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[Tubby’s Canteen]

The whole thing started by someone getting their panties in a wad over the mention of poison, claiming it's unethical, and the anti's are going to descend on us in droves
In an urban setting like California where killing Coyotes would be highly illegal, what would be more ethical, poison, or a high powered pneumatic weapon?
It's like debating what came first, the chicken or the egg?

It was the mention of treble hooking I actually took exception too , there is no argument that can be made for the use of fishing tackle on large game.

 

[Brent in Az]

When I was a kid the Feds used to drop coyote bait. The problem was more than the coyotes ate the stuff.

That's true. Scavengers will die from a poisoned carcass.
It's one of the reasons strychnine and 1080 were banned(Mostly).

 

[Brent in Az]

9/11 was something that always weighed heavily on my soul. It was a day that the U.S got caught with its pants down, and a few thousand innocents lost their lives.

10 years later......a little retribution, followed by a mysterious sea burial.

I found this video interesting and informative. I hadn't seen it before.
A tale told by a Seal Team 6 member.

 

[1dirthawker]

n an urban setting like California where killing Coyotes would be highly illegal, what would be more ethical, poison, or a high powered pneumatic weapon?

what i was trying to get at:

an air rifle is precise. poison is not. crack the door or window open 4", bet back 10' inside a room and place a precise shot at an animal (base of the ear) ON YOUR PROPERTY and nobody knows and there is no incidental damage to other animals that might occur with a poison.

i live in a place where i am going to solve my own problems, not wait for the government to do it for me OR let something bad happen. air rifles are a great way to get that done.

 

[WAB]

I would argue that if properly done, you could create a socialist society with the same check and balances we have today in our capitalist societies. Like I said, not advocating for anything, just being curious, what would Cuba be like in 2026 if it was never sanctioned?

I vehemently disagree. The beauty of a free market society is that it allows all individuals to behave in their own self interest. Thus the dispersed knowledge of society is used to create the solution of greatest value.

Socialism of any ilk, believes that a few smart people in central control can create a higher value solution than the summation of the dispersed knowledge possessed by the entire population. This is arrogance of a monumental scale that has failed in every variant tried.

To put it another way, if you restrict the knowledge applied to a problem, you will come up with a suboptimal solution.

 

[Brent in Az]

what i was trying to get at:

an air rifle is precise. poison is not. crack the door or window open 4", bet back 10' inside a room and place a precise shot at an animal (base of the ear) ON YOUR PROPERTY and nobody knows and there is no incidental damage to other animals that might occur with a poison.

i live in a place where i am going to solve my own problems, not wait for the government to do it for me OR let something bad happen. air rifles are a great way to get that done.

A plastic pop bottle taped to the barrel of a .22 mag works well....wink....wink

 

[wesheltonj]

I vehemently disagree. The beauty of a free market society is that it allows all individuals to behave in their own self interest. Thus the dispersed knowledge of society is used to create the solution of greatest value.

Socialism of any ilk, believes that a few smart people in central control can create a higher value solution than the summation of the dispersed knowledge possessed by the entire population. This is arrogance of a monumental scale that has failed in every variant tried.

To put it another way, if you restrict the knowledge applied to a problem, you will come up with a suboptimal solution.

They all think they are the smartest folks the room. I deal with this constantly mainly D's. They are even close.

 

[deewayne2003]

It is a temporary/seasonal worker visa. There is not path to permanent residency and they have to leave after 10 months or less before they are allowed to come back.

We do need a temporary farm worker program.

We already have them, the apple farmers in Michigan and sheep ranchers in the west are known for these programs that are legal, productive and provide housing for their workers onsite.

Those guys get grade a help and make money, especially some apple farmers make big bucks with the huge contracts; and it’s exactly in the spirit of what Cesar Chavez wanted with the farm workers union to protect legal works and to quote him directly…

“To keep Mexico from exporting their poverty to the UNITED STATES; illegal immigrants force the wages to exactly that poverty wages for our union workers.”

The farm workers union was notoriously anti illegal immigration and even violently so.

Some of the old interviews of Chavez resurfaced where he talks about the united farm workers “Operation Wetback” and he goes into vivid detail….. and shortly after his longtime mistress accuses him of sexual assault despite having his child and previously calling him the Spanish speaking MLK.

 

[Big_Easy]

How long before these radicals pull a McVeigh, and load a truck with ammonium nitrate and nitromethane?

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Scared of some fireworks now Brent?

