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Trump stated they are organizing a face to face meeting between Putin & Zelinskyy.
I know it may be a necessary step, but damn, it would be hard to sit across from a P.O.S like Putin,who is responsible for the deaths of many Ukrainian civilians, including children.

Probably a waste of time too.
 
Probably a waste of time too.
If Putin is playing everyone, everything accomplished to this point will be a waste of time.
Apparently, there seemed to be enough positive dialogue in today's meeting with Zelenskky, and the European leaders, that Zelenskyy is willing to meet with Putin.
If Putin is just testing how far he can push Trump? Not a good idea to force Trump into losing his patience.
 
That’s a great question, and I agree that they should have a say. but the problem is you can’t run a country that way.

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DC would not let any state secede without military action.
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That's true, but here's the question: how deep into the past should we go? The separation of Crimea and Donbass is now completely legal after the Kosovo precedent, recognized by many countries and even by the "UN court". By the way, was the secession of Ukraine itself as a neutral and nuclear-weapon-free state legal or not? At least it was peaceful, but Yugoslavia was divided militarily.
 
All the media stating the "Russian collusion" for the 2016 election.

Now, before you get your knickers in a twist, I only mentioned it because allegation of corruption of Zelensky is just that, allegations by various media that has an agenda. If that is a viable smoke for Zelensky then the same standard applies to Trump who was also vilified and slandered by media.

Same folks also stated Zelensky had bought a Yacht, jewelry etc. with the US aid funds.

I just figured each had been proven false at this point. Sorry if I missed the smoke on Zelensky.
 
Putin is thought to be one of the world’s richest men.

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So the real question is when will someone have the balls to go after all his friends and enablers.
Squeezing him from all sides.

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Now, if after today’s meeting with Zelenskyy. Zelenskyy offers that Russia can keep everything it holds and Putin then declines Zelenskyy offer then negotiations need to stop and sanctions immediately started. And supply weapons for a huge Ukrainian offensive on Moscow.
I'm hinting that the sanctions policy has failed even with Putin's friends - so is it possible to achieve something with sanctions in more serious matters? As for the territories: the root cause of the conflict is the issue of expanding the military infrastructure of the West to the East. If there is an agreement on the neutral status of Ukraine, then the territorial issues will be resolved, they are secondary. Russia will not agree to any option for the presence of Western troops in Ukraine until this issue is resolved - there will be no peace.
 
Concur with all.. except duty to retreat.. which is something that requires quite a bit of situational awareness... (for example, under TX law there is no duty to retreat.. whereas MN, NY, HI, and many other states have very strict duty to retreat laws.. so.. you better know where you are and what the laws are if youre not going to try to physically remove yourself from a threatening situation as a priority.. )

Its been 25+ years.. but when I went through both the Glock Armorer and the Sig Armorers courses the instructors were very clear.. DONT MODIFY YOUR GUNS... the liability just isnt worth it.. for CCW, carry factory only.. they even went so far as to encourage us not to swap out Glock triggers with NY1 or NY2 triggers which increase the trigger pull weight and are OEM parts.. because there had already been lawsuits filed against individuals and agencies that had gone with heavier triggers for "safety" reasons.. but then were getting sued under the auspices that "you cant be accurate with a 12 lb trigger... you didnt actually mean to kill my client.. you were trying to wound him!" (or you didnt mean to wound my client and cause him a life long injury and pain.. you intended on killing him!)...

We were told swapping out parts for other OEM parts of the EXACT SAME design was ok.. but ZERO modification to parts and ZERO swapping out of parts for non original parts was recommended..

Personally I've always been of the mentality that the best thing to do with a Glock is to leave them alone anyway. The only thing I change on mine are the sights, and even then all I do is install Glock OEM night sights.
 
