Australia Buffalo

[375Fox]

I don’t doubt you had this experience, like any government department anywhere in the world there are people who are not over regulations. But you don’t need a firearm license to get a game license, you got a bum steer on that one.

And just to play devils advocate, USA isn’t exactly a walk in the park for internationals. Despite the hoops we have to jump through to get gun licenses here none of the states I wanted to build points for in US would recognise my Australian hunting license in lieu of the hunter safety you require. That’s why I wasn’t ever able to start building points in MT, they want a hunter safety before you can start and wouldn’t recognise my license. Went with WY because I don’t need to complete it until I apply for tags.

Just take a US hunter safety course. They are online now and good forever. Doesn’t matter which state it’s taken in. Pennsylvania online course is $50.

 

[deewayne2003]

I don’t doubt you had this experience, like any government department anywhere in the world there are people who are not over regulations. But you don’t need a firearm license to get a game license, you got a bum steer on that one.

And just to play devils advocate, USA isn’t exactly a walk in the park for internationals. Despite the hoops we have to jump through to get gun licenses here none of the states I wanted to build points for in US would recognise my Australian hunting license in lieu of the hunter safety you require. That’s why I wasn’t ever able to start building points in MT, they want a hunter safety before you can start and wouldn’t recognise my license. Went with WY because I don’t need to complete it until I apply for tags.

LOL... Ok back to my second trip that was to the NT

I had to take an online NSW course because NT only offers it in person but does accept the NSW online as an equivalent..... The NSW course was hours online and is hosted by a company in Richardson Texas.

After taking the course I then had to pass the tests which were over 100 questions and had to get a 90% before I could be given permission to apply for permission to enter the NT back country hunting blocks.

Documents submitted......
Application with passport photos - Signed by state police after warrant check
Proof of NSW online course - Taken in substitution of NT course
Proof of back country access tests completion - (to access T.O. land of hunting blocks)
Copy of Texas Drivers license
Copy of Texas License to carry a handgun
Copy of Valid Texas hunting license
Copy of Valid Oklahoma hunting license
Proof of belonging to an OZ shooting sports club - Required
Proof that said club has $1mil liability insurance per member - Required
Copy of previously attained Victoria International Visitors Firearms Permit

All this so I could hunt with friends while using a borrowed rifle.

As for bringing your own gun into OZ without a letter of invite from a Safari Outfitter or an accredited shooting competition.......... NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!

The NT police told me
"If you come to OZ and hunt with a safari company using your own rifle and then want to hunt more with friends you would have to leave the rifle with the safari operator or other secured storage facility and then borrow a rifle from your friends to hunt with."

The NT police told me this without me having asked the question.....

Best part of OZ is when you get out of the cities and getting the paperwork behind you, the people of Australia are amazing and in the rural areas could give less than a shit about laws.

DO NOT let me experiences with OZ paperwork discourage anyone from going, all the problems I have dealt with in the past came from doing the right thing by OZ laws and my friends there that have been gracious enough to take me hunting.

 

[R eight]

That’s the problem I ran into in Victoria…..

Texas(like all free states) has no firearms license!
Texas state police have NO STAMP to place on these forms!

I literally sat in the lobby of the Texas state troopers headquarters with 3 state troopers reading the forms and laughing their asses off and they called down the head off Texas license to carry handguns(only license in Texas)

Finally they came to the agreement that they would sign the papers and write their badge numbers on the form and write in… “Texas has no state police stamp and requires NO license to own a firearm”

They would only do this if I produced my license to carry and DL and they would run a warrant check on me while I was standing there; I agreed and the warrant check came back clean.

I then had passport photos taken and included all the forms, Texas hunting license, Texas hunters safety card, Oklahoma hunting license and copy of passport.

All of this to be able to legally BORROW a firearm in Victoria.

Then the police wouldn’t issue me a gun permit because I didn’t have a deer stalking license and the game department wouldn’t issue a deer stalking license because I didn’t have my firearms permit…..

When I go back I’ll be going with Alex and after learning he’s gone through the customs and border patrol training to know the process inside and out…… that shows me he goes above and beyond because he’s the only outfitter I’ve ever heard of doing such.

A bit of nostalgia for me reading your post.

I’m an ex cop, State and Federal in Australia. Well and truly retired….your post reminded me of a day in the job many years ago.
A bit of background. Was about 1982 and I was a young copper who had just transferred to a regional station after a couple of years in a remote country 2 man station in the state of Queensland ( bigger and prettier than Texas). Queensland gun laws back then were very basic. No machine guns allowed and handguns were licensed. Every thing else was fine. No license required. No storage required…zip nothing. Was a paradise for a gun nut like me. And I was very proud of that. But not all of Australia was like that. West Australia and the idiots that exist there have, even back then, had absolute bull shit laws.