 

[deewayne2003]

I vehemently disagree. The beauty of a free market society is that it allows all individuals to behave in their own self interest. Thus the dispersed knowledge of society is used to create the solution of greatest value.

Socialism of any ilk, believes that a few smart people in central control can create a higher value solution than the summation of the dispersed knowledge possessed by the entire population. This is arrogance of a monumental scale that has failed in every variant tried.

To put it another way, if you restrict the knowledge applied to a problem, you will come up with a suboptimal solution.

I was just reading an article about how what you described above on so many levels is being brought to the surface from the Ukraine invasion.

The author who is of Russian birth and in his youth fled to the UK, explains how the Russian elite class and many Russians in general cannot fully conceptualize the west because they cannot truly fathom a society with the comparatively minimal corruption.

Think about it, even some of the most notorious African dictators were western educated or had other exposure to western culture; hell even the even Kim Jong Un went to Swedish boarding school.

So consider the last generation of Soviet trained inner Putin circle to be the equivalent of the Beverly Hillbilly’s with nuclear weapons and yachts.

 

[Big_Easy]

That's the dumbest thing I've seen all day.
Besides, I doubt Big Easy is a manly sport type of guy. More of a drag queen story telling time interest.

Yes but if the drag queen has bigger balls than Brent, does it then count as a manly sport then? Asking for a friend.

 

[Big_Easy]

You are literally making my point, giving them money is the same as giving them flour, it will result in them using it to buy rockets.

When you go to the local dealership and buy your next truck, as the salesman how many sacks of flour it costs? When you go to an apple store and attempt to buy a new iPhone, how many bags of rice does it cost? What about some new furniture, how many bottles of aspirin will they take for it? The idea that food and medicine is the same thing as cash is absurd.

You are greatly overstating the settlements, and I will admit I dont know much about it...

The ones recognized by Israel court are populated by 450-500K settlers. The illegal ones by their own court number in the 20-40K depending upon source. Thats a lot of land and home stealing.

I dont think Israel is shitting on civilians in Palestine

A quick internet search would conclude otherwise.

Israel was given them flour and apparently suitcases of cash, doesnt sound like a shitting in situation.

The flour went to the people, the suitcase cash went directly to the terrorist government in Gaza, not the same thing.

I agree 100% with your statement on rights, but someone who mentioned being worried about rights yet are defending a government that throws people off a building because they are gay.

I have never once defended the Palestinian government. This is a classic right-wing tactic to conflate the people with someone in a position of power, currently a terrorist organization in Gaza.

You obviously arent fighting for those rights. You aren't fighting for the rights of the people taken hostage by Hamas.

And how exactly have you made this determination? Because I said Israel shouldn't shit on Palestinians? I also believe that it's been reported that Hamas no longer has anymore hostages, so how am I supposed to fight for their rights?

You can't talk about hypocrisy and say you are for all rights and simp for Hamas (and yes I know what it means).

Ah yes, more insults. Wasn't @Altitude sickness just giving me shit about that earlier in the day?

As someone who consistently points out atrocities committed by all governments, you seem to be oddly in favor of more government control.

And by "in favor of government control" you mean my advocacy for more rules/regulations regarding the current bastardized capitalist experiment that we are running here? I'm not sure how one connects that to human rights abuses, but I'd be happy to hear about it.

 

[steve white]

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Apply facial recognition tech to this photo and SEE if it is true!

 

[1dirthawker]

I would argue that if properly done, you could create a socialist society with the same check and balances we have today in our capitalist societies. Like I said, not advocating for anything, just being curious, what would Cuba be like in 2026 if it was never sanctioned?

yeah, only been tried about 100 times and still never successful. you should run YOUR business like a socialist party. risk all the capital, work YOUR butt off, when it finally gets going, share ALL the profits with each member of the business equally, oh, and let them have an equal say on how it runs....just stupid.

 

[fourfive8]

yeah, only been tried about 100 times and still never successful. you should run YOUR business like a socialist party. risk all the capital, work YOUR butt off, when it finally gets going, share ALL the profits with each member of the business equally, oh, and let them have an equal say on how it runs....just stupid.

Yep. Always the same, lame, stupid comeback, “If done correctly it would work”. “We or I know how to do it.” What a load of CRP! Hell, one of the earliest English settlements here, Jamestown, tried it and quickly abandoned the idea as unworkable and if continued would have certainly ended in the demise of the community.

