Cape Buffalo Hunt-Bring or Rent a rifle?

Hi all,

Hope everyone is having a good weekend. I have decided my next African hunt to be a CB in Moz or Zim, and I have a question: Should I be dead set on buying a rifle for said hunt? Or should I just rent a rifle in camp?

My reasoning for wanting to rent a rifle is that spending thousands for a .375/.416 that I will only get to use a handful of times, as well as spending hundreds on ammo, doesn't seem too economically savvy. However, I know how useful it is to get some practice in with said rifles above so I can hit the ground running in camp.

Would love some suggestions/advice.

Thanks
You should have your own rifle especially for DG. You can likely borrow or rent one from someone on this forum if they live close enough.
I've just had my second regretful experience of not brining my own rifle. My two trips to Spain would have been far better had I followed my own advice and NEVER use a camp gun!
 
If Outfitters had double rifles to rent, the responses might be different. ;)

Let the flame war begin. :LOL:
I have seen double rifles available. The outfitter I used in Australia had several available to use. I haven’t seen them so readily available in Africa but know of cases where the client rented the PH’s double and PH used his old bolt action.
 
I have seen double rifles available. The outfitter I used in Australia had several available to use. I haven’t seen them so readily available in Africa but know of cases where the client rented the PH’s double and PH used his old bolt action.
Wonder what they'd ask for a rental fee on a Rigby or Holland and Holland 500NE Double?
 
Hi all,

Hope everyone is having a good weekend. I have decided my next African hunt to be a CB in Moz or Zim, and I have a question: Should I be dead set on buying a rifle for said hunt? Or should I just rent a rifle in camp?

My reasoning for wanting to rent a rifle is that spending thousands for a .375/.416 that I will only get to use a handful of times, as well as spending hundreds on ammo, doesn't seem too economically savvy. However, I know how useful it is to get some practice in with said rifles above so I can hit the ground running in camp.

Would love some suggestions/advice.

Thanks
A good 375HH can be had for around $1500. Winchester M70 and interarms come to mind, If you dont mind a remington 700 action you can find those also fairly resonable. A really nice 375 can be had for the $2000-3000 range. There where a few in the classifieds. A Kimber in particular I really liked that I could not justify.
A nice leupold scope on top with good set of mounts and you are ready. I have a set of Talley mounts holding my 1-4 leupold with a CDS dial. Why a CDS dial because if need be I can dial up for 300 yard shots. I also have another higher power leupold with a CDS for non dangerous game/back up scope. something like a 2-10x if memory serves me right.
As for the Ammo I hand load. Couple hundred pieces of new brass and some barnes bullets , dies and I was good to go. Already had the powder and primers for other rounds I load for.
Now all that being said Yes you could hit the $3000-$4000 mark. But I have a classic rifle that I am confident in from in my face distances out to 400 yards or so.
A 375HH is much more than just a buffalo cartridge. Its a great bear,elk, moose round and deer dont care much for it either and through the ribs behind the shoulder very little meat loss.
Now after saying all that. If you are only doing a once off cape buffalo hunt and not hunting any thing heavier than deer in north america then yeah rent it.
 
I have to disagree with you on this part. The recoil energy may be comparable but the recoil velocity is not. It makes a big difference in perceived recoil. I find rifle recoil is a much sharper recoil.
Shooting 3" magnum shells will definitely help you flinch train, no matter what. The first time I shot a 3" slug, it definitely woke me up. No matter what you shoot, practice (as noted above) is the key.
 
I have done both and both worked fine. Most camp guns are pretty good. The ammo is usually the issue. However, buff are killed at 80 yds and less, so ammo is not a huge issue. The PH will be sure that the gun and ammo are good assuming your are in Zim or Moz, as most of the PH's in those countries are Zim trained.
I killed the only lion I ever hunted with a camp gun in 9.3x62 and a bushnell POS scope. I got the lion's skin and he did not get mine.
 
Rent one. Show up to camp with only a backpack and they’ll love you :cool:

I have taken a bow twice. I’ve rented a rifle twice. And I’m renting next year for Cape buffalo. I do enjoy the hassle free travel of no checked bags and no rifle or bow.

My only African Safari was done with just a carry on backpack.

Being my first international travel found it easier to take the minimum and hire a rifle.

But, I would have liked to carry my own rifle on the hunts making memories and showing my own rifle in the photos.

Maybe next time.

As to the question I have already answered that if I don’t have the right thing I would probably hire as opposed to buying something for a one off use. Depending on the budget
 
If it is a one time hunt to tick the box and get the T shirt then go with the camp rifle - assuming they have quality rifles to use.

If it is the first of many then buy a rifle and use your own.

Have done both- shot a hippo on land with Buzz Charlton`s .500 a 20 yards and last month shot a buff (posted on here) with my .416. Have no issues using a camp rifle provided its a quality rifle.

Plus Moz is expensive on licenses and ammo charges.....

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I have tried both ways. Been on safari 5 times.
DG hunt, I tried both ways. Rental and owned rifle.

I vote for owned rifle.
There are two classes of DG rifle.
375 HH, and everything else.
375 is for everything and everywhere. You can use it at home.
416 and all others are for DG.
Buy 375.

When hunting DG, first shot is the one that counts. Train with your rifle, prepare proper bullet, go there, and have no surprises.