Concur with all.. except duty to retreat.. which is something that requires quite a bit of situational awareness... (for example, under TX law there is no duty to retreat.. whereas MN, NY, HI, and many other states have very strict duty to retreat laws.. so.. you better know where you are and what the laws are if youre not going to try to physically remove yourself from a threatening situation as a priority.. )

Its been 25+ years.. but when I went through both the Glock Armorer and the Sig Armorers courses the instructors were very clear.. DONT MODIFY YOUR GUNS... the liability just isnt worth it.. for CCW, carry factory only.. they even went so far as to encourage us not to swap out Glock triggers with NY1 or NY2 triggers which increase the trigger pull weight and are OEM parts.. because there had already been lawsuits filed against individuals and agencies that had gone with heavier triggers for "safety" reasons.. but then were getting sued under the auspices that "you cant be accurate with a 12 lb trigger... you didnt actually mean to kill my client.. you were trying to wound him!" (or you didnt mean to wound my client and cause him a life long injury and pain.. you intended on killing him!)...

We were told swapping out parts for other OEM parts of the EXACT SAME design was ok.. but ZERO modification to parts and ZERO swapping out of parts for non original parts was recommended..
so what about a pistol that comes factory made with all or most of the upgrades I.E. Desert Eagle 1911
 
so what about a pistol that comes factory made with all or most of the upgrades I.E. Desert Eagle 1911

Sell it... then buy a glock and ammo with the difference!

1911s are a lot of fun though I can't pretend otherwise.
 
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That’s a great question, and I agree that they should have a say. but the problem is you can’t run a country that way.

Pretty soon each region and ethnic group and language dialect would become their own country, or split off with the neighboring countries.

What would the U.S. feds do if Texas or Alaska wanted to become their own countries ? . . .
Some folks in Texas would actually prefer that we go back to being an independent country.
 
That is the exact cause of why I’m passionate on this subject. I dealt with an armed aggressor that was brandishing and threatening others.

I’ve broached this story here before.
I initially said the “wrong” things when the police arrived. And was acting the “wrong” way.

Luckily I was in a favorable jurisdiction and got good counsel to correct my early stupid statements. I was not charged and the other guy went to jail for quite some time.

When it’s statement time Clark Kent. Not Superman
This is going to sound..a little weird, but, my wife’s ex husband (of whom I’m as close as one can be with, considering, I am, in fact, the executor of his estate upon his death) sat me and his boys down after thanksgiving one year and schooled us on how to handle any questioning for any incident from any LEO anywhere for every situation. He is retired from law enforcement from a major (huge) US city with background experience in major crime, undercover and street.

It boils down to this: Never, ever, ever answer a single question from any officer directly. Not even “are you ok?”. Always say politely “officer, I’m not going to speak without my attorney present.”

I was stunned to find out how answering simple questions can be used against me.
 
Well your silence can be used against you until you are arrested. Give them your name and ID, invoke your right to a lawyer and shut up. And don’t start taking in the back of the ride about anything, including the weather.
 
I think what you offer is a valid small nation perspective. But Ukraine actually is not one. Indeed, after three years of war and without offering the numerous caveats available with respect to weapons and losses, I would argue they currently represent the most powerful military purely in Europe.

What they have accomplished logistically with a kaleidoscope of weaponry and munitions from Soviet stocks to current production from the West is something I would have predicted as impossible just a few years ago. Their drone innovation has changed warfare. Since the defeat of the initial Russian offensive, Russia has gained only an additional 1% of Ukrainian territory at the cost of a million casualties.

The F-16 is a fine 4th generation fighter. But it is not a penetrator acting on its own. In US hands, it would only be used over hostile territory once stealth aircraft and long range missile fires had neutralized enemy air defenses. Ukraine does not have that option. As a result, it is primarily being used as a cruise missile interceptor. I would note the Russian air force has proven itself totally ineffective following the first weeks of the conflict.

The 2023 offensive did indeed fail. NATO, to include US leadership, pushed Ukraine to attempt it with inadequate forces and training. I disagree with your assessment of the Kursk offensive. Its purpose was to relieve pressure on the Donetsk front as the current defensive belt was completed. In that it succeeded. It also represented a political and military embarrassment to Russian leadership. I suspect Ukraine was surprised by its initial success. Because of it they were able to tie down 70,000 Russian troops, force Putin on his knees to Pyongyang for more, and inflict over thirty thousand casualties.

