Has anyone a clue as to what techniques work best with heavy recoiling rifles? I assume nobody does as there isn't any competition where better or worse methods could be worked out. In pistol shooting people thought they knew what worked, but it was only when various contests popped up that the losing techniques became evident. And that kind of thing has happened over and over with other styles of shooting. I was reading Keith and he mentioned some gizmo he was shooting that must have had a piston in it. He said it was pretty effective, but didn't work for him because the heaviest they sold topped out at 60 pounds of pre-compression force. Since he pulls a rifle into his shoulder with a lot more force than that, he didn't benefit from the gizmo. That set me to thinking about how much force one does pull the rifle into ones's shoulder with, and how much if any do you push forward with the shoulder, or is it relatively relaxed and essentially stretched back by the rifle butt. I certainly don't pull the rifle into my shoulder with more than 60 lbs of pressure. Modern doctrine on recoil control for action shooting seems based on pulling back with the hand, and pushing forward with the shoulder, and squaring up the body. **MENTIONING**LINKING**TO**FORUMS**NOT**PERMITTED** instructs this even with guns in the 308 range, and maybe higher. But that seems more like a .223 thing. I find it hard to do without tensing the torso. Which seems to be something that people don't recommend with the heavies. If one shoots anything long enough, it eventually falls into place, but that isn't the same thing as having technique worked out. I just wondered whether there is any doctrine on this stuff. There are schools, and there are departments that train people, so there could be some ideas out there to share.