The .458 I thought I'd never own...

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Hey everyone,

I thought I'd post a pic or 2 of my latest .458 Win Mag, and what's special is I thought I'd never own it.

It was one of several rifles owned by the late Bob Penfold, who ran Hunt Australia, one of Australia's premier hunting safari companies.
Bob was known as "the grandfather of the big game hunting industry of the South Pacific".

He had a rifle built known as 'Black Max', a M98 Mauser with a 22" Magnaported barrel chambered in .458WM. This rifle got it's name as it was all painted black.
Then he had 3 more built, based on his original rifle.
Then he had several more built to the same specifications that were used around the various camps by the guides and visiting clients.

Bob retired (and has since passed away, RIP), and Hunt Australia was then run by a fellow named Matt, who took over. Unfortunately, Matt passed away suddenly at a young age, and Hunt Australia then ceased to exist.
When Hunt Australia ended, the equipment – including the rifles – was sold off. I heard about this and immediately put my hand up for one of Bob's .458's.
While I was waiting, a brand new Zastava .458 became available, so I bought that instead. That rifle served me well, but I always regretted not getting one of Bob Penfold's rifles...

A few weeks ago on an Australian hunting forum, randomly someone said they owned one. I immediately messaged him and asked if he was interested in selling, but he wasn't. But he did tell me someone else who owned one, and maybe they would?
I contacted this person, and they were 50/50 on whether they'd sell or not.
I absolutely hounded this person (who I kind of knew) mercilessly until they eventually gave in and sold! And as a bonus, he only live a few hours from me so no postage... I just drove down and picked it up in person!

So now, I finally own one of Bob Penfold's rifles...

I need to mention that the reason I wanted one of these rifles so bad was because I'd read about 'Black Max' and these other rifles in magazines growing up.
I'd read about them and thought to myself how cool it would be to own one... and now I do.

When I picked it up, it looked like this...

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It now looks like this... everything done by me.

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When I first got it, it shot like this...

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After a scrubbing with Sweets and a bronze brush – and using my usual .458 load consisting of the 480gn Woodleigh RNSP and 2206H, it now shoots 3 shots like this at 50m...

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I got good speed with this load too. In the stubby 21" Magnaported barrel I got this...

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The scope that came with this rifle – the very same one that has lived on this rifle from the start – isn't the same one in the pic. The original scope is a Leupold 1.5-5x and the scope in the pic is a Leupold M8 4 power.
The reason for this is the original scope is being refurbished by Leupold. Life on a .458 for a scope – regardless of brand – is a hard one, and I just wanted it freshened up before I started seriously hunting with it. The 4 power is only a temporary scope until the original is back.

So this .458 is number 6... and this one is a keeper. I let one of these rifles slip through my fingers years ago, and I'm not making that mistake again.
Rather miraculously, I managed to locate 2 of them, and even more miraculously, I actually managed to buy one.

My plan was to load the 450 gn Atomic-29 copper hollow-point in it. I was going to aim for a velocity of around 2200 fps. That I thought to myself would be a potent load. But as the 480gn Woodleighs seem to shoot well in it, I'll use them for the moment. 2123fps with a 480gn projectile sounds pretty potent too...

So there it is, .458 number 6.
And even though the .458WM is my favourite cartridge, I never thought I'd get another one when I sold my last Zastava... but then again, I never thought I'd track one of Bob Penfold's rifles down...

I just need to blood it now, so keep your eyes peeled...

Russ

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Hey Russ, apologies for not responding to your message earlier.

I want to say you've done really very well with this old gat.
Good to see it go to someone who'll appreciate it and use it.
Great work on that stock, it looks new.

You'll get great service from this rifle.
A good .458 Win mag always makes good sense.
Most any 400gn or 450gn soft point will work well on Sambar.
There'll be no tracking required.

Well done.
Looking forward to seeing it used out in the bush.

Stay well.
PaulT.
 
Well done mate. Looking for new posts to read and saw the title. I thought could this be?
I remember you telling me you were chasing one of these when we caught up recently.
Glad you got what you wanted and it has history and a lot of meaning to you.
Credit goes to your wife for being your biggest supporter.
.458 number 6, hold onto this one.
Get some practice in with your Sambar stopper while you are saving for that Buffalo hunt.
 