 

[LivingTheDream]

When you go to the local dealership and buy your next truck, as the salesman how many sacks of flour it costs? When you go to an apple store and attempt to buy a new iPhone, how many bags of rice does it cost? What about some new furniture, how many bottles of aspirin will they take for it? The idea that food and medicine is the same thing as cash is absurd.


The ones recognized by Israel court are populated by 450-500K settlers. The illegal ones by their own court number in the 20-40K depending upon source. Thats a lot of land and home stealing.


A quick internet search would conclude otherwise.


The flour went to the people, the suitcase cash went directly to the terrorist government in Gaza, not the same thing.


I have never once defended the Palestinian government. This is a classic right-wing tactic to conflate the people with someone in a position of power, currently a terrorist organization in Gaza.


And how exactly have you made this determination? Because I said Israel shouldn't shit on Palestinians? I also believe that it's been reported that Hamas no longer has anymore hostages, so how am I supposed to fight for their rights?


Ah yes, more insults. Wasn't @Altitude sickness just giving me shit about that earlier in the day?


And by "in favor of government control" you mean my advocacy for more rules/regulations regarding the current bastardized capitalist experiment that we are running here? I'm not sure how one connects that to human rights abuses, but I'd be happy to hear about it.

Sir, at no point have I tried to insult you, but I feel like you struggle at connecting dots.

If in my monthly budget you buy all my food, and all my Healthcare, for me and my family than I have more money to spend on other things. It really isnt the complicated.

You have consistently defended the Palenstinian government and have used the excuse of land settlements, though you have referred to them as terrorists so you do have that going for you. There are numerous examples of Israelis helping Palenstine and Palestinian people (a quick good search will prove that factual), as mentioned Palenstine would have no drinkable water or food if not for Israel.

When you give government control, it will eventually lead to human rights abuses, we have brought up numerous examples of when a government is given too much power it doesnt work out well for the people. How you think it will stop at more regulations and not lead to humam rights abuses I don't understand.

At this point we are talking pass each other, I hope you actually make it to Africa, its a wonderful place.

 

[Altitude sickness]

When you go to the local dealership and buy your next truck, as the salesman how many sacks of flour it costs? When you go to an apple store and attempt to buy a new iPhone, how many bags of rice does it cost? What about some new furniture, how many bottles of aspirin will they take for it? The idea that food and medicine is the same thing as cash is absurd.


The ones recognized by Israel court are populated by 450-500K settlers. The illegal ones by their own court number in the 20-40K depending upon source. Thats a lot of land and home stealing.


A quick internet search would conclude otherwise.


The flour went to the people, the suitcase cash went directly to the terrorist government in Gaza, not the same thing.


I have never once defended the Palestinian government. This is a classic right-wing tactic to conflate the people with someone in a position of power, currently a terrorist organization in Gaza.


And how exactly have you made this determination? Because I said Israel shouldn't shit on Palestinians? I also believe that it's been reported that Hamas no longer has anymore hostages, so how am I supposed to fight for their rights?


Ah yes, more insults. Wasn't @Altitude sickness just giving me shit about that earlier in the day?


And by "in favor of government control" you mean my advocacy for more rules/regulations regarding the current bastardized capitalist experiment that we are running here? I'm not sure how one connects that to human rights abuses, but I'd be happy to hear about it.

When everyone around you is starving, you could buy 100 trucks with a bag of flour,

 

[mdwest]

A plastic pop bottle taped to the barrel of a .22 mag works well....wink....wink

These days a .22 wmr suppressor is almost as cheap as a plastic pop bottle… I picked with my $0 tax stamp Lyman sonicore .22 can on Saturday.. $179…

Just sayin

 

[Altitude sickness]

We dismiss these shape shifters at our own peril. Most simpletons don’t see this as pandering.

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[skydiver386]

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is very complicated. At some risk let me try to add some perspective.

"Illegal" is a broad term, but most jurists agree that the Israeli settlers are acting in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention sections of occupation. While the United States (and others) are not signatories to the ICC, they are signatories to the Fourth Geneva Convention.

If anyone wants to really discuss the legality of the Israeli settlements I recommend you read those sections before you start. That statute is the foundation of the issue.

The American position has been nuanced. At various times they have stated those actions are illegal, while at other times they have refrained from using that term and referred to them as "illegitimate, provocative and obstacles to peace." The United States' reasoning (as I understand it) is that they prefer a diplomatic solution to the conflict and believe that a simple position of "illegal" or "legal" reduces room for diplomatic efforts. For what it's worth I think Reagan etc were quite right about that.