Other than Russia, the only nation that has failed in this conflict has been the US. Unlike the rest of NATO, the US has vast stockpiles of modern armored vehicles that could have been provided to Ukraine in numbers that would have overwhelmed Russia's older and far less capable reserve weaponry. The Biden administration, in what is still an unfathomable set of decisions decided instead on a minimalist strategy that simply kept the UA in the fight.

3700 M1 Abrams tanks are currently sitting in storage. They will never again be used by American forces in combat. Yes, much of that inventory would take work to make combat ready, but even the oldest models are an overmatch for any T-72 or T64 that ever rolled of an assembly line. The Biden administration provided a grand total of 31. Those 3700 are still sitting there and represent an offensive capability for which Russia would have no meaningful answer - as do over 800 M2 Brads.

But to your primary point, yes, with the failure of the US to provide meaningful offensive military capability, Ukraine will have to cede territory to achieve "peace." (And no, the weaponry provided by the first Trump administration also was not of an offensive capability nature). I am absolutely certain that Russia could be forced to withdraw from the portions of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia they currently control for clear "title" to the Crimea and what they hold in the Donbas. Sadly, I see the Trump administration is as loathe to use diplomatic pressure as Biden was to provide meaningful military aid.
IMHO looking from the outside of this disaster, IF Ukraine agrees to cede ANY territory, they should IMMEDIATELY gain both EU and NATO membership or NO deal with Putin. Without Ukraine gaining NATO membership, the world will see history repeat itself as long as Putin is breathing.
 
Wow.

So many, otherwise, "like-minded" guys on nearly everything, but the Ukraine/Russia issue has proven to be a real tough one.

I will try to refrain from posting anything else on this issue.
 

As per GDP more than the United States, but that’s not my issue here. Trump keeps making claims about how he is going to end war. Either shake your big stick, or stop making promises. There is nothing more exasperating to me than a big talker.
take a breath, and give it a minute to work out. maybe it wont, but it very well could. remember the tariffs, and how the world was going to end, and prices double, and people would die....didn't happen. this might work out too, but it might take a minute or two.
 
I'm hinting that the sanctions policy has failed even with Putin's friends - so is it possible to achieve something with sanctions in more serious matters? As for the territories: the root cause of the conflict is the issue of expanding the military infrastructure of the West to the East. If there is an agreement on the neutral status of Ukraine, then the territorial issues will be resolved, they are secondary. Russia will not agree to any option for the presence of Western troops in Ukraine until this issue is resolved - there will be no peace.
No one wants to attack the Russians.
But Russia's territory consists mainly of countries that have been robbed up since the 16th century.
And getting smaller and smaller hurts.
All former colonial powers felt this pain.
The key question is:

may free peoples be allowed to decide freely?
 
What I do not get here..how can Trump, Zelenskij and the european leaders have any trust in Putin..?

An american General, Wesley Clarke, has a very sober look at things, he is certain that Putins territorial plans do not stop with Ukraine. He has some kind of wet dream to reestablish the Soviet Union, retake the Baltic states, Georgia and try to turn Poland, Bulgaria and Romania against the west..

I do not for a moment believe that there will be a lasting peace with the russians..I mean how naive can we allow us to be in the west..?

It makes me furious to read Red Leg commenting that as we speak 3700 M1 Abrams tanks and 800 Bradleys are slowly rotting away in US depots. What a waste..

The only thing I am certain of is that whatever is concocted in and about Ukraine the following weeks will not effectively stop russian ambitions in the long term. This is why Europe now rearm grossly..
 
What I do not get here..how can Trump, Zelenskij and the european leaders have any trust in Putin..?

An american General, Wesley Clarke, has a very sober look at things, he is certain that Putins territorial plans do not stop with Ukraine. He has some kind of wet dream to reestablish the Soviet Union, retake the Baltic states, Georgia and try to turn Poland, Bulgaria and Romania against the west..

