Ethnic cleansing, ANC says the quiet part out loud

What she said!
 
And the side that won the litigation and were very happy about the findings.
Canada is truly inspirational…like when the Canadians that cannot get health care due to lack of budget or length to next visit travel across the border and flood our ER’s in the northern states, get treatment (ER’s in the US cannot turn away any patients) and then go back home never paying the bill. But alas I will never agree with paying reparations to anyone here in the good old USA.

HH
 
My Opinion - I am no expert on South Africa but I have been there and discussed the issues with locals and have "some" insight. The RSA government has been a majority controlled gov't since Nelson Mandella took over and has shifted toward the Socialist end of the spectrum more and more over the last 15-20yrs. Blacks are the overwhelming majority with Whites making up only about 10% of the population.

Some there believe that the federal leadership is driving the country in the direction of eventual collapse. Maybe, this is true? I dunno. Joburg looks very prosperous to me. More like Beverly Hills than not.

As in most countries, there are haves and have nots. There are hard working black and white businessmen & women and professionals and there are shiftless, no-accounts who depend on gov't programs to get by from all races. But, many of the most successful businesses are owned and operated by whites and some of the blacks resent this fact. There is an undercurrent of racial tension that is thick and present most of the time. But, as in most countries, if you take the time to meet and understand individuals, you will find that people are people everywhere and most want the same things. A peaceful, prosperous life.

In the rural parts of the country, I felt quite safe. In Joburg, I mostly felt safe but it is like most large US cities, in that there are more poor, people who are willing to lie, cheat or steal to get by and they do not like YOU. I would rather go to Joburg than to Chicago or Atlanta. I found the hard working blacks in Africa to be courteous and helpful and friendly to me. Not so much in Atlanta, and I simply do not go to Chicago. Just saying.

I would look at the history of Africa. It was populated by tribal civilizations who were used to being ruled by a chief or king and who ruled with a significant level of ruthless violence. The stronger tribes like the Zulus would invade the weaker tribes and wipe out the men and boys and enslave the females. A "Might makes Right" mentality existed and is still somewhat rooted in the leaders of today. By the way, this is not limited to only Africa.

If you vote Socialists into power, they are hard to root out and do not mind using their power to keep power at all costs. They have a firm hold on RSA at the moment. It is not the communist utopia that Zimbabwe has become but they are taxing the capitalists and spending the money to take care of the non-tax paying class of citizens. As the later grow in numbers, it becomes more and more difficult to tax the hard working minority enough to sustain the farce. Sooner or later you reach a tipping point where things start to collapse. I do not think our friends at SA are there, yet...
 
the old guy said I want the British back to run it...everything worked then.....
Similar to what I heard from the driver I had during my elephant hunt in Zimbabwe 10.5 years ago. When the Rhodesian government was in place he had a good job running an excavator building dams and roads. Now they don't build anything..
 
Mainly this. You have to live in the present. History is full with migrations, wars of conquest and injustices. No reason to replace one injustice with the other.

Otherwise I want reparations from the Italians ( Roman Empire), the Spaniards ( Spanish conquest), Germans (WW2) etc. Hell I want reparations from the Scandinavians those Viking bastards :ROFLMAO:

Hey! I resemble those viking bastards.
Put me down for a beer and we'll it even.
 
It is insane. How do you decide what profits are a direct result of that unjust system? Equitable.. A woke buzzword. Your mindset is behind just about every problem the West has at the moment.

On target
 
This debate has me thinking of an essay I read by Prof. Bruce Gilley at Portland State U. I really don't think if he didn't have tenure and a full professorship when he wrote it that he could have gotten away with saying it.

https://www.nas.org/academic-questions/31/2/the_case_for_colonialism

We are raised in the US to automatically think colonialism is bad - even if we did it in the late 1890s and early 1900s. After reading Gilley's work, I'm not so sure.
 
@RLD sense you choose to bring up the Canadian native let me ask you this, when are they going to stop hiding behind “historical injustices” and deal with the root issue lack of ambition?

In the years following the Donald Marshall decision the Acadia First Nation in sou west Nova was given 15 fully running lobster rigs. Commercial skippers were hired to run them long enough to teach the natives to run them. What are we now 15-20 years later? And the vast majority of those licenses are leased back to the commercial fleet or still run by commercial skippers because they can’t get the natives to work them. Mean while the same natives will pouch lobsters all summer long under the guise of ceremonial and personal use and sell them cash.

In case anyone one is wondering ceremonial use costs about the same as quart of rum in the liquor store parking lot.
 
@Tubby’s Canteen , you bring up a good point, I asked my last tracker in South Africa who was a Zimbabwean, what he would do with a large farm? He basically said he didn’t need a large farm because his family was small. My PH chimed in and said that if someone is given a large established farm they would still only produce enough for their families and they would be the only people to benefit from it. IF this is true and the large scale farmers lose their farms a huge humanitarian crises could unfold rather quickly.
 
@Tubby’s Canteen , you bring up a good point, I asked my last tracker in South Africa who was a Zimbabwean, what he would do with a large farm? He basically said he didn’t need a large farm because his family was small. My PH chimed in and said that if someone is given a large established farm they would still only produce enough for their families and they would be the only people to benefit from it. IF this is true and the large scale farmers lose their farms a huge humanitarian crises could unfold rather quickly.
I seen it first hand here , there are roughly a 1000 members on the Acadian First Nation they were given 15 lobster rigs multiple other fishing industries scallop quota tuna/swordfish quota and all the gear to fish it. They’ve got a Hilton hotel and a small casino on the reserve and yet it’s still a slum. ALL THE OPPORTUNITY IN THE WORLD CANNOT WORK WITHOUT AMBITION.

Glass eels are worth thousands per kg and the natives are the only ones legally allowed to dip them here. The extent of equipment needed for that high dollar enterprise is a bucket an aquarium pump and a dip net.
 
@Tubby’s Canteen , you bring up a good point, I asked my last tracker in South Africa who was a Zimbabwean, what he would do with a large farm? He basically said he didn’t need a large farm because his family was small. My PH chimed in and said that if someone is given a large established farm they would still only produce enough for their families and they would be the only people to benefit from it. IF this is true and the large scale farmers lose their farms a huge humanitarian crises could unfold rather quickly.
Same thing happened with a lot of farms in SA.
 
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Similar to what I heard from the driver I had during my elephant hunt in Zimbabwe 10.5 years ago. When the Rhodesian government was in place he had a good job running an excavator building dams and roads. Now they don't build anything..
I've heard something very similar from a Zambian.
 
@Hunter-Habib

I have a lot of respect for your well stated views here.
You have an uncommon clarity of perception, thinking, and articulation.
@Datchew

You embarrass me with your high opinion of me. I'm actually a deeply flawed human being.
 
Canada is truly inspirational…like when the Canadians that cannot get health care due to lack of budget or length to next visit travel across the border and flood our ER’s in the northern states, get treatment (ER’s in the US cannot turn away any patients) and then go back home never paying the bill. But alas I will never agree with paying reparations to anyone here in the good old USA.

HH
The good news is it doesn’t matter if you agree or not.

But if you want to talk health care, perhaps you can explain why US infant mortality is so high considering all of the money spent?


Maybe you should worry why your most vulnerable are dying rather than babbling about Canadians.
 

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