WSJ Growing Push To Protect Trophy Hunting In Africa

Mark A Ouellette · Sunday at 4:39 AM

The Growing Push to Protect Trophy Hunting in Africa

[td]By Nicholas Bariyo

Western animal-rights groups are pushing to ban hunting-trophy imports, but are facing opposition from African countries renowned for protecting wildlife
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Garciamarquez1918 · Sunday at 9:32 AM

From the article:

Airlines, including Delta Air Lines, United Airlines, KLM, British Airways and Air France, now refuse to transport hunting trophies.

One has to wonder what would happen to Delta's ATL>JNB service if hunters stopped using it, as we probably should.

Ontario Hunter · Sunday at 9:46 AM

Garciamarquez1918 said:
From the article:

Airlines, including Delta Air Lines, United Airlines, KLM, British Airways and Air France, now refuse to transport hunting trophies.

One has to wonder what would happen to Delta's ATL>JNB service if hunters stopped using it, as we probably should.

Are they stopping transport as freight or checked baggage? I didn't have any problems bringing back a small crate of three plains game skulls as checked baggage on Swiss and Air Canada (except the crate and guns missed the plane back from Zurich).

Perhaps the problem is too many hunters trying to bring back trophies as carryon? My taxidermist in Africa actually thought it was possible! Said they could rig up a soft bag that fit carryon dimensions. Of course it's not possible. My gemsbuck horns could easily have become deadly sabers during a flight.

wildwilderness · Sunday at 10:14 AM

Delta won’t ship Big 5 animals via cargo

Xpraetor · Sunday at 4:11 PM

Ontario Hunter said:
Are they stopping transport as freight or checked baggage? I didn't have any problems bringing back a small crate of three plains game skulls as checked baggage on Swiss and Air Canada (except the crate and guns missed the plane back from Zurich).

Perhaps the problem is too many hunters trying to bring back trophies as carryon? My taxidermist in Africa actually thought it was possible! Said they could rig up a soft bag that fit carryon dimensions. Of course it's not possible. My gemsbuck horns could easily have become deadly sabers during a flight.

Based on the WSJ report this is now a new policy, and more than likely due to the optics of the Nov elections in the USA. There are a plethora of anti-hunting, anti-firearm rhetoric that is attached to many of the candidates who won elections. So, a sudden change in air travel policies is not surprising given past antics of corporations to align with the political views of which ever of the 2 party system that has gained "power" ....

Sabre · Sunday at 4:33 PM

Xpraetor said:
Based on the WSJ report this is now a new policy, and more than likely due to the optics of the Nov elections in the USA. There are a plethora of anti-hunting, anti-firearm rhetoric that is attached to many of the candidates who won elections. So, a sudden change in air travel policies is not surprising given past antics of corporations to align with the political views of which ever of the 2 party system that has gained "power" ....

I don't see any other "news" about delta stopping all hunting trophies except that report saying they are part of a group of airlines that won't ship hunting trophies.

If the goal of Delta was to look a certain way before elections, you'd think it would be publicized and not show up as an obscure mention after the elections already happened.

It's possible it is a new policy. However, I would think a more likely scenario is the writer confounded shipping big 5 trophies and shipping all hunting trophies. WSJ has also been pretty heavily left leaning from the vast majority of articles I have seen from them. So, I would also think it might be stated that way as a sort of confirmation bias by the author and to help bolster the appearance of support on the anti-hunting side of things.

Hopefully Delta has not stopped shipping all hunting trophies as they were generally cheaper than other airlines and the Atlanta hub was a benefit when bringing them back.

I was also told about a week ago that Turkish airlines stopped shipping trophies, despite the fact that they just shipped mine during the same time they supposedly weren't shipping any.

kpoynter · Sunday at 4:34 PM

Ontario Hunter said:
Are they stopping transport as freight or checked baggage? I didn't have any problems bringing back a small crate of three plains game skulls as checked baggage on Swiss and Air Canada (except the crate and guns missed the plane back from Zurich).

Perhaps the problem is too many hunters trying to bring back trophies as carryon? My taxidermist in Africa actually thought it was possible! Said they could rig up a soft bag that fit carryon dimensions. Of course it's not possible. My gemsbuck horns could easily have become deadly sabers during a flight.

No… it’s Air Freight

Roller · Sunday at 4:42 PM

From the article : “Hunting an elephant in Zimbabwe can cost as much as $60,000, while a permit to shoot a buffalo is around $50,000 and an impala kill is priced at $20,000, according to wildlife authorities” . Damn , I guess I got a hell of a bargain on that buffalo and “impala kill” .

Sabre · Sunday at 4:43 PM

The article also says, "...Canada prohibit importation of African hunting trophies like heads and skins, and pressure is mounting in the U.K. and Germany to follow suit."

Canada often has more lax rules on African hunting trophies than the US.

So again, I wouldn't take everything written in this article as gospel.

Xpraetor · Sunday at 4:47 PM

Sabre said:
I don't see any other "news" about delta stopping all hunting trophies except that report saying they are part of a group of airlines that won't ship hunting trophies.

If the goal of Delta was to look a certain way before elections, you'd think it would be publicized and not show up as an obscure mention after the elections already happened.

It's possible it is a new policy. However, I would think a more likely scenario is the writer confounded shipping big 5 trophies and shipping all hunting trophies. WSJ has also been pretty heavily left leaning from the vast majority of articles I have seen from them. So, I would also think it might be stated that way as a sort of confirmation bias by the author and to help bolster the appearance of support on the anti-hunting side of things.

