Experience with 20 & 24 mm objectives

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Hello everyone, would like to hear what you all think of the low magnification scopes made by Zeiss, Leupold, Swaro, etc. with smaller objectives (20 and 24 mm). Any issues with light gathering out of these smaller objectives? Intended use would be plains game and buffalo.
 
Leupold is world known for the 1.5 X 5 20mm scope. I own 2, and love them! On my Winchester .375 H&H, I chose the Leupold 1.75 X 6 Compact. It has a larger objective bell, and I really like it. I've never owned any lighted crosshair scopes, but would sure consider one. It really depends on what you are asking of your scope? If you really want good light gathering, you need a larger objective.
 
I use a 1.5x5 Leupold on my 375RSM.
It does everything that I ask of it.
However, I am looking for a Swarovski.
 
I’ve got a 1-6x24 Leica Magnus, bright enough for dusk or dawn shooting. At night, however you’re limited to lower magnifications to maintain large enough exit pupil.
 
Zero issues with light transmission in a Leupold VX6 1-6, Leupold Mark 4 1.5-5, Swaro 1-6, or 4 Schmidt & Bender 1-4x24's.

I run a bunch a LVPO style optic on a variety of guns.
 
I often prefer the compact size and handiness of straight tube scopes. In most, but certainly not all African hunting you will be hunting in reasonably well - lit conditions. No handicap with a scope that has a 20-24mm objective as long as magnification is not too high. 4 or 5 power is about max. maybe 6x if the manufacturer has excellent lens coatings and design. If you are hunting leopard at night, or bush pig, or small predators etc, you are asking about something more specialized. That's when lighted reticle aiming points and big objectives and more magnification really pays off. The Europeans have made an art form of hunting at night for wild boar etc. Specialized scopes certainly exist, but for most hunting are not required.
 
Zeiss, Leupold, Swaro, etc. with smaller objectives (20 and 24 mm). Any issues with light gathering out of these smaller objectives?
For my "winer gun" - i.e. gun for driven hunts I use meopta R2 1-6x24.
No issues.

But driven hunts are made during the day in good daylight conditions.

For hunting where I can expect to stay active after sunset, I dont use this rifle/scope combo
For this occasion, and hunting after sunset is zeiss diavary 3-12x56.
(In europe, we in general are allowed to hunt 2 hours after susnet)

Bottom line, wide angle scopes are for daylight use.
Best compromise for one rifle/scope combo, is something like 42mm, and best magnification for 42mm is 6x.
So, something like 1.7-10x42... (my african rifle).
50 mm, is also good all rounder scope.
This is very good solution for places where hunting in general is till sunset.
 
I have a Swarovski Z8i 1-8x24 on my double rifle and it works well into the dusk and really early at dawn also.
 
Hello everyone, would like to hear what you all think of the low magnification scopes made by Zeiss, Leupold, Swaro, etc. with smaller objectives (20 and 24 mm). Any issues with light gathering out of these smaller objectives? Intended use would be plains game and buffalo.

Yes and No.

The very worst scope I’ve ever owned for low-light work is the Leupold 1.5-4.5x20mm. I know its like $400, but it is absolutely awful. I relegated it from rifle use down to a Ravin crossbow and even at 35 yards its such garbage at dusk and dawn for white tails.

Now the very best scope I’ve ever owned, and I’ve owned a LOT of them and used them for probably 30-50 big game animals is the Swarovski Z6 1-6x24mm EE. I’ve used it at 9pm in Northern Canada, I’ve used it to clearly view a hung bait in Africa at all hours. It’s so good for about every application I’ve ever had need to own an optic. Shots at 5 yards in the jess? Sure. A shot on a bushbuck at 345 yards? I did it. I’ve put them on 375HHs, 318WRs, 470s, 7x57s, 340 weatherbys, crossbows, 7x64s, 7x65rs, 404s, 300HHs, drillings, 458s, etc.

Here’s the math when you have a scope with incredible clarity and light gathering like the swaro. The human pupil in a male over age 35 can open to roughly a maximum of ~6.5mm in total darkness. So that’s the maximum light absorption you can bring in. A 24mm exit objective therefore if it had 100% transmission would give you full light transmission at 4x. (24mm / 4x = 6mm) For low light hunting a 4x magnification is plenty for 200 yard shots. Surely the light gathering of the binos to first confirm the quality of the animal is going to dictate a relatively close shot like that anyway.

