Shooters under attack in Australia

[steve white]

Need a bit of humor? OK, so if it all hits the fan and you are going to lose some guns, save some of those ex-Maharahja gotten up doubles and such and palm them off to us Yanks for a better price before your government can get their hands on them....just trying to help you out, mates, (lol)

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

One difference that I think does matter. There less and less trust in the government.
On both sides. My grand dad let a friend borrow a Ithaca auto burglar when the law changed that you could not have a sb/sg wasn’t worth going through everything.
Did his friend turn it in I have no idea.
Now people trust what the government says less and less.
I don’t know any one that turned in a brace a bump stock when the law changed on them.
There might be some that went and bought said items.
With hurricane mikle back in 18 I know a game warden that was taking mre’s and water around. He told me flat out that he was asked about 50 times if he was going to disarm the people like they did in la with kintrna .
He is a a nephew of a very close friend and a friend.
He said there is no doubt that if he would have tried to take any guns he would have been lost in the swamp.

Some things seam to be changing for the better.

@Flbt
I don't trust any govt. They are only out to line their own pockets while in power. Promise everything,, give nothing but take heaps. Each side blames the other and no one will take responsibility for stuff ups.
There's 500,000 gun owners in Australia and they all vote the govt needs to listen.
During the wars the Australian soldier was highly regarded as most of them could shoot and grew up with guns. Our army now is made up of namby pamby pussies that had to be taught to shoot and the training is now a joke as they had to modify the training so people don't get hurt
God help them if they went to war. Ooh their using real bullets what do I do.
Bob

 

[BlueFlyer]

Our problem is the both the major political parties are anti-gun ownership. We have no major party to turn to to get some sanity into the discussion. It is easier for them to look to be doing something by tightening gun laws than acknowledge the failure of the very people that are responsible to ensure the safety of the Australian population.
The son was on an ASIO watch list and they investigate him for 6 months in 2019 due to his association with an ISIS preachers. Once they cleared him, they never kept monotoring him. His father then applied and was approved for an A & B category licence and no alarm bells went off! Then in Novemeber this year they went to the Phillipines for ISIS terrorist training and our government authorities failed again to detect the risk to our population.
The father legally bought straight pull shotguns and rifles yet the authorities failed to detect the risk.
This is not the only time the "authorities" that are tasked with ensuring the safety for the Australian society have failed. They failed with Dezi Freeman, they confiscated his guns and then issued his wife with a gun license - how does that work. He killed 2 policemen and they still have not found him.
In WA there was an estranged husband that was a licenced hand gun owner. The wife and children pleaded with the police to confiscate his firearms due to the threats he was making and the restaining order the courts had imposed. The police failed to act and he murdered a friend of the wife and her daughter whilst trying to locate his wife!
It is far easier for the politicians to ban more guns than is is for them to resource the very people who are responsible to detect and control the real risks to our society. They were meant to install a national register of firearms in 1996 and they still have not done it.
The whole situation is very disappointing and frustrating especially for those families that have been horrendously affected by the failures of the Australian authorities.

 

[Altitude sickness]

My first exposure to Australia was a visit in 1980. And then over the years we did some projects with the Australian Navy. I can’t believe we are talking about the same country.


But to be sanctimonious, or think it will never happen in the U.S. because of the 2nd Amendment is no longer true. The Leftists/Socialist party that will eventually get their turn at bat. Will immediately stack the Supreme Court. Give DC and Puerto Rico statehood with the new Supreme Courts blessing.

The only guardrails keeping the things we think as immutable on the rails. Is everybody playing by the rules.

Once the New Democrat/Socialist party is in power realizes there really is nothing making them follow those norms. it’s over.

And if you think the majority is going rise up, you’re also wrong there. The 9 to 5 guy that has a mortgage, two car payments, wife and kids is not going give up his 4 or 5 guns in a heartbeat your wrong.

That leaves the die hards to pick off and make extreme examples of. Then most will get in line. They don’t have to round everybody up at once as is often thought. They will pick off a few at a time and show the masses what happened to them?


So don’t stand too high and mighty over our poor Aussie friends. It can definitely happen here.

