- Mar 19, 2023
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- Well North of Toronto.
Thanks for your insight, I may need to reconsider my planned caliber spread.Interesting...
Noted you do not have your 416 yet, yet you are planning the next rifle....This tells me me you love firearms and let's be honest, if the 416 is not the last, neither will the next rifle thereafter be the last as well...
My suggestion would be a double in 470NE or 500NE, with the latter my preference. Thereafter I would do a 458 and then the next double and so on.
Why? You already have 2 calibers that can shoot everything on earth in a bolt gun. Why have 3 (well you should have more) but maybe first get the double and then the next bolt. If you go 458 Lott/Rigby next, your next purchase would be a double. Then if you want a double in a caliber class not covered by your other's it would be 500NE.
Also to consider, if you choose a 458 caliber, then apart from being a double and the nostalgic reasons, a 470NE for me is just to close to a 458, caliber wise, and may I venture and put my neck out maybe a bit less "powerful". A standard 458 Lott / Rigby with a 500 gr bullet at say 2300 ft/s will give you approximately 5800 ft lbf/7000J, where a 470 NE also shooting a 500gr at 2150 fps will give you roughly 5100 ft lbf. That is why I would rather go the 500NE (which to be fare now in hindsight shoots a 570gr @2150ft/s to give you roughly same energy as the 458... Yeah I am not considering the SD...
For me actually the only reason against a 470NE is it just feels to close to a 458 caliber, but that would not stop me from getting one someday, it would just be my last one, and to be honest probably the most fun and versatile one.... What an excellent example of an oxymoron
So, if you are considering spacing your rifle in "caliber", go for a 500 NE double and then the 458. You can also do the double in say a 450NE/470NE and the 500Jeff/505Gibs and the 450/400.
In the end, you will wonder whether your arsenal should not be:
416 R bolt & 450/400NE double
458 Lott or Rigby bolt & 470 NE double
500 Jeff/505 bolt & 500 NE double
I was always under the impression that the big Nitro Express cartridges were a step above the .458s when it comes to energy.
Now that Im looking further into this, some of these come as a quite the surprise. There is quite a bit of overlap between many of these cartridges.
As a reference:
375H&H - 4,100-4,300 ft-lb
.416 Rigby -4,700-5,100 ft-lb
450/400 NE - 4,100 ft-lb (comparable to 375H&H)
450 NE - 4,700-5,100 ft-lb (comparable to .416)
500/450 NE - 5,050 ft-ft-lb (comparable to .416)
500/465 NE - 4,900 ft-lb (comparable to .416)
470 NE - 5,100 ft-lb (comparable to .416)
.458 WM - 4,500-5,300 ft-lb (slight increase over .416)
.458 Lott - 4,800-6,000 ft-lb (noticeable increase over .416)
450 Rigby -5,400-6,900 ft-lb (noticeable increase over .416)
500 NE -5,850 ft-lb (notable increase over .458's)
.505 Gibbs - 5,850-6,300 ft-lb (notable increase over .458's)
500 Jeff - 6,100-8,100 ft-lb (notable increase over .458's)
577 NE - 7,000 ft-lb (this is about as big as you can get in Canada as it comes in just under our 10,000J limit).