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Spent 25 years as a auto mechanic working on a shop rate commision, no tips, never expected any.
I actually do tip my mechanic - the electrician - our postal lady - the garbage guy - even the tree crew when we have storm damage. It isn't a percentage of the bill, but it will be enough to easily cover lunch and a couple of beers. They have given us a lot of personalized service as a result. I think that works to both our benefit.
 

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I actually do tip my mechanic - the electrician - our postal lady - the garbage guy - even the tree crew when we have storm damage. It isn't a percentage of the bill, but it will be enough to easily cover lunch and a couple of beers. They have given us a lot of personalized service as a result. I think that works to both our benefit.
I would have excepted a tip and not thought it disparaging.
 

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A tip is one of the few things you control on a hunt so it should encourage good work, if not the tip will reflect that.
 

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If you really understood communism u would know that the ditch digger and the engineer get paid the same. That is not a good system. There is a very big difference between paying people a wage they can live on and communism. The min wage for servers here means even a waitress can pay rent and feed her kids without relying on the generosity of her clients or a welfare top up. There are also lots of servers that make far more than min because they are better at their jobs. I earned performance bonuses that were a very significant part of my income, but I did not need those bonuses to feed and shelter my family. The bonuses were my incentive pay for making millions for the company, not my basic wage needed to live.

Same thing applies to tipping the plumber and electrician. While it likely insures preferential treatment in the future and is a wise investment the plumber doesn't need your tip to feed and house his kids. That is the part I find 2 faced about those that advocate tipping to incentivise the very lowest paid workers who can't survive on their base pay. No amount of arguing that free enterprise dictates this approach will change the fact that there are tens of thousands of workers being exploited by their employers and their clients have bought the bs that it is their role to make up for the crappy wages they pay.
 

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Reading all of this makes me think that maybe I would want a Japanese PH, as long as he/she was competent and did a good job!
 

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If you really understood communism u would know that the ditch digger and the engineer get paid the same. That is not a good system. There is a very big difference between paying people a wage they can live on and communism.

If living in former Yugoslavia is considered as valid experiece for living in communist state, then this presumuption is wrong.
To put in perspective with some examples of standards, there were the differences between ditch digger and engineer, or goverment company CEO in their monthy income.

There were people who could afford imported mercedes car for example, or on the other hand there were those who could afford only italian fiat 500 ccm car, or similar car.
"Socialist middle class" favorite was WV Golf. (at one time even produced under license in Bosnia.)
I gave below illustration of cars of the time period, to give idea of the economic standards of working, middle and higher classes in former ex Yu.


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If you really understood communism u would know that the ditch digger and the engineer get paid the same.

You are absolutely wrong on this my friend. So, by that theory, Putin makes the same wage and lives in the same project apartments as the poor bastards they sent in to clean up after Chernobyl..? LMFAO!

Do you know any communists? I do.. Actually, I personally know many who fled communism from Cuba who have quite a good grasp on how the system works. There is a caste system in communism for almost everything including education, employment, the type of living accommodations you are entitled to, etc.,. In other words, they do not waste their time an money sending ditch diggers to engineering school and vice versa.. Interesting that the communists who hold the power don't seem to explain the details very well to the common people when they are selling them on the concept of revolt. I also find it interesting that the common people never seem to question why they had no say in who leads them or who makes these decisions for them? Maybe it's because those who do disappear from the face of the earth in short order?

As hard as it is to accept for those who base their ideologies on what is emotionally satisfying rather than what is reality, there is no disputing the fact human beings are not equal on many facets by nature. Some of us are born with more intelligence while others are born with more physical strength. Some are born tall, while others short. In the real world, intellectual and physical attributes matter especially in regard to employment. Even within the same job, some are better than others, and the concept of compensating them equally regardless of their level of competence is not only absurd, it's unnatural and immoral. There is no changing these facts no matter how badly one tries to rig the system to force more socially equal outcomes. This is a poisonous ideology that the liberal progressives have been trying to install into the USA for generations. It is practiced rampantly in most government and public working environments through affirmative action programs, and I can tell you first-hand how destructive it is on every level.

That is the part I find 2 faced about those that advocate tipping to incentivise the very lowest paid workers who can't survive on their base pay. No amount of arguing that free enterprise dictates this approach will change the fact that there are tens of thousands of workers being exploited by their employers and their clients have bought the bs that it is their role to make up for the crappy wages they pay.

I honestly don't know how many ways it needs to be explained that tipping those in the service industries is not about the consumer subsidizing wages that the employer should be paying in the first place. It's simply a different and better system in which I personally much prefer by being able to influence the level of service I will receive by having control over the server's total compensation. The employees who accept these terms do so agreeably knowing that their performance directly dictates how much they can potentially earn. It's capitalism to perfection. Paying a flat wage that guarantees the employee's income regardless of performance in ANY industry is the concept that is absurd. That's Chapter 1 out of Das Kapital comrade.
 
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It's amazing to me how we can bring politics into virtually any thread.