Great work on brining an old rifle back into shape and using it in the field. All as it should be.

The accuracy and velocity of your loads will definitely work on the game in Australia, and Africa as well. (y)
 
Not this one…
Just picked up a Weatherby MkV in .300wby at the same time as the .458… that’s not going anywhere either.
Russ, can I hold you to that?

I’m pretty sure you said something like “the .458win mag is my best favourite cartridge, I’m never going to sell it“

Sorry if I misquoted you but it sounded pretty close.

Is this .300 magnum number 3 since I’ve known you?

Enjoy them all, looking forward to to catching up when we can.

I was 40km from Bob the other day . Should’ve called him a day earlier but I was visiting family. Most importantly Number 1 grandson.
 
Hi Chris,

I probably did say that... but in my defence I have had to sell a few because of family/financial/sickness reasons...
That's the reason I sold my Winchester M70 .458 – and I LOVED that rifle.
But life goes on...

As far as .30 cal magnums go, I've owned;
4 x .300 WMs,
2 x .300WBYs
1 x .308 Norma
And the last .300WM I owned, I really liked. I actually liked everything about it, and I was never going to sell it.
And then my absolute dream rifle came up for sale, a Weatherby MkV in .300WBY. It was owned by a mate, and he was selling it at an insanely good price.
But I still wasn't prepared to sell my .300WM because I liked it that much.
But then I found out that a well-known Australian gun writer/hunting identity previously owned it, and I'd read about this actual rifle in action at both Australia and Africa in various magazines.
When I found that out, I sold my .300WM and bought the Weatherby.
Even then, I still didn't really want to sell the win mag, but I couldn't have both...

I've never owned an MkV, and as I said, it was a bucket list rife (that I wasn't seriously ever expecting to get), but I own it now, and I'm very impressed.
I messaged the previous owner, and he gave me his load ta he used, and I've booked in a guided hunt to give it a good field test.

So from now on I'm not going to say another word about never buying/selling another rifle! :ROFLMAO:

Russ
 
Hi Chris,

I probably did say that... but in my defence I have had to sell a few because of family/financial/sickness reasons...
That's the reason I sold my Winchester M70 .458 – and I LOVED that rifle.
But life goes on...

As far as .30 cal magnums go, I've owned;
4 x .300 WMs,
2 x .300WBYs
1 x .308 Norma
And the last .300WM I owned, I really liked. I actually liked everything about it, and I was never going to sell it.
And then my absolute dream rifle came up for sale, a Weatherby MkV in .300WBY. It was owned by a mate, and he was selling it at an insanely good price.
But I still wasn't prepared to sell my .300WM because I liked it that much.
But then I found out that a well-known Australian gun writer/hunting identity previously owned it, and I'd read about this actual rifle in action at both Australia and Africa in various magazines.
When I found that out, I sold my .300WM and bought the Weatherby.
Even then, I still didn't really want to sell the win mag, but I couldn't have both...

I've never owned an MkV, and as I said, it was a bucket list rife (that I wasn't seriously ever expecting to get), but I own it now, and I'm very impressed.
I messaged the previous owner, and he gave me his load ta he used, and I've booked in a guided hunt to give it a good field test.

So from now on I'm not going to say another word about never buying/selling another rifle! :ROFLMAO:

Russ
I’m just terrible for remembering stuff like that.

Don’t let it worry you, I prefer to poke fun at Bob.

I fully understand swapping and trading to make ends meet then catching up again on the upside. Done it many times myself

All the reading I did shows the .458 got a bad wrap but with modern powder it’s a thumper.

As always I’m interested in the next chapter.
 
I’m just terrible for remembering stuff like that.

Don’t let it worry you, I prefer to poke fun at Bob.

I fully understand swapping and trading to make ends meet then catching up again on the upside. Done it many times myself

All the reading I did shows the .458 got a bad wrap but with modern powder it’s a thumper.

As always I’m interested in the next chapter.

The .458WM is an awesome cartridge.

I've loaded everything from 300gn up to 550gn and I haven't had a problem with any of them.

