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I complain about Canada too.

And right now, your administration just keeps fumbling the ball. I guess you live in some weird world where a fumble is a touchdown.
 
They dont need evidence, their cult leader decrees it, that's enough for them.
You people are boring the hell out of me.

 
I complain about Canada too.

And right now, your administration just keeps fumbling the ball. I guess you live in some weird world where a fumble is a touchdown.
And you must live in a weird world where you would think that your biased opinion should somehow be deemed as fact.
 
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Debunked. Try (lie) again.
 
There you go, trying to inflate (lie about) details. Do you have a source for your information? Because I am pretty sure it was you who would not engage Mdwest's information several pages back because, to paraphrase, it was his job to cite his claims rather than your job to cite counter-claims. ... it was about 25,000 firings that were being challenged for legality, at least part of those were ruled on by SCOTUS as allowable. Let's ignore the fact that the judges who ruled Trumps actions as illegal were appointed by Clinton and Obama and what bias that might (does) have on their rulings.

Yes, a great many conservatives believe the government is bloated and wastes money at nearly incomprehensible levels. I would love to se the Federal Government shrink by huge volumes. Such as dissolve the DoE, eliminate most Federal social programs (put that work / money into the hands of the states), and review all the randomly funded projects that have evolved from their original budget/purpose to now be permanent parasites sucking at the taxpayer teat, and plenty of other categories. Reduction to a bloated workforce should be celebrated. If you own a business that has a number of employees who cost money to keep on payroll but have no substantial contribution to your businesses (or are a liability to overall performance, you would fire them. The same SHOULD be done to the government in both programs and labor.

And, most importantly, regardless of the number of employees who were fired, legal or not, it is very different situation to what is being discussed here. If you fire people, they have opportunities to go work somewhere else. Whereas the current Dems and a few dumbass republicans are holding about 61,000 TSA workers (tsa.gov), among other affected employees, hostage where they technically still have a job but dont get paid for it. Thats nearly the same as slave labor. Additionally, this affects millions of travelers (faa.gov indicates around 2.5-3 million fliers) daily. All because jackasses in D.C. refuse to do their jobs.


Then why do those in DC who have the power to end the shenanigans lack the accountability to actually do it. Its extremely simple, but both sides like to make mountains out of mole-hills in DC. I think the entire system should be overhauled, every single one of them out of office and start over with people who haven't been bought and paid for.


Again, sources? I come from a rural community, still know a great number of farmers in my family or that I worked for/with in my youth. I don't know any who had "double net income" under Biden, nor any who are "going bankrupt" under Trump. If anything, it was the other way around.

Did you forget about when Biden had record high gas prices during his administration? Or was that Ok/not his fault/some other excuse? Yes, those prices were higher than they are now.

My mom was a nurse in one of those rural hospitals for her entire 40+ year career, in the same hospital. Closures and budget concerns have been a factor for decades, nothing directly to do with government R or D. Medial has become a business, businesses want to run profits. That requires enough customers (patients) paying enough money (revenue) to cover costs. The conversation of our medical industry is another topic entirely, so I'll simply leave it at that for now.
Rural businesses are dying due to lack of customers. Rural Schools are consolidating to have enough students to operate. None of this is due to federal government.


I have a different view. I'm tired of Republicans being burdened by the consequences of Democrats failed actions and policies. Democrats have buried this country in debt due to uncontrollable spending. To be fair, Republicans in D.C. swamp also cant figure out how to balance a budget. US Federal Tax revenue was roughly $5.25 Trillion. You cannot convince me that we have a taxation problem- we have a spending problem.

Social Security and Medicare are screwed by decades of mismanagement, not because of Trump or Biden (or Bezos, though I dont understand your reference) or any one person. Another topic that is larger than a response here will cover.
1. Republicans control all 3 branches of the federal government so stop trying to blame the dems for TSA agents not getting paid.

2. I've cited sources in the past but they're just ignored here, so why even bother? But bc you asked nicely, I'lll get you a few at the bottom.

