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Social security money is not invested. Current workers are taxed and that money goes to current recipients. Thats one of the misconceptions no one is getting their money back, everyone pays for current recipients while working and is paid by current workers when they reach eligible age.

Trump accounts are also not intended to be retirement accounts. The money is invested on behalf of the newborn and then is available to them when they reach adulthood. It is intended to help them get a start in adult life. They may choose to invest it for retirement which would be wise but they could also use it for education or a house down payment. Or they can just blow it which many will.

I realize that about SS. I'd like to see it phased out as it stands now. The fact that the money is not invested in an account that each person pays into and stays in their name is the problem.

I hope the new Trump accounts are a start in the direction of privatization of SS accounts that GWB talked about.
 
I understand that it is identical. I'm just saying that the intent of Congress and the way it was talked about during the process was not as a retirement plan. It certainly can (and probably should) be used for that, but all of the talking points were about helping kids get a start on adulthood.

That might be what they said, but they lied.

Evidence: it’s a retirement plan that has penalties or taxes on the money if used before 59-1/2.

As I said previously, the only reason to have a Trump account is if you’re already helping your kid max their ROTH each year and you want more tax deferred investments.
 
I realize that about SS. I'd like to see it phased out as it stands now. The fact that the money is not invested in an account that each person pays into and stays in their name is the problem.

I hope the new Trump accounts are a start in the direction of privatization of SS accounts that GWB talked about.
Agree, I remember when George Bush wanted to let people invest some of the SS tax into the stock market but the powers that be at the time threw a hissy fit and it was never adopted.
 
Thanks to whoever first pointed out that these accounts automatically convert to a traditional IRA. Personally I think it's a great idea in general. Give even a well grounded kid a few thousand dollars at age 18 and what do you think would happen? Saddle it with good old American taxation and age rules and the smart ones will hopefully see the value of investing in their own future.

As others have noted there is no reason that I know of that they couldn't structure rollovers to a ROTH while they are still in the early years of earning, if they are earning at all. Structured properly and you should be able to avoid most taxation.

If course there will always those stupid ones that will just take the money, pay the 10% penalty and income taxes, and buy a Lamborghini and/or drugs.
 
This new account seems like a good excuse to raise tuitions even further if it can be used for post secondary
 
That might be what they said, but they lied.

Evidence: it’s a retirement plan that has penalties or taxes on the money if used before 59-1/2.

As I said previously, the only reason to have a Trump account is if you’re already helping your kid max their ROTH each year and you want more tax deferred investments.
They didn't lie. Their hope is that people take the penalty and use the money. The score from JCT assumes a healthy amount of people doing exactly that.

I agree that it is smarter to leave it in but in 18 years I guarantee you'll see Congress encouraging people to take it out and maybe even tweaking the law to do so.
 
Forgive me if my memory is off, but wasn't one of the other contributing factors to the Civil War some dispute over the differences in tariffs between the Northern and Southern shipping ports?

As I recall, the tariffs were for foreign imports but they affected the south greater than the north. ie: A farmer in South Carolina could buy a plow from Cleveland for $50 or a plow from Bristol for $40, shipping included. The tariffs would raise the cost of the Bristol plow to $60 forcing the South to buy from the north. (These numbers are made up and for purpose of example)
 
As I recall, the tariffs were for foreign imports but they affected the south greater than the north. ie: A farmer in South Carolina could buy a plow from Cleveland for $50 or a plow from Bristol for $40, shipping included. The tariffs would raise the cost of the Bristol plow to $60 forcing the South to buy from the north. (These numbers are made up and for purpose of example)
Kind of ironic that southerners are all for tariffs now
 
Trump is pushing for Lindsey Graham's sister to fill his Senate seat.
I don't know anything about her.
 
Trump is pushing for Lindsey Graham's sister to fill his Senate seat.
I don't know anything about her.
That would be a 4 month placeholder. What really matters is who runs in November to replace him.
 