 

[Sideshow]

Astounding, disgusting, assinine action by politicians BUT who put them in that position? The not so bright public by voting them in. You(they) wanted it, voted for it, got it. Now you (they) have to shut up and live with it. Hopefully next time people will wise up and vote intelligently.

Well they did in NZ that awful politician Jacinda Ardern got the boot…off overseas and needs special protection whenever going back to NZ.
There was that much hate her government divided the country so much. If you were out of the country you could not vote. Well that changed I now have a vote “AND BLOODY WELL USE IT”! Voted for a new party that’s doing good things and trying to right the wrongs.
But for my Australian cousins they will now have a very stiff against the tide fight. The Green Party has a huge sway over there has for a very long time. Plus they have a Labour government so I feel it will be much like the poster below

 

[pjaln]

George soros and his fellow commies have been ruining white run nations for 30 years ,they buy politicians with cash ,they import illegals ,,,funny that its jews that were targeted but its mostly prominent globalist billionaire jews who support the invasion and have always supported gun control

 

[Sarg]

Not sure if it’s common knowledge but Australia has been struggling with “Radical Islam” for over 110yrs when a couple of ex Camel handlers, turned Ice Cream Man & a Bucther in 1915 shot up the Picnic train ?

Mass murder weapons of the day, a pair of single shots in .577S - 577/450 - Snider & Martini ?

Broken Hill, New Year's Day, 1915 was Australia's first terrorist attack

 

[Flbt]

George soros and his fellow commies have been ruining white run nations for 30 years ,they buy politicians with cash ,they import illegals ,,,funny that its jews that were targeted but its mostly prominent globalist billionaire jews who support the invasion and have always supported gun control

Well what do you expect for a Jew that worked with the nazis

 

[Vinootz]

I wouldn’t put it past anti gunner government operatives to stage an incident like this so they can remove firearms from citizens.

 

[Vinootz]

Our problem is the both the major political parties are anti-gun ownership. We have no major party to turn to to get some sanity into the discussion. It is easier for them to look to be doing something by tightening gun laws than acknowledge the failure of the very people that are responsible to ensure the safety of the Australian population.
The son was on an ASIO watch list and they investigate him for 6 months in 2019 due to his association with an ISIS preachers. Once they cleared him, they never kept monotoring him. His father then applied and was approved for an A & B category licence and no alarm bells went off! Then in Novemeber this year they went to the Phillipines for ISIS terrorist training and our government authorities failed again to detect the risk to our population.
The father legally bought straight pull shotguns and rifles yet the authorities failed to detect the risk.
This is not the only time the "authorities" that are tasked with ensuring the safety for the Australian society have failed. They failed with Dezi Freeman, they confiscated his guns and then issued his wife with a gun license - how does that work. He killed 2 policemen and they still have not found him.
In WA there was an estranged husband that was a licenced hand gun owner. The wife and children pleaded with the police to confiscate his firearms due to the threats he was making and the restaining order the courts had imposed. The police failed to act and he murdered a friend of the wife and her daughter whilst trying to locate his wife!
It is far easier for the politicians to ban more guns than is is for them to resource the very people who are responsible to detect and control the real risks to our society. They were meant to install a national register of firearms in 1996 and they still have not done it.
The whole situation is very disappointing and frustrating especially for those families that have been horrendously affected by the failures of the Australian authorities.

Registration leads to confiscation !

 

[Vinootz]

Guns aren’t the problem. Radical Islam is. Nobody wants to talk about it, but (despite being a Muslim) you’re hearing it from me.

The father & son Jihadist duo studied at Al-Murad. An organization which stated in the past that Jewish people are the eternal sworn enemies of Islam. That should have been the first & only red flag necessary to cause alarm bells to go off. What did you think was going to happen ? It was only a matter of time.

Any half competent government appointed risk assessment analyst would simply make a list of every Islamic institution which teaches principles based based on the Hadiths (the Islamic books which declare “Holy War” against “Infidels”) and then suggest that they be shut down.

But instead of daring to speak out about shutting down institutions like this in Australia, the government thinks it’s better to tighten gun ownership laws.