Trump has leaned away from the traditional "illegitimate" approach more toward's Israel's position but has not abandoned it entirely. He too is discovering that on various issues Israel can be a difficult ally to contain.

One of the problems that Israel faces in reaching any kind of agreement with the Palestinian people is that they don't have a singular legitimate body you can negotiate with to reach an agreement. At least with Israel you know who you have to negotiate with.

The second problem that Israel (and the world) faces in achieving a solution to the Palestinian issue is that no effective Palestinian group has recognized Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state.

Until there is a singular representative group of the Palestinian people that recognizes the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state, it seems unlikely any significant diplomatic progress can be made.

Not to pick a fight, but after examining the claims of the so called "Palestinians", I find most of them to be baseless. If we go back just 150-200 years, most of these so called Palestinians came from Jordan (ethnic Heshemites), or Egypt. They never owned land in the area now claimed as a Jewish State.

To start off, the Jews have maintained a continuous presence throughout the area, including North Africa, Arabia, and Persia for nearly 3,500 years. However, this presence does not mean ownership, of land or anything else, for Israelites or Arabs.

When photography became widespread, it shocked most Americans to learn that the "Holy Land" was so sparsely populated. Samuel Clements, known to the World as Mark Twain described much of the countryside as being devoid of human presence.

Abroad, Mark Twain, 1867.​

Excerpt from The Innocents Abroad, Mark Twain, 1867.​

There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent [valley of Jezreel] — not for 30 miles in either direction… One may ride ten miles hereabouts and not see ten human beings. … For the sort of solitude to make one dreary, come to Galilee … Nazareth is forlorn … Jericho lies a moldering ruin … Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and humiliation… untenanted by any living creature… A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds … a silent, mournful expanse … a desolation … We never saw a human being on the whole route … Hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil had almost deserted the country … Of all the lands there are for dismal scenery Palestine must be the prince. The hills barren and dull, the valleys unsightly deserts [inhabited by] swarms of beggars with ghastly sores and malformations. Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes … desolate and unlovely …

Hardly the bustling Palestinian population center they would have us believe.

Even worse for the Arab argument is the fact that most were Bedouins who were perpetual wanderers, and therefore owned no land. Many were actually of Jordanian birth, and possessed Jordanian papers.

The Jews on the other hand, purchased the land from it's Ottoman Turk owners, at exorbitant prices. The Jews actually hold title to much of the land. Even the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin Al Husseini was compelled to admit this to the British Peel Commission in 1937. Al Husseini and his family were on lists of individuals who had sold land to Jews, while at the same time organizing strikes and violent riots that killed dozens of Jews as soon as they moved onto the land.

This same Haj Amin Al Husseini spent most of WWII under the protection of Adolf Hitler.

Al Husseini eventually helped to form a Muslim SS Division within the German Army. Not so much to be used in combat against Russia or the Western Allies, but to round up and ship Jews in southern Europe and Arabia to the Death Camps.

In the picture below, Al Husseini tours the Trebbin Concentration Camp just south of Berlin.

In this photo dated 1943, Al Husseini meets with Heinrich Himmler. There can be absolutely no doubt that the entire leadership of Muslim "Palestine" knew the fate of the Jews they were persecuting, and shipping to the Death Camps.

The entire story of how the Jews stole the land in 1948, and therefore created Palestinian hatred is a fabrication.

Back to the actual question of who owns the land, and where the so called "Palestinians" are actually from.

The Heshemites and Egyptians who came to the area for work after the Jews established farms, did not own land, or count themselves as "Palestinians" as that was a pejorative term for Jews at the time.

You can't steal land from people who never owned it, or were citizens of other countries.

After the War of 1948, Arab leaders expelled Jewish Communities all over the Arab World, often at gunpoint, and into the new nation of israel. Funny how no Arab source bothers to mention the expulsion and widespread Pogroms against Jews in Muslim Countries.

Arabs within Israel were forced out, often returning to the lands their parents had come from prior to 1900. The Arabs call this the NAQBA, or disaster. Arab Leaders, including Al Husseini, told Muslim residents of what became Israel to leave, as it would make it easier to kill the Jews if they were all in one place.

Hard to claim your land was stolen when your Leadership tells you to leave so your neighbors will be easier to kill. Then when you lose, those same neighbors don't let you back in?

Bottom line?

I don't feel one ounce of pity for the Arab population in that region, nor do I believe they have much of a legal leg to stand on as far as land ownership. They sowed the wind....