Personally IM a fan of Nathan Bedford Forrest , one of the great Generals the south produced AND I believe an uneducated man ,certainly not an academy grad. That recked havoc and struck fear in the union ranks. Got some bad press after the war but corrected himself later . He was a revered calvary leader of men.

I read the following many years ago but have not been able to verify it since so don’t know the veracity of this story.

Jefferson Davis was asked after the war the most important thing that could have changed the outcome. Davis answered the death of Thomas Jackson and not realizing the true brilliance of N.B. Forrest and promoting him to a position where he could have made a difference until the war was already lost.

If Forrest had a self sustained mobile Brigade or Division acting like a future Sherman, running rampant through Illinois, Indiana, Michigan and Ohio in 1862, Lincoln would have been forced to sue for peace. The 1862 midterms would have been more of a bloodbath than they were.

Probably the greatest sign of his leadership was having 29 horses shot out from under him.
 
Trump talking out his arse again?


This will go over like a lead balloon with the international community. Piracy in a clown's clothing. Does he bother to consult with anybody before posting his crazy bullshit?
Well, if I was a shipper I would rather pay Iran the 1-2% they are asking rather than 20% to USA. Seems like another "throw shit on the wall and see if it sticks" type of statement.

At the end of the day, it is Trump's fault for Iran to want to control Hormuz. Prior to attacks there were no tolls anywhere.
 
Trump is pushing for Lindsey Graham's sister to fill his Senate seat.
I don't know anything about her.
When Hale Boggs from LA disappeared in Alaska back in January 1972 (plane wreckage still not found), he was posthumously reelected to his House seat that November. This allowed the passage of resolution for special election and his wife Lindy won his seat. And she was reelected for eight succeeding elections. Nice lady. I enjoyed myself at a party in her French Quarter home on Mardis Gras Day 1988.

Boggs situation is a bit different than Graham because Boggs wasn't officially declared dead until after the 1972 election.
 
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This new account seems like a good excuse to raise tuitions even further if it can be used for post secondary

It has already been this way with IRAs and ROTH IRAs. Nothing new or different about Trump accounts, they are just an inferior version of the other vehicles.

This is a key point that people seem to miss. The FAFSA application requires data from both the parents and the child applying to college in most cases. The Ivies and a few elites use a different, even more sadistic system for determining "need".

You want your children to be PENNILESS when applying for college. The very worst things you can do for them is either gift them money or allow them to have a balance in a checking or savings account. The kid's money is treated even harsher than the parent's money when it comes to student aid.

This is where well meaning parents have been scammed into doing the stupidest possible thing. NEVER open a 529 plan for your children. It's treated as an asset, thus punishing your kid via higher tuition and less need based aid than if they had no 529 plan at all. Oh, and most 529 plans are corrupt, squander their investors money, and force your kid to attend a limited group of schools.

What is the BEST thing you can do? 1.) The ROTH IRA, 2.) The Traditional IRA, 3.) The Trump Account, 4.) A Generous Grandparent owning a 529 plan.

Those 4 things are NOT disclosable on the FAFSA which means your kid can roll into college applications showing greater need. They can then use the ROTH IRA principle for college untaxed and undisclosed. They can use the growth of the ROTH IRA if taxed, without penalty, for college. (less good) They can use the principle and growth of a Traditional IRA without tax penalty, but they are taxed, for college. (less good) They can use the Trump Account the same as a Traditional IRA for education. (less good) Lastly, they can use a secret, undisclosed 529 plan owned by the Grandparents for college. (pretty good deal if your kid has wealthy grandparents)

If you don't follow these principles, your kid is in for a world of hurt trying to go to college and the parents are going to be on the hook for tremendous sums of money.

