.375 should be banned from buffalo hunts!

[Odinsraven]

Click bait - thought this site was better than that - Doctari culled 650 Buff with 9.3x62- so QED - as said thought this site was better than allowing clickbait ! Clearly not !

 

[Tanks]

Hunting is a pursuit that requires practical skills in shooting and more skill in tactics.

And the .375 will take anything that walks the earth.

How many DG have you taken with a .375 in Africa? Would you face an elephant charge with one?

 

[Sarg]

Different subject but I must agree on old time writers making them selves famous by writing books on themselves, no doubt there were many hunters/shooters as good or better that kept out of the lime light ?

On trick shots or amazing skills , I have had some amazing pistol shooters as clients, on Bow Hunters Tim Wells & Bob Markworth were/are turly amazing with a Bow, running game, flying game no problem far more hits than misses, astounding actually !

Tim goes to Argentina & shoots flying Doves !

Then you have Toepperwein & his wife - Tom Frye - Ed McGivein & many others, some people are incredible !

 

[RR 314]

How many DG have you taken with a .375 in Africa? Would you face an elephant charge with one?

How many DG have you taken with a .375 in Africa? Would you face an elephant charge with one?

I killed a heck of a bushbuck with a .375. I heard horror stories of those dangerous little rascals. . I would face an elephant charge with a .375 if that is all that I had, but am still relatively fleet of foot (over short distances).

 

[Tanks]

I killed a heck of a bushbuck with a .375. I heard horror stories of those dangerous little rascals. . I would face an elephant charge with a .375 if that is all that I had, but am still relatively fleet of foot (over short distances).

First, my comment was not directed at you. Second, I have been charged by an elephant, at the distance you are aware of the charge he will catch up, they move very deceptively fast (25 mph) for such a large animal.

 

[grand veneur]

I killed a heck of a bushbuck with a .375. I heard horror stories of those dangerous little rascals. . I would face an elephant charge with a .375 if that is all that I had, but am still relatively fleet of foot (over short distances).

Sure, if you have nothing else, you can stop an attack with a rifle caliber 375 H&H Magnum, at least to try it. A friend of mine and PH in Malaysia killed a charging Asian elephant with the cartridge 9,3x74R because he had nothing else at hand. He usually used a rifle caliber 460 Weatherby Magnum for DG hunting and backup, based on his experience.

As for fleet of foot, as @Tanks wrote, the elephant will catch up you very quickly. You can initially by running away try to gain some distance to have some time to prepare you to repel the attack and perhaps to kill the elephant. In all cases it is better to use a rifle that has some more stopping power. Our friend Bell also seems to have carried in addition something stronger as his rifle caliber 7x57 with him.

 

[RR 314]

Sorry boys. No more attempts at humor. Carry on.

 

[mark-hunter]

Sure, if you have nothing else, you can stop an attack with a rifle caliber 375 H&H Magnum, at least to try it. A friend of mine and PH in Malaysia killed a charging Asian elephant with the cartridge 9,3x74R because he had nothing else at hand. He usually used a rifle caliber 460 Weatherby Magnum for DG hunting and backup, based on his experience.

Malaysia has opened hunting and moreover opened DG hunting? Could you provide more details? Which outfitters are there? etc

 

[DieJager]

Malaysia has opened hunting and moreover opened DG hunting? Could you provide more details? Which outfitters are there? etc

Only DG available is water buffalo and saltwater crocodile. Yes it is open to hunting. Elephant not though.

 

[Foxi]

I don't believe everything Bell said and there are very experienced elephant hunters who also have some doubts about whether everything always went as well as he tell it. Bell and his elephants is a topic in itself. He is still very often quoted when it comes to choosing a cartridge for elephant hunting, above all by hunter who have never shot an elephant before.

My -black-PHs in Zimbabwe have never heard of Bell and his colleagues.
These are stories from and for the Western world.
But they were previously in Hangwe/Game Management for over 20 years, and one of them alone shot 500 elephants in .375 with cheap PMP ammunition. Zimbabwe is .375 country and .458
Avaliable ammunition(sometimes)

 

[grand veneur]

Malaysia has opened hunting and moreover opened DG hunting? Could you provide more details? Which outfitters are there? etc

That was more than 30 years ago.

 

[grand veneur]

Only DG available is water buffalo and saltwater crocodile. Yes it is open to hunting. Elephant not though.

I read something like that somewhere, but it seems strange to me because it was also not easy at time to hunt in Malaysia. All depended on the connections at the highest levels of a PH there. But that could be the case. Nevertheless, I would always make sure that everything is done legally, because the laws in Malaysia, especially regarding gun ownership, are very strict and the penalties are accordingly.

 

[KMG Hunting Safaris]

Only DG available is water buffalo and saltwater crocodile. Yes it is open to hunting. Elephant not though.

Water Buffalo should be in the same DG category as Friesland and Jersey Cows.

 

[grand veneur]

Water Buffalo should be in the same DG category as Friesland and Jersey Cows.

There were still wild buffalo back then, but in Southeast Asia, the transition from tame to wild is fluid. For thousands of years, animals have been tamed and then become wild again, wild animals have been captured to be tamed,...and so on. This applies to the water buffalo as well as the Asian elephant.

 

[DieJager]

I read something like that somewhere, but it seems strange to me because it was also not easy at time to hunt in Malaysia. All depended on the connections at the highest levels of a PH there. But that could be the case. Nevertheless, I would always make sure that everything is done legally, because the laws in Malaysia, especially regarding gun ownership, are very strict and the penalties are accordingly.

There are some reportable agencies like HuntGeo and Malepartus that offer hunts over there. Saw Malepartus and their booth on Jagd und Hund this year and previous years with this offering.

It is definitely not a budget option for sure.

 

[steve white]

There were still wild buffalo back then, but in Southeast Asia, the transition from tame to wild is fluid. For thousands of years, animals have been tamed and then become wild again, wild animals have been captured to be tamed,...and so on. This applies to the water buffalo as well as the Asian elephant.

A domestic hog turned loose to root hog or die will in one generation become feral and give birth to striped, wild hogs.

 

[grand veneur]

There are some reportable agencies like HuntGeo and Malepartus that offer hunts over there. Saw Malepartus and their booth on Jagd und Hund this year and previous years with this offering.

It is definitely not a budget option for sure.

Seems like a serious offer. I know the hunting area on the Malaysia Peninsula. We were already hunting in the Jerantut/Pahang area back then. Sarawak maybe, but I would not go to Sabah on Borneo. There are a lot of pirate who now call themselves Islamic fighters.

 

[358 Norma]

I don't believe everything Bell said and there are very experienced elephant hunters who also have some doubts about whether everything always went as well as he tell it. Bell and his elephants is a topic in itself. He is still very often quoted when it comes to choosing a cartridge for elephant hunting, above all by hunter who have never shot an elephant before.

Usually right after saying they are going to use thier old 45-70 for Elephant.

 

[BlackRhino]

@375Fox
Thanks for uploading Karl Stumpe`s article "Is bigger always better"! I think this contribution greatly helps to objectify the discussion.

 

[Red Leg]

There were still wild buffalo back then, but in Southeast Asia, the transition from tame to wild is fluid. For thousands of years, animals have been tamed and then become wild again, wild animals have been captured to be tamed,...and so on. This applies to the water buffalo as well as the Asian elephant.

Interestingly, for several centuries it also applied to the African elephant - at least those subspecies that could be captured and trained by the Carthaginians. Hannibal used them with limited effectiveness against Rome during the Punic Wars. In 218 he famously marched his war elephants over the Alps into Northern Italy.