This should speak volumes about the IQ of the people running things in our countries.

Fine, let them ban the guns. The Jihadists will simply start strapping explosives to themselves or start ramming cars into public places.

Oh, wait… they already do that.

Maybe low IQ. Ever consider they close their eyes intentionally? Knowing damn well there will be an inevitable incident. And then take your guns.
Consider the possibility it is an intentional scheme by your government. I know some of you think this way and don’t blame you for keeping your mouths shut.
Considering you don’t have a 1st amendment (free speech). Look at how they have just arrested people in England for voicing themselves on social media.
I’m not saying this conspiracy is certain but just to keep your minds open for vile ,evil agendas. At the least it will keep you reading between the lines and appropriately wary. Time to step up up and push back. Seriously.

 

[Rule 303]

Where to start. I agree with Bob, R8, Hunter Habib, and many others. Sarg that picknick train was out of Broken Hill and yes most (99.99999 per cent) don't know about it let alone forget it.

So the info I had as of 48Hrs after the terrorist attack. Father applied for a shooters License back around 2013 and failed to carry out the requirements so the application lapsed in 2015. 2019 he applied again and it took 3 years before approval, WTF. Son known to go to radical Islamic gatherings/groups/places of worship. Both were known to go to the Philippines in November and attend ISIS military training camp. Both were known to travel on Indian Passports. Yet nothing was done.

As said this is a failure of our security/intelligence/police system/people. Queensland, Northern Territory and Victoria have said they are not going to follow the Federal and NSW leads. The Premier of Victoria is as left as the others. The differences are, her husband is a keen hunter and shooter and several of the bigger unions have told her and her processor ( if he wasn't working directly for Beijing I would be extremely surprised) they would lose Union support and money if they changed things.

Blue Flyer pointed out several other times Australian authorities have stuffed up and people died. One he missed was the Hoddle Street murders in Melbourne. That bloke was out on bail for assault in Canberra. The Federal Police claim they notified the Victorian Police who claim they received no such notification?????? Was it the AFP sent the info by snail mail and by the time the Vic Police got it, it was too late?????

WE talk about been Multi Cultural. This has never worked in history as it is decisive, cosmopolitanism, does. This is where there is only the countries culture and everybody else assimilates, yet some of the immigrants' ways are absorbed into the host culture.

Just my two bob (20 cents) worth.
This woman is an ex Iranian and now an Aussie through and through.
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[Doug Hamilton]

Whilst I deplore the recent shootings at a Jewish festival at Bondi beach and condemn this act of violence against these or any other people's I deplore the NSW government reaction to legal and licenced gun owner as well.
This act was a terrorist attack and the politicians are saying it's not a gun issue but a terrorist issue.
Despite this they are out to tighten gun control even further to law abiding citizens.
This will limit the amount of guns we can own to 4 .
Lever relt, straight pull and some other types will become Cat C making them almost impossible to own. This even includes the blazer R8.

The stupidity of our government has to be heard to be believed.
They are going to outlaw high capacity belt fed rifles and shotguns. We as hunters and shooters have NEVER BEEN ALLOWED to own belt fed weapons but idiot Joe public doesn't know this and applauds the government decision and will feel safer .
This is another knee jerk reaction by our stupid govt to limit gun ownership because of a terrorist attack.
For more details on our government stupidity you can google the new proposed laws.

My sympathy and the sympathy of all Australian shooters goes out to the families of those killed and injured in this terrible TERRORIST ATTACK.
I will finish by reiterating what some of our saner political people have said. This WAS NOTa gun problem it was a terror problem.
I just hope our shooters fishers and farmers party can reign in some of this government proposed stupidity.
Bob

Hey Bob,

Can you think of anything that we can do from here in the US? Maybe send a message that we are going to cancel plans to travel or spend money in Australia? Seams kind of feeble. If you can think.of anything, you have a lot of friends here, let us know.

I know things are looking grim now but Merry Christmas and my best for the New Year.

