Red dot for a large calibre

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Good evening everyone. I am currently looking at putting a red dot sight on my dangerous game rifle. I am just about sold on the idea, but for one major concern. I am not sure about the recoil. The rifle is a .500 A-Sqaure shooting 600gr bullets at 2300 fps with a 105gr powder charge.
The rifle weighs about 10lbs. By my math thats about 104 ft/lb of recoil energy. Is there anyone with experience with red dot sight on high recoiling rifles? Looking for recommendations and advice pls

TIA
Francois
 
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Good evening everyone. I am currently looking at putting a red dot sight on my dangerous game rifle. I am just about sold on the idea, but for one major concern. I am not sure about the recoil. The rifle is a .500 A-Sqaure shooting 600gr bullets at 2300 fps with a 105gr powder charge.
The rifle weighs about 10lbs. By my math thats about 104 ft/lb of recoil energy. Is there anyone with experience with red dot sight on high recoiling rifles? Looking for recommendations and advice pls

TIA
Francois
I have a Leica Tempus on my 458Lott and haven’t had any problems.
 
I'm not basing myself on anything other than my own logic:

I think any red dot that can withstand repeated shots, while installed on the slide of a pistol, slamming back and forth against hard stops, will even better withstand repeated shots while attached to a big bore rifle, as there is much more give while shooting off-hand.
 
I couldn't tell you how many rounds of 50 BMG out of a M2, 7.62 on a 240 and 5.56 on a saw I shot under a Trijicon RMR in a past life.

I know none of these have the same recoil cycle of the big bores but the about of shaking and back and forth on these guns is quite the test for an optic.

The M2 packs alot of recoil that is stopped by vehicle mounts and tripods, I know those optics took a beating.
 
Thanks, I was leaning towards the trijicon rmr to begin with... Think its what I'll get for my rifle
 
I have 500 rounds shot with a 10.25 pound Heym 88B .458 Winchester, 500 grain bullets at 2140 FPS. The sight for each and every shot was (and still is) a Trijicon SRO with 1 MOA dot.

I like that SRO so much that I mounted another on a Kreighoff Classic in 500-416! Darn great sight!!!
 
Good evening everyone. I am currently looking at putting a red dot sight on my dangerous game rifle. I am just about sold on the idea, but for one major concern. I am not sure about the recoil. The rifle is a .500 A-Sqaure shooting 600gr bullets at 2300 fps with a 105gr powder charge.
The rifle weighs about 10lbs. By my math thats about 104 ft/lb of recoil energy. Is there anyone with experience with red dot sight on high recoiling rifles? Looking for recommendations and advice pls

TIA
Francois
I have had two 500 NE and a red dot is perfect for them. I used Trijicon on both. Made for them. No worries
 
I can’t say enough good things about the Leupold delta point on a 458 mag. There is O optical aberration or color variation. And, it has the technology that turns the sight off after 5 minutes of being still. I have tested it many times and you can’t get the gun to your face without the sight being on.
 
Hello.....great question. I have used a Trijicon RMR on my Heym 89 500 Nitro Express pushing a 570gr Barnes at approx. 2169fps. I have used this combination to take 3 buffalo and a hippo over two trips to Africa. The RMR has never shifted its zero since I installed it. I am getting ready to leave for Australia with my Heym for water buffalo in mid-July.
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Have an Aimpoint Micro H1 on my 404 Jeffery for over 1000 shots, and also an H1 Micro on my 450 Rigby at probably 400 shots.

Very happy with them
Aimpoint does have a reputation for being reliable in hard use. They don't come cheap, though.
 
I had the Docter Optic on my Heym 470NE and took a handful of Capes with no issue but did not like the dial/screwdriver for adjusting the optic. I moved to a Trijicon SRO 1 MOA and was very pleased with the sight.

HH
 
The two RDS to consider IMHO are aimpoint and Trijicon RMR they are the most rugged. Which matters the most, reliability first.
 
The two RDS to consider IMHO are aimpoint and Trijicon RMR they are the most rugged. Which matters the most, reliability first.

