Three Sisters

[tarbe]

Ok, pretty meaningless post, unless you are a geek like me.

Three 400gr Hornady bullets...three different diameters...

 

[tarbe]

Of course, they are .410 (for the 450/400), .416 and .423.

 

[PLM]

Cool

 

[CAustin]

Now you aren't really loading any pitiful Hornady bullets are you?

 

[tarbe]

Now you aren't really loading any pitiful Hornady bullets are you?

Just for practice and Chipmunks, Charlie!

Hey...I don't think I have bashed them...not like Royal does (I can harass him as he is in the air heading southeast right now and cannot defend himself!).

 

[sierraone]

OK Tim, I give. What's your point? Everyone that shoots these calibers knows the difference in the diameters. Is this a trick question?

 

[CAustin]

I just got back from the Kansas City SCI monthly meeting! Great hunt report provided on a Cape buffalo hunt near Polokwane SA. The man shot the bull 13 times over two day! Yes that's right 13 times. He started out by explaining that during skinning they found that his first bullet hit on the shoulder had severely fragmented going off in three directions. Guess what the ammo was Federal Premium Trophy Bonded fired from a 458 WinMag.

 

[tarbe]

OK Tim, I give. What's your point? Everyone that shoots these calibers knows the difference in the diameters. Is this a trick question?

The relative sectional densities of the bullets are apparent from a glance...I thought it interesting to see how much longer the .410 bullet was vs the .423.

Of course, we all know the .410 bullet has the highest sectional density of the three. And all else being equal, higher sectional density equates to greater penetration.

And we all know that when it comes to DG hunting, penetration is job number two (after shot placement, which is always job number 1).

So this is my sly way of making a case for the Ruger No 1 450-400. You can get a higher sd bullet of 400 grains going up to 2,400 fps and do it using ~15% less powder than a Rigby. So a little less recoil, fewer brain cells killed (really important for me!).

Mostly, I jut like looking at guns, bullets, ammo.....

 

[tarbe]

So, no trick questions!

 

[sierraone]

So, no trick questions!

Just need to be a handloader to really get it! Thanks for the explanation!

 

[tarbe]

Now you aren't really loading any pitiful Hornady bullets are you?

Look what just came in Charlie @CAustin...250 more chipmunk bullets!

 

[CAustin]

Darn Tarbe people are really going to give you crap about subjecting poor chipmunks to an inferior grade bullet. Don't you understand that such crap bullets will mess up your entire chipmunk hunt and that the animals will suffer needlessly? I'm ashamed of you sir. Throw that crap Hornady stuff in the trash and get some real ammo!!

 

[tarbe]

I keep the velocity down to ensure the bullet does not come apart on those chipmunks.

Shot placement is everything.

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

Tim,

Your bullet comparison and observations are interesting. Are you still waiting on the arrival of your Ruger No.1 in 450/400? I've read where most come with a C weight barrel but Ruger also made some with a heavier D weight barrel. Any idea what your rifle-to-be has?

Dave

 

[Royal27]

Ok, pretty meaningless post, unless you are a geek like me.

Three 400gr Hornady bullets...three different diameters...

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Of course, they are .410 (for the 450/400), .416 and .423.

Oh, I thought you were showing Hornady QC problems again.

I just got back from the Kansas City SCI monthly meeting! Great hunt report provided on a Cape buffalo hunt near Polokwane SA. The man shot the bull 13 times over two day! Yes that's right 13 times. He started out by explaining that during skinning they found that his first bullet hit on the shoulder had severely fragmented going off in three directions. Guess what the ammo was Federal Premium Trophy Bonded fired from a 458 WinMag.

Nice straw man argument for Hornady Charlie.

Just for practice and Chipmunks, Charlie!

Hey...I don't think I have bashed them...not like Royal does (I can harass him as he is in the air heading southeast right now and cannot defend himself!).

Me bash???? Me not be able to defend myself???

 

[PeteG]

I keep the velocity down to ensure the bullet does not come apart on those chipmunks.

Shot placement is everything.

As long as you dont hit the big shoulder bone... that'll definitely cause them to fail

 

[CAustin]

As long as you dont hit the big shoulder bone... that'll definitely cause them to fail

Exactly sir! And then the animal in question, the iron skin Texas chipmunk, will most likely take a few seconds longer to DIE.
There are some who think the degree of "dead" will be less than that achieved from some other PREMIUM brand of ammunition! I am afraid that @tarbe has made a tragic error buying this Hornady stuff.

 

[tarbe]

Tim,

Your bullet comparison and observations are interesting. Are you still waiting on the arrival of your Ruger No.1 in 450/400? I've read where most come with a C weight barrel but Ruger also made some with a heavier D weight barrel. Any idea what your rifle-to-be has?

Dave

The Boddington Series Buffalo were all made with the C-weight barrel, as far as I know. The few D-weight barrels were all the standard catalog No 1 (except for the different barrel weight, of course).

I do think the 8 - 8.25lb weight is too light for a 450-400 that is not going to get scoped (I hope to not have to scope this rifle...going to play with the express sights plus I have a Skinner Peep on the bench waiting its turn).

If I leave mine un-scoped I will probably add some weight to slow the recoil impulse. 9 pounds sounds about right to me.

As for my musings...I was just re-organizing the bench and realized I had three 400gr bullets from the same maker in these slightly different diameters...so had to line them up for a family portrait.

No conclusions can be made, other than the conclusion that I am a geek.

Edit: do not have the rifle yet...but do have 80 rounds of ammo loaded, 120 more new empty cases and about 500 bullets on the bench, ready to go!


Tim

 

[tarbe]

Exactly sir! And then the animal in question, the iron skin Texas chipmunk, will most likely take a few seconds longer to DIE.
There are some who think the degree of "dead" will be less than that achieved from some other PREMIUM brand of ammunition! I am afraid that @tarbe has made a tragic error buying this Hornady stuff.

I am confident the DGS and DGX will perform adequately on the stud chipmunks we have here in Texas. I would want to upgrade to A-Frames or North Fork if going after the Montana sub-species.

 

[CAustin]

I am confident the DGS and DGX will perform adequately on the stud chipmunks we have here in Texas. I would want to upgrade to A-Frames or North Fork if going after the Montana sub-species.