Rental rifle, means shooting a DG animal, with unknown weapon. And you must be certain you will be able to place first shot in proper place. Unknown weapon, means also unknown aiming system, iron sights, scope, red dot.

I hunted 2 times with my rifle, 3 times with rental rifle.
In three times of hunting with rental rifle, Of those three times, on the end, I hunted with rifles I did not plan to hunt with, because those were available.

When hunting DG, in my view, you must make everything in advance, to your advantage before the hunt. Because during the hunt, many things can go wrong after the first shot.

Next weak point in rental rifles, can be unknown ammo you will get.
Bullet can fail. I have seen rental rifles with bullets not of best quality. Do not expect in Africa every camp will have premium ammo for the job.
And about half of this forum is discussing what is best ammo for... Buffalo, elephant, hyppo and so on.
Ammunition is the weakest point in choosing an option to hunt with rental rifle.

Finally, buy rifle, sell the rifle. Zero loss.
Many forum members passed that route. Buy, train, train ,train, go hunting DG, keep hunting, and when no more hunting is in perspective, sell the rifle.

Why not to bring your rifle? One reason only:
Eventual complicated travel and gun clearance on arrival. Option - Go to gun friendly country, and hunt there with your rifle.
Great advice thanks!
 
Something nice about having company over for a cocktail and someone says “Tell me about this rifle. Where has it been? What has it done?”


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Just returned from a CB hunt in S.A.. I used your commonsense reply to the costs and shot my PH.s $20,000 double, and his more economical 270,308 and 375 HxH. All spot on. I stopped a charge from my Cape Buffalo's askari at 8-10 feet with the 470 ! Pulled both triggers and flipped the second bull on his back with a spine shot! My take. Use his gun. He won't risk your life with a bad rifle.
 
Just my opinion, and I have never hunted Africa. Buy the rifle and practice with it. A good friend of mine and his son went to Namibia and rented. He got to lug around an old Brno 602 in 375 that weighed about 12lbs and his son was given a beat up Model 70 Lightweight, in 300WM with a Magna-ported 20" barrel., @ 6.8lbs. Weight and bark were the consistent things on that trip. They had a great time but they did remember the features of those beat up rifles, and took their own on the next trip.
 
Hi all,

Hope everyone is having a good weekend. I have decided my next African hunt to be a CB in Moz or Zim, and I have a question: Should I be dead set on buying a rifle for said hunt? Or should I just rent a rifle in camp?

My reasoning for wanting to rent a rifle is that spending thousands for a .375/.416 that I will only get to use a handful of times, as well as spending hundreds on ammo, doesn't seem too economically savvy. However, I know how useful it is to get some practice in with said rifles above so I can hit the ground running in camp.

Would love some suggestions/advice.

Thanks
I got a good deal.on a Whitworth Express in .458 WM when I was planning my first safari. I used it ti take a buffalo in 1983 and then another in 2022. Yes, that was 39 years apart, but I still won't sell the rifle. It has been with me on two dangerous game hunts and I used it to kill one bull as he came at the PH from about 10 feet. His rifle had malfunctioned. I have shown the rifle to friends and my grandson and told the stories. I do not know if I will make another safari, but if I do, the Whitworth will go with me. It has become just as important as my pictures and taxidermy. That's not something you can get with a rented rifle.

BTW, you were right about being able to become familiar with the rifle. I worked up really good hand loads for it and I was quite comfortable with it when the bull got up to take on my PH.
 
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Buying and owning a beautiful rifle is part of the rich experience of your African hunt, or any hunt for that matter.
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Well written sir.
Couldn’t agree more. A DG rifle is more than a tool. It’s a functioning piece of artwork - something personal / astute and deadly ✅✅
 
Rent one. Show up to camp with only a backpack and they’ll love you :cool:

I have taken a bow twice. I’ve rented a rifle twice. And I’m renting next year for Cape buffalo. I do enjoy the hassle free travel of no checked bags and no rifle or bow.
No checked bags? How do you deal with knives, broad heads and other hunting equipment?
 
When I bowhunted I took a bow case with that stuff. But I’ve done 2 trips to Botswana after elephant and 2 multi week international trips with my wife with nothing but an 1800 cubic inch backpack which I carried on. It’s so much easier than checking stuff and worrying about whether it made it.

I hunted snow sheep in Russia in 2018. My rifle made it but nothing else. I wore the same Kuiu pants and merino wool shirt for 17 straight days. Home to home. It really wasn’t that bad
 
Hi all,

Hope everyone is having a good weekend. I have decided my next African hunt to be a CB in Moz or Zim, and I have a question: Should I be dead set on buying a rifle for said hunt? Or should I just rent a rifle in camp?

My reasoning for wanting to rent a rifle is that spending thousands for a .375/.416 that I will only get to use a handful of times, as well as spending hundreds on ammo, doesn't seem too economically savvy. However, I know how useful it is to get some practice in with said rifles above so I can hit the ground running in camp.

Would love some suggestions/advice.

Thanks
To me both owning and taking a rifle to Africa gives me great pleasure being part of the entire experience. Having said that I can see if you are only hunting PG where that might be easier. However hunting DG to me would be like The Ghost and The Darkness movie about taking someone else’s weapon…I want to completely know my rifle and be comfortable with it versus using a camp gun I am not familiar with
 

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Hi. Giving it serious consideration . Ive bought from azdave gonna ask him bout you

Any wisdom or opinions on that reticle? There a manual?
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