1820s. The term sniper was first attested in 1824 in the sense of the word "sharpshooter

    :):):)
     
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    High magnification scopes, high power rifles, precision loads, explosive bullets, ballistic programs, compound bows, trigger releases, bow sights, carbon fiber arrows, crossbows, illuminated crosshairs, rangefinders, heated treestands, camo clothing, scent control devices, insect repellents, ad nauseum. We can argue the pros and cons of long range hunting all we want but at the end of the day I think we should all go back and put on our loin cloth, grab our spears and go back to being real hunters. :p:D Cape buffalo and hippos would be good starts and get in there REAL close.

     
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    Going for the reload is seriously dangerous!
     
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    Mike Jernigan won't be hitting much with his barrel on the rest like that... just saying!
     
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    Target acquisition seems somewhat lacking
     
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    Some like Blondes, some Brunettes. Like most here I too like to see the "whites of their eyes".
    These long range guys still have to do all the trip planning, recon, practice, etc. that a more conventional hunter would do to find a mountain or plain that has a elk, deer, bear, etc. at the time his is there to take that long shot.
    As Hunters, Sportsmen, Outdoorsmen, whatever we like to call ourselves, we must stick together. As a whole we have a head count and voice that demands respect. Divided into groups of "we like this - but don't like that, PETA & FRIENDS will pick us off one group at a time.
     
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    "we must all hang together or most assuredly we will all hang separately" Ben Franklin

    Holds true for the hunting and shooting fraternity.
     
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    Not my thing but has its uses on particular hunts. Baboon for example.
     
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    I wonder if thousands of years ago if the folks using the atlatl scoffed at those adopting that new fangled 'bow and arrow' thing...
     
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    Yep, just like the stick bow guys did when compound bows were introduced. Then crossbows, then trigger releases, then sights, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
     
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