3. Dissolve the DOE? WOW! You're even more liberal than I am. Even I don't advocate unilateral nuclear disarmament. You do realize that the Energy Department is in charge of the Nuke's right, via the Nat'l Nuclear Security Admin. Its more than half their budget in any given year. The DOE is also home to americas main research labs. As the US federal gov is the largest researcher in the world, I dont think that would bode well for our economy.

4. "If you own a business that has a number of employees who cost money to keep on payroll but have no substantial contribution to your businesses or are a liability to overall performance, you would fire them." If they weren't making money, than yes I would. My family has been in and out of self-employment since the 40s. But we don't fire people who make us money. My first job out of college was for a company that had recently been bought out by some private equity assholes. A few months later they laid-off three people in my department. The reason? They weren't making the company enough money. They were still profitable, but equity's net target return was between 15-17%, and their project was now below 10%. Not bc they were losing the Company money. P. Equity was so fucking greedy that 15% was their new minimum. In my grandfathers day a 9% net return would have been entirely reasonable. After I left, they raised their target to over 20%. These large multinational trillion dollar companies laying ppl off aren't loosing money buddy.

5. Government is also different. It's not about making money, its about providing services to its people. By your standards the military loses over $1.5 trillion a year. Ppl on the right don't seem to mind that. But the post office or Amtrak "loose" a couple hundred million, and they go ape-shit and demand layoffs.

6. You, like many seem to misunderstand where federal monies go. 85% of all federal dollars is Mandatory or Military discretionary spending. We could eliminate ALL non-defense discretionary spending and still have a deficit. These "bloated" programs and salaries and spending are mere rounding errors to other programs.

7. Democrats didnt bury this country in debt. Republicans did. Lets go through that then and we can save the medical discussion for later. Reagan takes over in 1981, the country is in 0.9 trillion in debt, after 10 years of Reaganomics the country is in 3.7 trillion in debt and climbing. Bush's daddy tries to reign in these uncontrollable deficits. His fellow republicans loose their mind about broken promises. But it wasnt enough, deficits continue. Until Clinton. One of the first bills they got passed in 1993 was a tax increase on the rich. Go watch old CSPAN videos of republicans coming to tears on the house floor talking about how bad these tax increase will be. And what happened? The largest, longest, continual economic expansion in the history of the republic. Tax increases on rich didn't hurt us at all. Within 5 years we had a balanced budget...due to increasing taxes on the rich. Enter the Bush administration. Bush got elected and immediately said that budget surplus were proof that the gov collected too much money (or maybe we should keep paying off debt with it), time for another tax cut for the rich...oh shit...here we go. He turned 100 billion+ surplus into a 100+ billion deficit within one year. Adjusted for inflation thats more that double in todays dollars.

8. The Reagan tax cuts were never paid for, the bush tax cuts were never paid for. And then he goes to war without paying for it. Remember why we had income taxes to begin with...TO PAY FOR OUR WAR EXPENSES! Previous presidents knew that, but somehow that escaped GW. So then he doubles down, and doubles down again. Another war in 2003 in Afghanistan not paid for, another round of tax cuts not paid for in 03, then another in 2005, and some more sprinkled throughout his admin. No child left behind, Medicare part D...etc. Then they crash the world economy with deregulation and dump a 1.4 trillion dollar budget deficit in Obama's lap. But somehow it's the Dems fault. Yeah ok. After 8 years the budget deficit under Obama is back down to $520 BIllion. Then Trump gets elected and in his first year doubles that to $1 trillion dollars. Why....because the 2017 tax cuts for the rich thats why!
And then things went downhill fast from there.

9. You see D and R are both financially irresponsible, but the Republicans are by an entire order of magnitude. Obama's big spending bill, the ACA? It actually Paid for itself through new taxes, even reduced the deficit by 15 billion per year. When Dems spend money they pay for it, when R's do it, its all deficit spending buddy. Remember what Dick Cheney once said..."Reagan proved that deficits don't matter"....well, they will soon enough.