I would assume (but I know I'd be wrong) that we all acknowledge that we are entirely free to tip or not, and if we tip, we're entirely free to decide how much to tip. So arguing about the history of tipping (we have some idea of the principles behind it); that some people tip more than others (we know that); that some cultures value tipping more than others (again, we know that); and that some tip more than others (ditto); that some people abhor the entire practice of tipping (ditto, ditto); etc. is not at all helpful.

If you want to argue about one economic system vs another, or one culture vs another, or whether Americans have ruined the entire tipping economy of the world, perhaps you could start another thread where those who wish to vent, and those who wish to read venting by others, could go to accomplish those things.

Why start a new thread? Because none of that is particularly informative or helpful to those looking for reasonable guidance on a tricky subject. And that's how this thread began and what this thread is supposed to be about.

And that's my vent.
 

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If you want to argue about one economic system vs another, or one culture vs another, or whether Americans have ruined the entire tipping economy of the world, perhaps you could start another thread where those who wish to vent, and those who wish to read venting by others, could go to accomplish those things.

Why start a new thread? Because none of that is particularly informative or helpful to those looking for reasonable guidance on a tricky subject. And that's how this thread began and what this thread is supposed to be about.

Threads get hijacked or simply meander off topic here all the time. It isn't the first or the last time it will happen. If the discussion gets too out of hand, I figure that the moderators will step in accordingly as they see fit to do.. And, although I completely agree with you that the debate over the concept of "tipping" itself was not the original intent of the thread, I disagree that there is no value in debate. Debating the pros & cons of any subject is always of some value in my opinion. I think it is particularly helpful for those who do not come from a tipping culture to hear the reasoning behind the practice especially when they will be patronizing a country where the practice is customary.
 

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Threads get hijacked or simply meander off topic here all the time. It isn't the first or the last time it will happen. If the discussion gets too out of hand, I figure that the moderators will step in accordingly as they see fit to do.. And, although I completely agree with you that the debate over the concept of "tipping" itself was not the original intent of the thread, I disagree that there is no value in debate. Debating the pros & cons of any subject is always of some value in my opinion. I think it is particularly helpful for those who do not come from a tipping culture to hear the reasoning behind the practice especially when they will be patronizing a country where the practice is customary.
I don't mind debate where debate is called for; I just don't see it being required here.

But in the interests of minding my own vent, I won't debate you on that here!
 
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You are absolutely wrong on this my friend. So, by that theory, Putin makes the same wage and lives in the same project apartments as the poor bastards they sent in to clean up after Chernobyl..? LMFAO!

Do you know any communists? I do.. Actually, I personally know many who fled communism from Cuba who have quite a good grasp on how the system works. There is a caste system in communism for almost everything including education, employment, the type of living accommodations you are entitled to, etc.,. In other words, they do not waste their time an money sending ditch diggers to engineering school and vice versa.. Interesting that the communists who hold the power don't seem to explain the details very well to the common people when they are selling them on the concept of revolt. I also find it interesting that the common people never seem to question why they had no say in who leads them or who makes these decisions for them? Maybe it's because those who do disappear from the face of the earth in short order?

As hard as it is to accept for those who base their ideologies on what is emotionally satisfying rather than what is reality, there is no disputing the fact human beings are not equal on many facets by nature. Some of us are born with more intelligence while others are born with more physical strength. Some are born tall, while others short. In the real world, intellectual and physical attributes matter especially in regard to employment. Even within the same job, some are better than others, and the concept of compensating them equally regardless of their level of competence is not only absurd, it's unnatural and immoral. There is no changing these facts no matter how badly one tries to rig the system to force more socially equal outcomes. This is a poisonous ideology that the liberal progressives have been trying to install into the USA for generations. It is practiced rampantly in most government and public working environments through affirmative action programs, and I can tell you first-hand how destructive it is on every level.



I honestly don't know how many ways it needs to be explained that tipping those in the service industries is not about the consumer subsidizing wages that the employer should be paying in the first place. It's simply a different and better system in which I personally much prefer by being able to influence the level of service I will receive by having control over the server's total compensation. The employees who accept these terms do so agreeably knowing that their performance directly dictates how much they can potentially earn. It's capitalism to perfection. Paying a flat wage that guarantees the employee's income regardless of performance in ANY industry is the concept that is absurd. That's Chapter 1 out of Das Kapital comrade.
@BSO Dave
What you are saying is 100% correct communist countries are not actually communist they are dictatorships as outlined by a few on this site.
BUT
Under the way communism was supposed to be it was supposed to make everyone equal with no class divisions, no unemployment and as stated previously a labourer was to be the same class as a CEO. This is communism in its purest form as outlined in Marxist ideology. Unfortunately it didn't work and ended up a proletariat dictatorship not a true communist ideal and the polar opposite of Marxist ideology of communism. The two ideologies are in fact diametrically opposed.
Bob.
 

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Under the way communism was supposed to be it was supposed to make everyone equal with no class divisions, no unemployment and as stated previously a labourer was to be the same class as a CEO. This is communism in its purest form as outlined in Marxist ideology. Unfortunately it didn't work and ended up a proletariat dictatorship not a true communist ideal and the polar opposite of Marxist ideology of communism. The two ideologies are in fact diametrically opposed.

Exactly..! :A Big Hello:
 
 

 

 

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