The 300s I loaded pretty softly but still got 2600fps, while the 550s were loaded pretty hot at just under 2100fps. Recoil from that last load was very heavy, and while I said it was loaded hot, I never had a problem with excess pressure – even in the Australian summer.

I also got the 450gn Woodleigh Hydros at 2300fps.

I've only ever used AR2206 or BM2 in my .458s, and every single .458 I've owned has been extremely accurate. With the .458, the limiting factor with accuracy is usually the shooter. Shooting the .458 off the bench can be hard work.

I've mentioned it before, when I bought my first .458, it was a CZ550 with the hogsback stock and I was going to LOTT it, but while waiting to drop it in, I did a bit of loading for it as is, and saw that it was no problem to get the velocities I was after... so I left it.
It's since become my favourite cartridge.

I'm just waiting at the moment for my scope to come back from being refurbished, and I'll take it out in the field. Still not sure if I'll stick with the 480's or give the 450 copper Atomics a try... I'll keep you posted.

Finally, and most importantly, CONGRATULATIONS on number 1 grandson Chris! Absolutely fantastic news!

Russ
 
Ser Russ,
You have done very well.
Some images to dress up your thread:

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Jim Shockey guided by PH with a "Penfold .458 WIN MAG" ...
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That's my rifle! :love:

I just can't wait to use it in the field...
As soon as my Leupold comes back from the factory, this will be my Sambar rifle until I can get to the NT to hunt buffalo.
It just feels right to have another .458 in the safe again...

Thank you so much for posting those pics...
 

That’s Peter Harding, he took over the Buff guiding from me when I moved on to other stuff way back.

I carried one of those .458s for years on Buffalo & Banteng, they worked very well, I had one of the lightest ones as I was walking miles back then on Banteng & scouting out spots for Sambar hunts on the Burg.

Just lift there yesterday actually, still a wonderful place & exciting to see my favorite Australian big game species the mighty Banteng Bull !!

Well done on finding one of the old girls, last I saw of them was in an old shipping container at Gan Gan village, all looking very sad !

It was Matt Graham who took over Hunt Australia & passed away way too young & early in life.
 
Hey Sarg,
I bet seeing pics of the ole .458 brought back a lot of fond memories of a time past.

I sometimes wish there was a switch we could flick to go back and live them days all over again.
Arnhemland as a wilderness, and hunting destination, back then, was wild and pure.
As is the "Burg.

Good to hear you're keeping your hand and eye in with regular stints.
 
That’s Peter Harding, he took over the Buff guiding from me when I moved on to other stuff way back.

I carried one of those .458s for years on Buffalo & Banteng, they worked very well, I had one of the lightest ones as I was walking miles back then on Banteng & scouting out spots for Sambar hunts on the Burg.

Just lift there yesterday actually, still a wonderful place & exciting to see my favorite Australian big game species the mighty Banteng Bull !!

Well done on finding one of the old girls, last I saw of them was in an old shipping container at Gan Gan village, all looking very sad !

It was Matt Graham who took over Hunt Australia & passed away way too young & early in life.

That’s Peter Harding, he took over the Buff guiding from me when I moved on to other stuff way back.

I carried one of those .458s for years on Buffalo & Banteng, they worked very well, I had one of the lightest ones as I was walking miles back then on Banteng & scouting out spots for Sambar hunts on the Burg.

Just lift there yesterday actually, still a wonderful place & exciting to see my favorite Australian big game species the mighty Banteng Bull !!

Well done on finding one of the old girls, last I saw of them was in an old shipping container at Gan Gan village, all looking very sad !

It was Matt Graham who took over Hunt Australia & passed away way too young & early in life.

Sarg,

Thank you so much for your input... it is very much appreciated!

I do have a question for you though... what projectiles did you load in the .458s?

I have an old shooting magazine in my collection from many years ago, where Bob Penfold did a story on the original Barnes X bullet.
The story was titled, 'The Magic Bullet'.

In the story he writes that he loaded both the 400gn and the 500gn in the .458s, and while the 400gn was 'satisfactory' and killed the buffalo, the 500gn was much more impressive.
In the story he said the buffalo died with 1 shot, which he said was rare.