Example of how to F' it up your family real bad: Parents own their home, carry no debt. No car payments. You make above $200k as a family, the cutoff number. You save 25% of gross income between 401k and brokerage. Your kids are going to be expected to receive from you, roughly a $90,000 expected family contribution per year, per kid for university. That's full rack-rate tuition at any Ivy League university in the country. ZERO need has been established, you're F'd, even though that is probably more than you spend post-tax to run your household for the whole year. Oh, and your kids can only legally get a $5000 loan in their own name every year, so the system is expecting you as the parent to cough up $85,000 or co-sign a parent plus loan in your name. You make the problem even worse if your kids have any savings. You make the problem much worse if you pay your kids or they work elsewhere beyond the $13,000 poverty line per year. You make it even worse if you have a 529 savings plan.

In the very, very common scenario above what do the institutions expect you to do as a parent? Mortgage your home, sell your primary residence, or co-sign hundreds of thousands in debt for each of your kids. <- That's how the system works.

ROTH IRAs are the #1 shelter that reduces these obligations. Making sure your primary residence has Farm write-offs is probably the 2nd best strategy. Ensuring you liquidate all your brokerage securities and buy art/silver/gold/coins/stamps before they file their FAFSAs is a legal and common third best strategy. Going into temporary debt for deferred expenses on your home is probably the best 4th. Trump accounts would probably be the 5th or 6th best idea.

We've done most of the above strategies, but we've also tried a few others that appear to have worked out well. We consumed some of our daughter's college savings to send her to ACT/SAT boot camps. Spending a few thousand bucks on tutors to get a top entrance score can create merit aid that saves tens of thousands as well, better than paying more for college.

Looking at $1.2m USD in tuition for three kids over the next few years at rack-rates caused us to look very, very closely at how the systems work. The entire college scam is designed to deliver a lousy product for most kids while destroying the financial security of most families.

Trump Accounts are not the top priority or vehicle to make education affordable.

You invest for a newborn in a Trump account at $5000 a year for 17 years, your $85,000 investment is worth $168,000. The kid takes it out 1/4th per year for tuition, they pay capital gains on it each year, then they are double-punished because its treated as income on the FAFSA reducing their student aid because of their "income".

Alternatively, you invest $7500 a year in a ROTH IRA by hiring your children as wage-slaves to your personal side business starting on their 9th birthday. You've only assisted them in investing $67,500, their investments are worth $95,000, but they can withdraw the $67,500 tax-free and without FAFSA disclosure to pay for college. A better outcome via a better investment vehicle.

Higher education truly does suck.
 
Forgive me if my memory is off, but wasn't one of the other contributing factors to the Civil War some dispute over the differences in tariffs between the Northern and Southern shipping ports?
Yes there was. Earlier tariffs disproportionately hit the south and helped the north. Then the morrill tariff passed in march of1861 which hit southern states even harder and I believe made more states secede. There were alot of reasons the south seceded. The problem with people saying it was only slavery is they ignore the fact that some people in New Jersey had slaves til 1865 or 66 and that several states that sided with the north kept slaves legally under the union law till 1865 hell the emancipation proclamation was 1863 and only affected people in the south not the north or boarder states. Pretty sure the wat kicked off in April of 61
 
When Hale Boggs from LA disappeared in Alaska back in January 1972 (plane wreckage still not found), he was posthumously reelected to his House seat that November. This allowed the passage of resolution for special election and his wife Lindy won his seat. And she was reelected for eight succeeding elections. Nice lady. I enjoyed myself at a party in her French Quarter home on Mardis Gras Day 1988.

Boggs situation is a bit different than Graham because Boggs wasn't officially declared dead until after the 1972 election.
Yeah, and I'm the King of England.....
 
You must have fit that party in between your trip to advise Pope John Paul and your May Day trip to the Kremlin.
I was invited to the party by my park unit's supt. Didn't know who Lindy Boggs was until introduced (followed by explanation). I found her to be very pleasant, almost reserved. Hardly the toast of the party kind of person. Her husband was from the old school conservative Democrat party then in transition. I have no idea what Lindy's voting record was but she must have been doing something right for the people of Louisiana if she was able to stay in office sixteen more years.
 

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