So all things being equal, that Swaro 1-6x24mm is going to give you just as much light gathering as your eye can handle at 4x in twilight as a $4000 swaro 4-16x50mm would at 8x. The question is would you actually need 8x in low light? You’d miss the animal trying to search for it so you’d just crank that giant telescope down to 4x anyway and all that light gathering is lost, non-absorbable by your pupil anyway.

But then we go to mid-day hunting and spot-and-stalk shooting off sticks. 99% of missed opportunities are spent “f-ing around on the sticks”. Fuddling with the zoom. Trying to get your face off the comb to look through a giant telescope of an optic. Being unable to take a snap shot instinctively on an animal that may be moving. When the moment is right hesitation is the road to ruin. The straight tube scopes give you so much more advantages for speed of target acquisition and speed at which you can be ready to pull the trigger.

Last bonus for straight tube scopes. You can fit them in extra low rings. That means your stock‘s comb fits to your face like iron sights. Which means better shooting form. Which means less recoil punching you in the face. It allows a person to shoot a lot bigger gun comfortably than the typical rambo-benchrest American rifle with a high comb, high rings, and a giant optic. My ten year old weighs 100lbs and has a 1-6x24mm on his dangerous game rifle in 375HH and has no trouble shooting it from a darkened blind for crocs, or for kudu, zebra, eland, impala, wildebeest and other plains game out at reasonable adult shooting distances off sticks.

So, more info than you asked for, but there’s a reason that really high end stalking rifles and dangerous game rifles almost always have straight tube scopes. You give up virtually nothing and you gain a lot.
 
As @rookhawk pointed, it is important to know how much your pupil opens.

As you get older, it gets smaller, and all those very expensive light gathering huge scopes are totally useless to you.

We should "do the math"
 
I like straight tube scopes on many of my hunting rifles. Leupold VX3 1.5-5X are on my .404J and my 375 H&H. I have pre-sighted back up scopes in QD rings for both rifles - - a VX6HD 1-6X with red dot and a VX2 2-7X duplex for the .375. For the application I like the Leupold VX3 1.5-5X better than anything else - they weigh little, mount low, good optical quality, don't break the bank, and they are TOUGH. I have three of these right now - one is mounted on my Remington 513T .22RF 'practice' rifle.

Other rifles have Swarovski, Schmidt & Bender and Leupold scopes. These are equipped for specific applications Couses deer, elk, desert PG, etc.
 
A 24mm objective scope is very small and when it is about light gathering and

exit pupil size, the FOV and other things are limited with such a small choice.

If you have any experience with binoculars anything with a small objective size down

to 20 or 25 is limited in its usefulness.

Bigger is often better, and that is why a 40-42mm objective is the biggest seller

by far. Not many use a 24mm scope, but a good place may be your .22 LR.

Right now, I am swapping out a 2-7x28 for a larger 3-9x40 as the small one will

not get it done hunting, often in low light.
 
There have been times......still legal shooting times here in the Western US, when it has been too dark to clearly see the target with my Leupold 1.5-5 VX3.......love the scope, despite it's limitations.........FWB
 
I have a Swaro Z6 1-6x24 EE, a Swaro Z8 1-8x24 and two Leupold VX6 1-6x24’s. Any of those scopes would suit your purposes admirably. I think the Z6 is likely the best in low light, but honestly I’m being a little nit picky in saying that.
 
Rookhawk layed it out clearly for you. Bigger glass does not equal more light. In addition, as a general rule, the more lenses in your scope, the more light is lost and the more optical distortions. The more magnification and the more zoom range, the more lenses. So for equal lens quality, low mag and minimum zoom range= brighter image.
 
I had an experience equivalent to Rookhawk's with the Leupold 1-5 I briefly owned. Now I have a Leupold 2-7 on my business rifle, and rarely dial it above the 2.
 
Recently upgraded the DG scope on my 458WM for my Cape Buff hunt. My VX3 1.5-5 has been reliable. But the Meopta R2 1-6 illuminated #4 that I replaced it with, makes the Leupold look like a dirty coke bottle...
 
I limit my hunting range to about 200 yards by choice. I really want to stalk at least that close before I shoot. My favorite 375 H&H scope is the Leupold VX3 1.5-5x20. I have taken 11 head of game in the US and Africa with this setup and I've been totally satisfied. I thought it was perfect in Namibian thorn bush. I would want more scope (and less rifle) if I wanted to cull springbok at 300 yards.
 

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