 
All I hear is a story - have any substantiating evidence?
Yeah sure, buddy. I’m his embarrassment to tell me I guess I should have asked to see documentation? You’re ridiculous.
 
1. Republicans control all 3 branches of the federal government so stop trying to blame the dems for TSA agents not getting paid.

2. I've cited sources in the past but they're just ignored here, so why even bother? But bc you asked nicely, I'lll get you a few at the bottom.

3. Dissolve the DOE? WOW! You're even more liberal than I am. Even I don't advocate unilateral nuclear disarmament. You do realize that the Energy Department is in charge of the Nuke's right, via the Nat'l Nuclear Security Admin. Its more than half their budget in any given year. The DOE is also home to americas main research labs. As the US federal gov is the largest researcher in the world, I dont think that would bode well for our economy.

4. "If you own a business that has a number of employees who cost money to keep on payroll but have no substantial contribution to your businesses or are a liability to overall performance, you would fire them." If they weren't making money, than yes I would. My family has been in and out of self-employment since the 40s. But we don't fire people who make us money. My first job out of college was for a company that had recently been bought out by some private equity assholes. A few months later they laid-off three people in my department. The reason? They weren't making the company enough money. They were still profitable, but equity's net target return was between 15-17%, and their project was now below 10%. Not bc they were losing the Company money. P. Equity was so fucking greedy that 15% was their new minimum. In my grandfathers day a 9% net return would have been entirely reasonable. After I left, they raised their target to over 20%. These large multinational trillion dollar companies laying ppl off aren't loosing money buddy.

5. Government is also different. It's not about making money, its about providing services to its people. By your standards the military loses over $1.5 trillion a year. Ppl on the right don't seem to mind that. But the post office or Amtrak "loose" a couple hundred million, and they go ape-shit and demand layoffs.

6. You, like many seem to misunderstand where federal monies go. 85% of all federal dollars is Mandatory or Military discretionary spending. We could eliminate ALL non-defense discretionary spending and still have a deficit. These "bloated" programs and salaries and spending are mere rounding errors to other programs.

7. Democrats didnt bury this country in debt. Republicans did. Lets go through that then and we can save the medical discussion for later. Reagan takes over in 1981, the country is in 0.9 trillion in debt, after 10 years of Reaganomics the country is in 3.7 trillion in debt and climbing. Bush's daddy tries to reign in these uncontrollable deficits. His fellow republicans loose their mind about broken promises. But it wasnt enough, deficits continue. Until Clinton. One of the first bills they got passed in 1993 was a tax increase on the rich. Go watch old CSPAN videos of republicans coming to tears on the house floor talking about how bad these tax increase will be. And what happened? The largest, longest, continual economic expansion in the history of the republic. Tax increases on rich didn't hurt us at all. Within 5 years we had a balanced budget...due to increasing taxes on the rich. Enter the Bush administration. Bush got elected and immediately said that budget surplus were proof that the gov collected too much money (or maybe we should keep paying off debt with it), time for another tax cut for the rich...oh shit...here we go. He turned 100 billion+ surplus into a 100+ billion deficit within one year. Adjusted for inflation thats more that double in todays dollars.

8. The Reagan tax cuts were never paid for, the bush tax cuts were never paid for. And then he goes to war without paying for it. Remember why we had income taxes to begin with...TO PAY FOR OUR WAR EXPENSES! Previous presidents knew that, but somehow that escaped GW. So then he doubles down, and doubles down again. Another war in 2003 in Afghanistan not paid for, another round of tax cuts not paid for in 03, then another in 2005, and some more sprinkled throughout his admin. No child left behind, Medicare part D...etc. Then they crash the world economy with deregulation and dump a 1.4 trillion dollar budget deficit in Obama's lap. But somehow it's the Dems fault. Yeah ok. After 8 years the budget deficit under Obama is back down to $520 BIllion. Then Trump gets elected and in his first year doubles that to $1 trillion dollars. Why....because the 2017 tax cuts for the rich thats why!
And then things went downhill fast from there.