Anyway, I’m at this new, big station. And I, being a young country copper have somehow unintentionally upset the senior Sgt. He teaches me a lesson by putting me on the enquiry counter for the entire day shift. Fuck….driver’s license renewal and lost and found property is going to be my day.

Anyway, first customer of the day. An old barstard comes into renew is driving license….D.O.B 1890 something. A spritely WW1 digger too. Highlight of the day. Any way after a long period of helping old ladies with lost property in walks a bloke in his 30’s. He informs me that he has come to register his firearms . Arh…assumes I…..handguns. No, this idiot ( he is from WA) informs me that no, he only has rifles. So, after some confusion I , with great pride, informed him that he now lived in the free state of Queensland and that he could own any bloody rifle he wanted without having to ask anyone. He looked at me in shock and said “but I’ve got a high powered rifle…a 30/30. “ those poor dumb west Australian barstools ha,ha. At the end of my shift I told my snr Sgt… even he laughed. But then he told me my prentice wasn’t finished and it was counter duty for me tomorrow. I then stopped laughing.

Anyway, times have changed. I cannot believe that I now live in a country that has so changed.

So…I know why your State Troopers found your request funny.

Cheers mate.

This post was conceived and written on my phone. Typos and grammar errors are intentional.

 

[JPbowhunter]

LOL... Ok back to my second trip that was to the NT

I had to take an online NSW course because NT only offers it in person but does accept the NSW online as an equivalent..... The NSW course was hours online and is hosted by a company in Richardson Texas.

After taking the course I then had to pass the tests which were over 100 questions and had to get a 90% before I could be given permission to apply for permission to enter the NT back country hunting blocks.

Documents submitted......
Application with passport photos - Signed by state police after warrant check
Proof of NSW online course - Taken in substitution of NT course
Proof of back country access tests completion - (to access T.O. land of hunting blocks)
Copy of Texas Drivers license
Copy of Texas License to carry a handgun
Copy of Valid Texas hunting license
Copy of Valid Oklahoma hunting license
Proof of belonging to an OZ shooting sports club - Required
Proof that said club has $1mil liability insurance per member - Required
Copy of previously attained Victoria International Visitors Firearms Permit

All this so I could hunt with friends while using a borrowed rifle.

As for bringing your own gun into OZ without a letter of invite from a Safari Outfitter or an accredited shooting competition.......... NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!

The NT police told me
"If you come to OZ and hunt with a safari company using your own rifle and then want to hunt more with friends you would have to leave the rifle with the safari operator or other secured storage facility and then borrow a rifle from your friends to hunt with."

The NT police told me this without me having asked the question.....

Best part of OZ is when you get out of the cities and getting the paperwork behind you, the people of Australia are amazing and in the rural areas could give less than a shit about laws.

DO NOT let me experiences with OZ paperwork discourage anyone from going, all the problems I have dealt with in the past came from doing the right thing by OZ laws and my friends there that have been gracious enough to take me hunting.

I’m hoping to do a backcountry hunt in the next year or so and I’ll have to jump through the same hoops.

I think it’s like anywhere in the world, get away from the cities and you meet the real people of that country/culture.
Australia is probably an exaggerated version of this. It’s one of the things I find ironic about Australia. City people love to play on the “she’ll be right” Aussie culture but when it comes down to it they tend to hate all things about rural Australia and that culture. Anyway, I digress.
Once you get the laws and cities in the rear view mirror it’s a great place to visit and hunt.

 

[JPbowhunter]

Just take a US hunter safety course. They are online now and good forever. Doesn’t matter which state it’s taken in. Pennsylvania online course is $50.

I still haven’t to date seeing how WY point creep has escalated but I’ll get it done before I decide to cash in my points.
Coincidentally, PA is a state I’d like to hunt in the flintlock season someday.

 

[PaulT]

What is considered a Trophy Water Buffalo as in length of Horns?

Manny, the answer to your question depends on who you are hunting with and how they manage their concession.

When I was operating buffalo hunts I would focus on age as opposed to "score", or horn length, and I would discuss this with inquirers prior to them booking.
I would tend to dissuade those seeking the younger, higher scoring bulls and aim hunts towards bulls 9 - 10 years of age and greater.
Dependent on a few factors such as genetics and area (flooplain v's dryland scrub) a 9+ year old bull will have 17" bases. It's the bases that take time and age to develop, again dependent on the area.
A mature bull at 9+ years with 17+" bases and 30'+ horn length makes a fine bull to take.

 

[458JCE]

A bit of nostalgia for me reading your post.

I’m an ex cop, State and Federal in Australia. Well and truly retired….your post reminded me of a day in the job many years ago.
A bit of background. Was about 1982 and I was a young copper who had just transferred to a regional station after a couple of years in a remote country 2 man station in the state of Queensland ( bigger and prettier than Texas).

So…I know why your State Troopers found your request funny.

Cheers mate.

This post was conceived and written on my phone. Typos and grammar errors are intentional.

R eight is even funnier in person