I do not for a moment believe that there will be a lasting peace with the russians..I mean how naive can we allow us to be in the west..?

It makes me furious to read Red Leg commenting that as we speak 3700 M1 Abrams tanks and 800 Bradleys are slowly rotting away in US depots. What a waste..

The only thing I am certain of is that whatever is concocted in and about Ukraine the following weeks will not effectively stop russian ambitions in the long term. This is why Europe now rearm grossly..
No one trusts him, I'm sure of that. At least not Western Europeans and Zelensky.
Putin's plans for great power status are already stalling in Ukraine ("three days for Kiev" ).
But not even Zelensky believes that the Russians will leave Crimea.
He cannot and does not want to go down in history as the one who abandoned Ukraine. That is why he should have stepped down long ago.
That's not worth a nuclear war to the world.
Secession would be the really sensible option, because how long is the war supposed to go on—10 years? There are 200,000 young Ukrainian men of military age living in Germany who have no desire to die for their country.I don't want to be on the front lines for a country that ranks 113th on the corruption index(actually today!!!)also, a country where military equipment is sold on the world market. My sympathy is limited, despite all my compassion for the civilian victims.
The rest of Ukraine could serve as a neutral buffer(so far its possible), and NATO's eastern border could be armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons.

Then we have no fear at these side.


@CoElkHunter.
Certainly not NATO, and definitely not the EU.
Many other countries that are better positioned are already dragging the EU down.
Where will the money come from to support 40 million Ukrainians?
Our pensioners collect deposit bottles from trash cans.
 
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No one trusts him, I'm sure of that. At least not Western Europeans and Zelensky.
Putin's plans for great power status are already stalling in Ukraine ("three days for Kiev" ).
But not even Zelensky believes that the Russians will leave Crimea.
He cannot and does not want to go down in history as the one who abandoned Ukraine. That is why he should have stepped down long ago.
That's not worth a nuclear war to the world.
Secession would be the really sensible option, because how long is the war supposed to go on—10 years? There are 200,000 young Ukrainian men of military age living in Germany who have no desire to die for their country.I don't want to be on the front lines for a country that ranks 113th on the corruption index(actually today!!!)also, a country where military equipment is sold on the world market. My sympathy is limited, despite all my compassion for the civilian victims.
The rest of Ukraine could serve as a neutral buffer(so far its possible), and NATO's eastern border could be armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons.

Then we have no fear at these side.

What does it take for you to vouch more sympahty in these matters..russian tanks rolling into the Baltic states..aka 1940..?

What happens now is like negotiating peace with Hitler in 1938. That did not turn out so well..

Peace in our time my ass..
 
What does it take for you to vouch more sympahty in these matters..russian tanks rolling into the Baltic states..aka 1940..? like I wrote-nuclear weapons on the EU border so much the earth can carry. Reality contra sympathy.Not an easy question.

What happens now is like negotiating peace with Hitler in 1938. That did not turn out so well.today,no one would trust a person like Hitler and no one is Putin trusting,but you have to live with him

Peace in our time my ass..unfortunately
 
It’s common knowledge Putin wants to reconstitute the USSR. He has stated as much. He gives 2 hour diatribes on modified Russian history. And in those “history lesson's” he says Russia has been around a long time, we don’t operate in a 4 year political world. If it takes decades that’s fine.

One miscalculation he has made in his long term planning is that NATO has been withering for decades. A toothless tiger.
Now look at NATO. There are many formidable countries not just a few . 2 of those joining formally recently.

I could pick several NATO countries that would handily defeat Russia in a toe to toe war by themselves .

If the EU and NATO countries keep moving towards 5%, patience is no longer Putins freind.

Several NATO allies and others outside of NATO but in the region are nuclear powers also. Russian nuclear threats are hollow against the U.S. and all other nuke powers.

Russia can not defend against the U.S. alone. Now add missiles coming at them 360 degrees from 5 different nations.

We MIGHT take a few hits. But it would it not be doomsday for anyone but Russia. Strikes would shut Russia down pretty much before they got started.
 

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