Attempted Robbery at Africa Sky Guesthouse

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  1. Brent in Az

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    It would depend on the Judge, and if they would proceed with the case, or throw it out.?
     

  2. Edge

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    Update: I sent an e-mail to AfricaSky and asked them to respond to either me directly or on this post.

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  3. lwaters

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    That's great. Who knows what the real story could be.
     

  4. wesheltonj

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    Might look elsewhere. Discussion and lots of eye witness, under Dutch tourists discussion.
     

  5. BWH

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    I have stayed at Africa Sky twice. Loved both experiences. Very clean & nice. Security, comfort, food, etc. All were great. However, I must say..... I would much rather be at a concession or en route, than wasting a night/day at a Guest House.
     
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  6. JimP

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    Sometimes a overnight stay is necessary just to logistics coming or going.
     

  7. Brent in Az

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    This would be getting into gray areas of the law. Same applies with the Castle doctrine.

    If someone breaks into my home, vehicle, or business, or puts me in danger and they are considered an immediate threat, deadly force can be used, and no retreat is necessary if I am in my legal right to be there. Arizona laws protect me from being prosecuted, as long as I didn't do anything within the gray areas of the law.
     

  8. wesheltonj

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    From another site:

    "It happened at 3 am. The thugs breached a wall with the neighboring property to enter onto the premises. They tied up the first security guard, while holding a knife to his throat, bound him, and then robbed him of his coat, shirt and shoes. They then moved on looking for a target. By the way, I had heard noises at one of my windows a few days earlier when I had stayed there the first time in the trip, before flying to the Eastern Cape. That might have been another incident, but I didn't really pay that much attention to it ( the first incident), thinking that maybe someone was checking windows to make sure that they were all closed. In Wayne's case he was yelling "help, help, help me", while the thugs were trying to come through the window. Bottom line: Be on the alert, no matter where you are or where you stay while in Joburg. No place is totally safe and secure."
     

  9. Pheroze

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    ...unless you are a former South African Olympian....
     

  10. sestoppelman

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    If a person feels legitimately threatened and in fear of their life and not just feeling their oats, deadly force should be used REGARDLESS the laws of wherever one happens to be. My grandpa had a couple of good sayings. "never shoot anybody unless you are prepared to die for the reason", and "rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6".
     
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  11. Upton O. Good

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    I cannot imagine wanting to be in a situation in South Africa or Zimbabwe trying to explain why I shot a guy in my room, self defense or not. TIA would rule in the situation and I've had my share of TIA already.

    If, and when, I return to South Africa, I'll stay at the airport.
     

  12. wesheltonj

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    because he or she is not interested in justice,only in a feather in their hat.the hell with the victim or family of same.
     

  14. sestoppelman

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    No one wants to be in that situation, but sometimes we find ourselves in them thru no fault of our own. If push comes to shove, I refer to the above, grandpa's second saying...
     

  15. Edge

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    Response from AfricaSky:

    Dear Edward,


    Thank you so much for this info‼


    Yes, sadly AfricaSky, and our family and the Guest involved became part of the terrible statistics of living in Africa. We have security guards on duty every day and we belong to the local armed response company called CMS. Thanks to their quick response the robbers were not able to enter the room but very unfortunately made their way there.

    We have now extended our alarm system to cover not only the inside of our perimeters but also security beams on the outside and added security lights on the walls. When a person comes to close to our walls on the outside, our alarm goes off at CMS’s offices and they send out the armed officers.

    We believe that the outside alarm would give the response company those extra couple of minutes to reach us before these intruders can break their way in again and would notify our own security before the property is entered.


    This is the main reason AfricaSky does not have signage on our vehicles transporting guests and we have NO advertisements on the roads leading to us either. Guests are being followed and robbed even in front of the big hotels in Sandton. We encourage all arriving guests NOT to change money at the airport on arrival as there are “people” inside the airport tipping of the robbers on the outside who then follows guests to their destination.

    We have been running on the new security system the past 3 weeks, testing our response unit and we are very happy with the service we receive from them. The safety of our guests and staff members staying at AfricaSky is our top priority and we trust with the new upgraded security all will go well. We are in the process of installing emergency buttons in the rooms. These buttons are linked directly to security and medical services. We are just very thankful that the intruders couldn’t get into the room and that the guest wasn’t harmed – just very very sorry for the emotional stress this incident caused our guest, ourselves and our staff!


    If you would be so kind to copy this response to those links it would be greatly appreciated!



    Kind Regards,


    Deidre Bekker


    AfricaSky Guest House

    Front Office Manager

    Reservations:- +27 (82) 7490674

    Email: africasky@mweb.co.za

    Website: www.africasky.co.za
     

  16. Shootist43

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    It sounds like AfricaSky has taken steps to improve their security. I'd like to hear from some of the "security" and or law enforcement professionals on AH if there are other improvements that can be made. Myself I was thinking about them having "in-house" security with canines. A well trained "pooch" has saved a lot of butts in the past.
     

  17. CAustin

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  18. Brent in Az

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    They need a grassroots movement, in the right direction.
     
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  19. CAustin

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    No doubt they do need such a movement. My question to Simon was is there even a real possibility of such a thing taking place. If we are hearing more and more about violence in that country......what must it actually be like?
    The only guest house I have stayed in has been the Lombardy which has on premise security and a 12 foot fence around the compound! Essentially I have been in the company of my outfitterthe last three trips and not used a guest house.
     

  20. PHOENIX PHIL

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    Neither a LEO or security professional, but I'm thinking bars on all windows large enough for a person to come through would be a proper addition.
     

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