9. You see D and R are both financially irresponsible, but the Republicans are by an entire order of magnitude. Obama's big spending bill, the ACA? It actually Paid for itself through new taxes, even reduced the deficit by 15 billion per year. When Dems spend money they pay for it, when R's do it, its all deficit spending buddy. Remember what Dick Cheney once said..."Reagan proved that deficits don't matter"....well, they will soon enough.



Quick note, my DoE reference to dissolve was Department of Education, not Energy. Apologies for the lack of clarity.

I disagree with a number of your counter points, but am unable to go through the list at this time. I will simply leave it as saying we can agree to disagree for now.
 
That's just a cop out. It is the definition of failed thinking.

You can be entirely right that Kamala would have been worse. You probably are.

But that doesn't mean this administration's incompetence should be heralded or even accepted. If you are picking between hiring two employees and you figure the first one would have lost your business $100,000 does it mean that you should not critique the one you hire when they fumble $20,000 away?

Is that how you want to talk about your government? It sucks but it could have been worse? That kind of approach is downright embarrassing.
Cop out? Perhaps but I try to deal with reality. Maybe Trump shouldn't have been nominated, you seem to feel passionately about it, but he was. Maybe Kamala shouldn't have been annointed, but she was. Those were the choices. American voters chose. Unfortunately for you, Canadians didn't get a say in the matter and your opinion, which you are certainly entitled to, just doesn't matter. 'Nuff said on my part.
 
And you must live in a weird world where you would think that your biased opinion should somehow be deemed as fact.
Really where did I do that? Or are you just making it up? Show me an example where I have done that.
 
Yeah sure, buddy. I’m his embarrassment to tell me I guess I should have asked to see documentation? You’re ridiculous.
If he used your vote I would have expected you to follow through with it - maybe it was just a waste of your time.
 
Professionalism…… Really?

Do you not remember the ass clowns of the previous administration?

Seriously- the head of nuclear waste that was handed his job because he’s some gender queer blah blah blah that matched the narrative at the time.

Yes- the same cross dressing idiot that got caught stealing women’s luggage at airports and wearing their clothes in public was in charge of our nuclear waste.

Yeah, and he got fired for it. As he should have. Thats what happens when you're a fuck-up, you get fired. Ironic that the guy made famous in part for saying "you're fired" is incapable of firing his own incompetent people.
 
Diversity hire programs that specifically gender or ethnicity instead of hiring based on merit sure sounds an awful lot like racism of course we all know the can’t be because there liberal ideas. If I owned a company in America could I have a policy where I advertise certain jobs as for whites only? Or specify that a certain percentage of my employees must be white?

Is it possible that the reason you never seen targets with black presidents faces on them in the 90s was possibly just maybe because your country hadn’t had a black president yet?

Roll up a fatty and suck on this idea for awhile the same first amendment that protects your right to spew your liberal drivel also protects the gunshow crowd who speak against those politicians who you hold in HIGH regard or bubba at his clan meeting speaking about the dangers of intermarriage.

To be clear it’s a conspiracy when right wingers believe Obama was going to declare himself king and crazy right? Then why did the left feel the need to have no kings protests?
Changing the subject because you lost an argument. If you didnt want to hear what I had to say, then why ask?
 
I was going to explain that Presidents don't create deficits, because Congress creates budgets. And "Tax Cuts" affect revenue, not spending, and it's possible for revenue to go up, but spending to go higher.

I was going to explain total US Spending is about $10Trilion, and total US Defense spending is about $1.3 Trillion, which is a really strange way to get to about 85%. And that $1.3T breaks down as:
  • $877 billion was spent on national defense
  • $323 billion was spent on support for veterans
  • $71.9 billion was spent on foreign affairs
  • $25.9 billion was spent on immigration and border security
I was going to try and explain that when one says "Dissolve the DoE", they mean the Department of EDUCATION, not the Department of Energy. The issue with Education is despite all the money we've spent on this department, we don't seem to be improving anything.

There's so much more. But explaining this all is both tiring and boring. Not sure if Frosty came up with a new username or whatever, but it's easier to simply hit the ignore button.
 

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