Help me pick a BIG Bore Muzzleloader...

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  1. EDELWEISS

    EDELWEISS AH Enthusiast

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    So Ive been thinking about a 4 Bore rifle. Its a need that's kinda burning inside me. I flip back and forth between 72/75 caliber factory gun and a 8 Bore and the 4 Bore. A 72 cal factory gun is much cheaper ($1500)than a custom build $8-10,000+++). Yes I know all have been used to hunt Dangerous Game; but theres something cool about a 4Bore.

    Soooooo, assuming I do go the custom build route, I'm not even sure what special features I want (barrel length, stock options, wood grade, engraving, etc). My first thought is a pretty basic build with nice but not fancy wood, perhaps some minor scroll work and "Made especially for Edelweiss" on the barrel flat; but generally nothing super special. I'm thinking Id like it to be like one of the "originals", just a BIG working gun.

    A BIG Bore muzzleloader is only just a tad more versatile than a 577 or 600NE. While I wouldn't take a Big NE on a Whitetail hunt, I might take the 4 Bore. Yeah a 72/75 is maybe more appropriate; but a 4 Bore is a 4 BORE....

    What features should I consider......

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  2. ChrisG

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    I would personally say that an 8 or 10 bore would be all the gun a person who was not hunting elephant of rhino would want. As to the 4 bore being more versatile... I can't really say I agree with that one. the four bour is throwing a 1,750 grain ball at between 1,350 and 1,500 fps with between 8 and 15 drams of powder (218 - 410 grains) of black powder. Recoil is ferocious even with the light load (about 1.5x a .600 load). With the heavy load, the recoil leaves even a 18 lb .600 nitro express in the dust. I believe it was Selous who stated that firing the 4 bore for so many years had given him an incurable flinch. The other issue you are going to have is that a typical 4 bore should weigh about 20lbs minimum to mitigate recoil as much as possible. Even so, with the smallest 8 dram load, you would be taking a shoulder tearing, retina detaching 180+ft.lbs of recoil with every shot. The rifling (if you opt to have it rifled as this increases recoil) relegates the use of any kind of bird/buckshot to a few yards.

    You probably don't get to say this very often but... The .577 and .600 nitro are actually going to be MORE versatile that one of these. Plus, I don't think I want to lug a 22-24 lb rifle around with me looking for deer. but then, my deer hunting involves a lot of climbing to get to places where 90% of other hunters are too lazy to get to because they can't drive their 4 wheeler to the base of their stand.

    So in the end, If you want a big bore muzzleloader, I would recommend an 8 or a 10 bore.

    If you are dead set on a 4 bore, save your pennies to have it made and then cough up another $300 to have a mold made for it. Then start buying lead by the pallet and powder by the case to feed it. I don't think you can just buy 1.052" lead balls just anywhere and a pound of powder would be good for about 25 shots. You would need at least 4 lbs just to get proficient with it.

    If however, you think an 8 or a 10 bore might suit you this guy:http://www.octobercountry.com/ will make one for a reasonable price (probably $3-5,000) the barrel alone on his 8 bore wighs 14 lbs.

    Best of luck! If/when you do get your big bore, definitely post some pictures of it as well as you shooting it. There's nothing like rotten egg smell in the morning!
     

  3. drhall762

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    I have a .72 DR and it is about all I can take with heavy loads. Playing with conicals in the 780 to 1050gr range when I get my molds. Hopefully next month.
     

  4. EDELWEISS

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    I toyed with the idea of the Pedersoli 72 caliber double rifle; but I heard they aren't regulated for heavy loads??? Of the commercial guns, I think I'm more interested in the 72 cal Gibbs African rifle. Ultimately though I really want a 8 or a 4 bore. Ive been talking to the folks at October Country....
     

  5. ChrisG

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    The pedersoli Gibbs hunting rifle is gorgeous! I wanted one but it will have to wait until after I go on safari. The only thing I would probably do to one is have a gunsmith cut the barrel back to 24". Then it would be perfect! I think you could do a lot worse than a rifled 12 bore muzzle loader like the Gibbs.
     

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    Look hard at the October country rifles
    I have a .69 and it is my favorite rifle
     

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