In the story he also writes that he deliberately held the velocity of the 500gn bullet to 2000fps, as he said he's never known a buffalo at very close range to ever notice the difference between a 500gn bullet doing 2000fps or 2100fps or 2150fps...
This seems to go against the rule that Barnes X needs to be driven fast...?

Now all this I'm quoting from the article; these are not my words. I'm just recounting what Bob wrote.

So, I always assumed that Bob's .458s shoot the Barnes projectiles, but I was also told from someone who knew Bob well that the rifles fired Woodleighs?

Would you mind clarifying what your experience was?
Did the .458s use the Barnes regularly?
Or did they use Woodleighs?
Oh, and how effective were they against the big stuff? I'm sure they did alright... ;)

Thanks so much mate, I really appreciate your time and input. (y)

Russ
 
Great to see a few members adding to the history and background of this.
 
Sarg,

Thank you so much for your input... it is very much appreciated!

I do have a question for you though... what projectiles did you load in the .458s?

I have an old shooting magazine in my collection from many years ago, where Bob Penfold did a story on the original Barnes X bullet.
The story was titled, 'The Magic Bullet'.

In the story he writes that he loaded both the 400gn and the 500gn in the .458s, and while the 400gn was 'satisfactory' and killed the buffalo, the 500gn was much more impressive.
In the story he said the buffalo died with 1 shot, which he said was rare.

In the story he also writes that he deliberately held the velocity of the 500gn bullet to 2000fps, as he said he's never known a buffalo at very close range to ever notice the difference between a 500gn bullet doing 2000fps or 2100fps or 2150fps...
This seems to go against the rule that Barnes X needs to be driven fast...?

Now all this I'm quoting from the article; these are not my words. I'm just recounting what Bob wrote.

So, I always assumed that Bob's .458s shoot the Barnes projectiles, but I was also told from someone who knew Bob well that the rifles fired Woodleighs?

Would you mind clarifying what your experience was?
Did the .458s use the Barnes regularly?
Or did they use Woodleighs?
Oh, and how effective were they against the big stuff? I'm sure they did alright... ;)

Thanks so much mate, I really appreciate your time and input. (y)

Russ

Hi Russ, back in the day Bob was one of the most famous Aussie Outfitters/hunters & the company had all the famous US hunters hunting with us.

Many companies testing bullets on big game from multiple Buffalo to horses & Donkeys.

The Barnes guys came out & that is how we ended up with a heap of their bullets, the 500gr killed Buffalo better but took up a lot of cartridge space, not sure on his loads, I had some till last year but shot a lot of Buffalo & I don’t think any lift, I’ll check.

Yes we had a lot of Woodleighs in 500gr which I actually prefer over the 480gr as they seemed to me to stop them better, also lots of White Box 500-510gr Winchester ammo which I used extensively, Remington stuff was absolute rubbish & they should of been sued.

Now last year I ran out of my old ammo as so much shooting & I managed to find a box of Norma loaded with 500gr Swift A Frames, it was night & day different, was like hitting them with a .500NE !

This season I was issued a .458 Lott but didn’t shoot anything, ammo costs are so high & not that available I tried extra hard to not have to shoot, also with the Banteng it was less likely that a Bull would run into a Crocodile & Leech (also extra double dose of Mosquitoes) infested swamp just on dark !
 
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Russ,
I have scarfed my images from the internet and screen shots of Jim Shockey videos.
I did a presentation on the "Penfold .458 WIN MAG" over at the 24hrBonfireOfTheVanities on 07/25/2024 posting at the "Square Table" thread.
Hopefully sumbuddy will come forward to take credit for the rifle images.

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Peter with first up client, Jim's Pop, Hal:
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Hal's buffalo down, Peter and Branlin (Jim's son) watch another bull approach the dead one ... Penfold Backup Rifle at the ready ...

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Branlin and Hal with their first bulls:
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Branlin's second bull was taken at a range of about 10 feet:
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Giving the bull a "death watch":
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Closing credits on the video:
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Comment from Jim Shockey:
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Back jacket of Bob Penfold's book in a more legible format:

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