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The statement "Tax the Rich" refers to increasing the marginal tax rate on higher incomes. The more you make, the higher the rate you pay.

The tax rate increases from 22% to 24%, so we only pay 2% additional tax on higher income. The right tries to claim that everything you make gets taxed at that higher percentage, it doesn't. And contrary to what @Hunter-Habib claimed, and @rookhawk has tried to claim previously, a higher marginal tax rate does not discourage work.



Your federal income taxes are stratified by how much you make.
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For the self-employed, add 15.3% in self-employment tax, which applies to the first dollar of income.

And “Self-employment Tax” is the IRS’s term for it:

 
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DC residents get to vote in presidential elections so they are not without any representation.
You must have missed that day in school where they talked about which branch of government has the power of the purse. This is where we get to play another round of the game "Ignorant or Idiot?"
I guess you have accepted the stupid part.
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My friend, you are leaving out the increase in FICA and Medicare taxes. I have to presume thats a joint income, so neither will max out the FICA “contribution.”
You're right, that 0.9% increase in Medicare Tax would make all the difference.
How about taxing the poor too, by having a flat tax, so everyone has skin in the game. Or do you not like that part of socialism. Karl would be proud.
You're still confused about what Socialism is. That's ok, most people on here don't understand it. Apparently both misery and ignorance love company. Here's a quick reference guide for you.

 
Hahaha......I like it. I finally hit that ignore button and I don't have to see useless drivel from a deranged Ideologue. When I look at new posts it says an ignored member posted and I don't have to see it.
I think more of you should do this and then this politics thread could get back to some reasonable discussions.
 
You're right, that 0.9% increase in Medicare Tax would make all the difference.

You're still confused about what Socialism is. That's ok, most people on here don't understand it. Apparently both misery and ignorance love company. Here's a quick reference guide for you.

Your still missing FICA tax on 20k at $1530 per year.

Who do you tax when the government has the means of production and we are all wage slaves under socialism. Oh, that’s right everyone who’s tried it in the past was doing it all wrong. We are so much smarter then those other folks. I’ve heard this BS for the last 50 years.

Maybe with that big after tax income increase we can expect you to actually make a hunt report?
 
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The same was true of the founding fathers then. I'm pretty sure they were free to move somewhere else as well if they were worried about representation.
Yeah, because it was real easy to move back to Europe in the 1700s. Just hop on a plane to Europe or load the U-haul and drive to Mexico or Canada. :V Sword Fight:
 
Hahaha......I like it. I finally hit that ignore button and I don't have to see useless drivel from a deranged Ideologue. When I look at new posts it says an ignored member posted and I don't have to see it.
I think more of you should do this and then this politics thread could get back to some reasonable discussions.

Yeah just followed Suit..... :D Beers:
 
You're right, that 0.9% increase in Medicare Tax would make all the difference.

You're still confused about what Socialism is. That's ok, most people on here don't understand it. Apparently both misery and ignorance love company. Here's a quick reference guide for you.

Americas love with socialism.

 
I’ve got nothing to add here really. I see that the local Marxist is at it again agitating.

Something I find interesting to point out.. (I had to view blocked comments to see it, but it was there) Marxists sure don’t hesitate to show a complete lack of respect for their elders and more experienced people they find themselves debating. Just a lot of rage and seething from it’s comments.

Maybe I’m wrong. Only an observation. Carry on.
 
Hey Perfesser Dontario Kneeshooter (Doc), I see that the US just removed its tankers from Mildenhall airbase in the UK after a group of teenagers in a van were observed joyriding in a neighborhood near the base. Any insights you care to share?
 
The statement "Tax the Rich" refers to increasing the marginal tax rate on higher incomes. The more you make, the higher the rate you pay.

The tax rate increases from 22% to 24%, so we only pay 2% additional tax on higher income. The right tries to claim that everything you make gets taxed at that higher percentage, it doesn't. And contrary to what @Hunter-Habib claimed, and @rookhawk has tried to claim previously, a higher marginal tax rate does not discourage work.



Your federal income taxes are stratified by how much you make.
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I know it discourages work, because I know the amount of effort required to make $250k versus $500k. The languishing 37 hour work weeks, the 6 weeks of vacation you use whenever you wish, the 20% bonus that is auto-delivered for having a pulse, the 401k auto-match to your max income, etc. Then you go to the second camp, that $250k guy's manager. 80-100 hour work weeks. Forfeit your vacation every year and lose most of it, or get fired for stepping away from the company for 2 days. Every day you sign documents that have to be materially correct to avoid prosecution, yet your bonus is predicated on giving the firm the rosiest outlook possible to lenders, partners, and shareholders.