Doug

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Hey Bob,

Can you think of anything that we can do from here in the US? Maybe send a message that we are going to cancel plans to travel or spend money in Australia? Seams kind of feeble. If you can think.of anything, you have a lot of friends here, let us know.

I know things are looking grim now but Merry Christmas and my best for the New Year.

Doug

@Doug Hamilton
Thank you for your kind offer but I don't think that will make any difference.
Our sporting shooters association as of 1pm today have 70,000. Signatures protesting against the government changes. The majority of those are shooter that vote.
That's only one organisation there's others that are doing the same.
The government needs to think long and hard about these changes. Any govt supporting them will not be elected again and they won't like that.
The Shooters, fishers and farmers party have a big voice in our NSW government so will stand up for us. I can see in excess of 100,000 signatures against this proposal of stupidity.
Watch this space and pray they see reason.
It wasn't the guns it was the TERRORISTS THAT WERE The ISSUE.
Our state and federal police are now under review being asked why they didn't do something when they knew about the persons activity. They have a lot to answer for
Is it a conspiracy they let it happen so they could make gun ownership harder is floating around
I personally don't think so I think they dropped the ball doing their respective jobs
Bob

 

[BlueFlyer]

The Premier of Victoria is as left as the others. The differences are, her husband is a keen hunter and shooter and several of the bigger unions have told her and her processor ( if he wasn't working directly for Beijing I would be extremely surprised) they would lose Union support and money if they changed things.

I hope you are correct. I have heard that the Unions were also behind the retention of the duck season in Vic.
The writing was on the wall when WA started retricting the number of guns you could own. When WA did that I was renewing my license, so I changed my reason for having a license to Primary Producer, as I could. Farmers in WA were given to ability to own 10 guns were as everyone else was restricted to 5 firarms.
Only time will tell how this all ends up, but it is always going to be difficult to own firearms down here.

 

[Rubberhead]

Liberals will never stop. They don't want your guns so much as it's your guns that get in their way of controlling you...

Authoritarians (ie, liberals in charge) won't stop until every man is disarmed, until every woman is a lesbian, and until every kid is on some form of drug that makes them easy to control.

 

[Altitude sickness]

Just another example of a government F’ing things up. Then enacting their solution to fix their mess. The top of the list is always the same fix. We need more of your money. And more of your freedom.

So the Australian government is taking the blame for their ineptitude. They didn’t do the job Aussies paid them to do. Then the answer is to take the peasants guns. Of course they are not taking the blame.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Just another example of a government F’ing things up. Then enacting their solution to fix their mess. The top of the list is always the same fix. We need more of your money. And more of your freedom.

So the Australian government is taking the blame for their ineptitude. They didn’t do the job Aussies paid them to do. Then the answer is to take the peasants guns. Of course they are not taking the blame.

@Altitude sickness
Watching the news this morning there a big push back on the NSW govt proposed changes to the laws not only by gun owners but others as well, even some politicians.
As of 1pm yesterday the SSAA had 70,000 signatures opposing the changes. That's a lot of voters.
Bob

 

[Doug Hamilton]

@Doug Hamilton
Thank you for your kind offer but I don't think that will make any difference.
Our sporting shooters association as of 1pm today have 70,000. Signatures protesting against the government changes. The majority of those are shooter that vote.
That's only one organisation there's others that are doing the same.
The government needs to think long and hard about these changes. Any govt supporting them will not be elected again and they won't like that.
The Shooters, fishers and farmers party have a big voice in our NSW government so will stand up for us. I can see in excess of 100,000 signatures against this proposal of stupidity.
Watch this space and pray they see reason.
It wasn't the guns it was the TERRORISTS THAT WERE The ISSUE.
Our state and federal police are now under review being asked why they didn't do something when they knew about the persons activity. They have a lot to answer for
Is it a conspiracy they let it happen so they could make gun ownership harder is floating around
I personally don't think so I think they dropped the ball doing their respective jobs
Bob

Best of luck to you Mate.

Doug

 

[double rifle newbie]

staunch pro-gun, commone sense immigration people need to run for office. focusing on these two items actually spills over and addeesses many more problems that western countries are having. people need to rise up and get involved politically.