I agree that for proven reliability Aimpoint and Trijicon are the safest choices.

There may be other manufacturers producing red dots that are just as reliable. The European Doctor sights get strong reviews. @Tally-Ho HUNTING SAFARIS uses a Burris on a .416 Remington without any problems. Other professionals probably use other brands with good results. Some may simply buy the best of the few brands available to them.

If I have a choice in "safety of flight" or "save my butt" equipment, I will select the proven most reliable items available.

The math of recoil provides that for average weight of rifles and .40 caliber and larger dangerous game cartridges, we can expect recoil of 60 to 100 foot pounds of energy. While I have never shot a .50 caliber hunting rifle, those who do regularly tell me they are more of a strong puch than a sharp kick in the shoulder.

Let us consider that recoil velocity negatively affects optics as much as does the recoil energy. In general, a faster projectile accelerating down a barrel may produce more stress on optics and mounts than a slower projectile that has higher recoil energy.

Then there those obnoxious muzzle breaks. A recent conversation with an engineer at Tally Manufacturing provided that rifles with breaks cause problems for their exceptionally strong mounts. Those rifles are in .30 to .416 super speed lightning bolt chamberings, not in 500 Nitro. The trouble is the rifles are in full recoil until the expanding gas is vented out of the side holes in the break. Then that rearward motion is violently changed, retarded, or somewhat reversed, depending on the direction of the vented gasses. Those rifles must be terribly hard on optics.

The 378 Weatherby is regarded as one of the most severely recoiling rifles made. It launches a 300 or more grain bullet at very high velocity for hunting purposes. I want a red dot that can withstand that type of abuse!
 
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I have one on my 505 Gibbs and it works very well. The recoil impulse on a big bore put less strain on a red dot that it does on a pistol slide. So you should have no problems.
 
I have 500 rounds shot with a 10.25 pound Heym 88B .458 Winchester, 500 grain bullets at 2140 FPS. The sight for each and every shot was (and still is) a Trijicon SRO with 1 MOA dot.

I like that SRO so much that I mounted another on a Kreighoff Classic in 500-416! Darn great sight!!!
J.J. HAS OUR O/U BERETTA .458 RIGHT NOW MOUNTING THAT SAME 1MOA SRO.
 
I agree that for proven reliability Aimpoint and Trijicon are the safest choices.

There may be other manufacturers producing red dots that are just as reliable. The European Doctor sights get strong reviews. @Tally-Ho HUNTING SAFARIS uses a Burris on a .416 Remington without any problems. Other professionals probably use other brands with good results. Some may simply buy the best of the few brands available to them.

If I have a choice in "safety of flight" or "save my butt" equipment, I will select the proven most reliable items available.

The math of recoil provides that for average weight of rifles and .40 bore and larger cartridges, we can expect recoil of 60 to 100 foot pounds of energy. While I have never shot a .50 caliber hunting rifle, those who do regularly tell me they are more of a strong puch than a sharp kick in the shoulder.

Let us consider that recoil velocity negatively affects optics as much as does the recoil energy. In general, a faster projectile accelerating down a barrel may produce more stress on optics and mounts than a slower projectile that has higher recoil energy.

Then there those obnoxious muzzle breaks. A recent conversation with an engineer at Tally Manufacturing provided that rifles with breaks cause problems for their exceptionally strong mounts. Those rifles are in .30 to .416 super speed lightning bolt chamberings, not in 500 Nitro. The trouble is the rifles are in full recoil until the expanding gas is vented out of the side holes in the break. Then that rearward motion is violently changed, retarded, or somewhat reversed, depending on the direction of the vented gasses. Those rifles must be terribly hard on optics.

The 378 Weatherby is regarded as one of the most severely recoiling rifles made. It launches a 300 or more grain bullet at very high velocity for hunting purposes. I want a red dot that can withstand that type of abuse!

Understand what you are saying, I'm looking at it from the SHTF moment and you drop your rifle and it lands directly on the RDS. The two I mentioned have the highest probability of not only living, they will maintain zero too. Others have passed simular drop test, these two are the ones all others are judged against.
 

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