The first $250k is much easier than the second $250k, the third $250k is nearly impossible, and those that make a full $1m are 99% of the time owners.

So any highly skilled professional currently making say the ~$500k is already performing twice the work of the $250k subordinate while carrying a tremendous risk-premium. You know what happens when the effort, taxation, and risk of the higher paid position becomes too great? The w2 guy making $500k just quits corporate, becomes an LLC, makes $250k a year working half-ass the time comparatively, and via deductions and clever tax planning pays almost no taxes.

That's what the disincentives breed, but you'd never know this because you've never personally experienced what it takes to produce enough value to be compensated at those kinds of numbers.
 
I know it discourages work, because I know the amount of effort required to make $250k versus $500k. The languishing 37 hour work weeks, the 6 weeks of vacation you use whenever you wish, the 20% bonus that is auto-delivered for having a pulse, the 401k auto-match to your max income, etc. Then you go to the second camp, that $250k guy's manager. 80-100 hour work weeks. Forfeit your vacation every year and lose most of it, or get fired for stepping away from the company for 2 days. Every day you sign documents that have to be materially correct to avoid prosecution, yet your bonus is predicated on giving the firm the rosiest outlook possible to lenders, partners, and shareholders.

The first $250k is much easier than the second $250k, the third $250k is nearly impossible, and those that make a full $1m are 99% of the time owners.

So any highly skilled professional currently making say the ~$500k is already performing twice the work of the $250k subordinate while carrying a tremendous risk-premium. You know what happens when the effort, taxation, and risk of the higher paid position becomes too great? The w2 guy making $500k just quits corporate, becomes an LLC, makes $250k a year working half-ass the time comparatively, and via deductions and clever tax planning pays almost no taxes.

That's what the disincentives breed, but you'd never know this because you've never personally experienced what it takes to produce enough value to be compensated at those kinds of numbers.
So true. My first three years in the corporate world I was forced to sell stocks (a major portion of our compensation) at short term gains rates to pay my annual taxes and quarterlies, before finally building enough cash equity. In the twelve years I was with the company, my annual cash bonus - never went to anything but taxes.

Add to that, a job running a significant P&L effort was every bit as much a 24/7 expectation as had been the military - simply less unpredictable travel. Though the predictable travel was bad enough. And you are so correct, work those hours and do a billion in sales with your own business, and you are an extremely wealthy individual. Do that in a major corporation and your are an IRS honey hole. As I noted above, I retired three years before I had to do so once we had established a secure second retirement.

One other very valid point that you make. The half life of an appointed VP in major corporations is about five years before a reorganization, customer shake up, or new supervising officer ends the appointment. A director, on the other hand, has a comparatively secure position.
 
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Yeah, because it was real easy to move back to Europe in the 1700s. Just hop on a plane to Europe or load the U-haul and drive to Mexico or Canada. :V Sword Fight:
I suspect "representation" was pretty shitty in Mexico and Canada at that time as well. ;-)
 
One other very valid point that you make. The half life of an appointed VP in major corporations is about five years before a reorganization, customer shake up, or new supervising officer ends the appointment. A director, on the other hand, has a comparatively secure position.

It's worse than that at present @Red Leg I've held one of the three C-suite titles over the last 20 years that can put you in prison for making mistatements worse-case, and put you out of your career forever best-case if things are "off sides". (and in our highly regulatory ecosystem 99.9% of firms are indeed "off sides")

My particular career choice happens to have an average 18 month tenure in the USA. Anything goes bump in the night, the paltry RSUs and PSUs you've been awarded during employment is cliff vested at a value of ZERO. Average time to find another job at that level is 9-12 months if you're an excellent candidate that writes 500 backdoor letters for open job Reqs.

CFOs, CTOs, CIOs, life expectancy on a job is marginally better, but nowhere near the five-year norms you cite from your experiences a decade ago.
 
Very early in my engineering career with a major oil company, a boss told me something that at first puzzled me. He said, "We make too much to ever get rich." Huh? What? Then he explained: We were paid very good and had great benefits. We were comfortable and had it much better than others. Why would anyone leave a great job like this? Forty years later, I am comfortable in retirement and have no regrets, but colleagues who left the company and went out on their own did an order of magnitude better. The oil business is one of the ultimate risk reward professions.
 
show a complete lack of respect for their elders and more experienced people they find themselves debating.
Respect is like trust, it must be earned. I give back what is given to me. The majority of the right-wingers on here immediately insulted and shit talked me rather than engage in a debate. I’m not going to automatically respect you because your birthday is before mine.
 

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