Hopefully Delta has not stopped shipping all hunting trophies as they were generally cheaper than other airlines and the Atlanta hub was a benefit when bringing them back.

I was also told about a week ago that Turkish airlines stopped shipping trophies, despite the fact that they just shipped mine during the same time they supposedly weren't shipping any.

Point taken, and I was being generous in assuming the article writer performed due diligence in compiling information. And all of it can be just wishful thinking of the anti- groups .... Despite, the cessation of transporting Big 5 is just another foreboding of things to come.

Roller · Sunday at 4:48 PM

The state of “journalism “ is embarrassingly pathetic these days .

LimbNoMo · Sunday at 4:50 PM

There seem to be quite a few inaccuracies in this article.

coreydb · Monday at 5:09 AM

All my trophies have been transported by Turkish Airlines and Lufthansa. I can't say anything about the others addressed in this string, but I'll continue to fly United until I die......my daughter works for them and I don't want her coming back home to live.....

Mark A Ouellette · Monday at 5:19 AM

Roller said:
From the article : “Hunting an elephant in Zimbabwe can cost as much as $60,000, while a permit to shoot a buffalo is around $50,000 and an impala kill is priced at $20,000, according to wildlife authorities” . Damn , I guess I got a hell of a bargain on that buffalo and “impala kill” .

Sabre said:
The article also says, "...Canada prohibit importation of African hunting trophies like heads and skins, and pressure is mounting in the U.K. and Germany to follow suit."

Canada often has more lax rules on African hunting trophies than the US.

So again, I wouldn't take everything written in this article as gospel.

Roller said:
The state of “journalism “ is embarrassingly pathetic these days .

Yes, the subject article is technically inaccurate.
I was however impressed that a major newspaper published a pro-trophy hunting article. While not "hunting is great", the overall facts of African countries want trophy hunters to boost their economies. Additionally that countries with hunting have more animals than countries that banned hunting.
A non-hunter may read this and develop a more positive view on African trophy hunting.

PARA45 · Monday at 7:01 AM

@Mark A Ouellette, good point!

Delta stopped transporting Big-5 cargo way back before the mid-terms. Delta will transport any other animals that are not big 5. Their CEOs are all woke, told by a good friend who was a Delta Capt. and is now retired.

We as hunters should be the loudest voice, and as hunters we have the duty to educate those who don't know better. Show the pictures of people waiting to get some meat from the elephant taken, show pictures of their huts, show those who don't know how African live. Educate them. Oh, and if you have kids, take them hunting and pass along our passion, they are the future of hunting.

Garciamarquez1918 · Monday at 7:01 AM

Mark A Ouellette said:
Yes, the subject article is technically inaccurate.
I was however impressed that a major newspaper published a pro-trophy hunting article. While not "hunting is great", the overall facts of African countries want trophy hunters to boost their economies. Additionally that countries with hunting have more animals than countries that banned hunting.
A non-hunter may read this and develop a more positive view on African trophy hunting.

Yes, I forwarded it to several non-hunting but open-minded friends.

Garciamarquez1918 · Monday at 7:04 AM

PARA45 said:
@Mark A Ouellette, good point!

Delta stopped transporting Big-5 cargo way back before the mid-terms. Delta will transport any other animals that are not big 5. Their CEOs are all woke, told by a good friend who was a Delta Capt. and is now retired.

We as hunters should be the loudest voice, and as hunters we have the duty to educate those who don't know better. Show the pictures of people waiting to get some meat from the elephant taken, show pictures of their huts, show those who don't know how African live. Educate them. Oh, and if you have kids, take them hunting and pass along our passion, they are the future of hunting.

Agreed -- I also think we should emphasize the point that this is the global north trying to control how the global south uses their natural resources. First of all it's true and second I think that's a line of argument that can help pull waverers to our side.

Hunt anything · Monday at 3:48 PM

My plains game trophies are on Delta 201 as I type this, Delta and other domestic airlines stopped shipping Big 5 trophies following the “Cecil” the lion debacle. My Mozambique buffalo taken in 2014 was one of the last Big 5 to be flown by Delta.

Bill Thom · Monday at 3:54 PM

on related note ..... I have heard that there is some talk from the newly empowered on capital hill about ways to rein in the pro-outdoorsman stance of USFWS by shinking their budget and delaying disbursements of pre agreed funding. A consequence of this would be a dramatic slowdown in the case by case approval process needed for some big cats and elephant trophies. It is a credible (but speculative) argument. If you follow that line of reasoning a trophy legally hunted in 2027 like a late season ele and awaiting taxidermy and importation approval could be locked out of US- if the delay pushed the approvals till after nxt presidential election. any thoughts ?

Corylax18 · Monday at 4:14 PM

Bill Thom said:
on related note ..... I have heard that there is some talk from the newly empowered on capital hill about ways to rein in the pro-outdoorsman stance of USFWS by shinking their budget and delaying disbursements of pre agreed funding. A consequence of this would be a dramatic slowdown in the case by case approval process needed for some big cats and elephant trophies. It is a credible (but speculative) argument. If you follow that line of reasoning a trophy legally hunted in 2027 like a late season ele and awaiting taxidermy and importation approval could be locked out of US- if the delay pushed the approvals till after nxt presidential election. any thoughts ?

USFWS budget has fallen every year under Trump and he mandated staffing cuts of over 30% during his first year in office. In FY23 they received $1.77B in discretionary funding, the executive request for next FY is $1.33B. You seem to be worried about newly elected democrats doing what Trump is already doing.

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