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[WAB]

He responded to my post (I see the effort though content is blocked). A classic troll. Note the immediate effort to try to get any sort of conflict going where he can feed his compulsions.

I am amazed at the level of energy expended by legitimate members on this troll. He is a complete waste of time, and yet he continues to get what he obviously wants, conflict.

 

[WAB]

Hardisty doesn’t really have much access to fresh water. The Battle River isn’t the mightiest river around, and can be walked across in the summer.
Hence the industrial heartland around the Fort Saskatchewan area just off of the North Saskatchewan. Plenty of raw water to feed those boilers.

Fair point. I picked Hardisty because the crude pipeline to Casper originates there. Convert that pipeline to refined products and you access the least efficient, highest margin market in the US.

 

[Killingtime]

Reply to 1). He's associating the demise of the family (and the black family in particular) with the rise in the welfare state. But whenever I hear someone say where are all the black fathers at? I always remind them...in prison, they're in prison, where you put them. For non-violent drug offenses. What you posted was his opinion, but I'd like to see some actual research that can determine the effect the war on poverty had, versus the effect a failed war on drugs has had on the black family. It's interesting that you choose Sowell, as I've seen many on here do before, as well as some choosing Friedman, although I detest the later. The war on poverty and the war on drugs ramped-up at almost the same exact same time. Both Sowell and Friedman were very much for the decriminalization and legalization of drugs. I've always found it curious that so many on the right trumpet only their policies that they agree with, while completely ignoring the ones they don't. One of my all-time favorites is below:

"...In a 1994 interview, Mr. Ehrlichman said, “You want to know what this was really all about?” He went on:

“The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left, and negroes. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or Black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and Blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”..."

Reply to 2). I'm sure that his show was overly dramatic, I mean it is Hollywood after all. But 2 points still remain. A) That the schools were harsh, and many times children were taken from a least one surviving parent or family member and placed in the schools. Many of the schools and "charities" were fronts to get unpaid labor out of children. Many families adopted out of love, many did not. I do not wish for policies to send us back to such times, simply because of distrust in the government. B) They have found numerous bodies at these sites since at least 1974. They haven't found any in the past few years, as only a few schools have been searched though. But plenty of evidence with cadaver dogs and ground penetrating radar exist. It's easy to say no bodies exist when no one is actively looking. And no, we don't know how they died, it could be from a variety of issues. But there are plenty of interviews and recorded stories of individuals who attended such schools, and attested to said brutal conditions.

The Heartbreaking Tale of Orphan Trains

There are few tragedies more heartbreaking than being an orphan. But, in the 1800s in the United States, that tragedy brought with it unimaginable dimensions of loss, abuse, and violence. Orphanages were established to save children from the streets. But they often became places of horror. And...

www.notesfromthefrontier.com

https://pages.jh.edu/jhumag/496web/orphange.html

Reply to 3). Both things can be true. Robber barons were shit human beings who later in life tried to atone for their sins and the brutal working conditions that they forced the unwashed masses into. In an attempt to improve their images and leave a better legacy for their family names.

Reply to 5). It actually mostly occurred prior to the Spanish Flu, WWI, and the Depression. In fact the orphan trains stopped in 1929 with the onset of the depression. The system started falling apart around 1908-1909 when President Rosevelt held the White House Conference on the Care of Dependent Children.

"if fdr hadn’t stepped in the depression would have only lasted 12-18 months not years."....A) I'm sorry but this seems to be another conspiracy theory on the right to try and tarnish FDRs image. The Depression started with the economic crash in the Fall of 29. FDR wasn't even elected until the Fall of 32, and started in the beginning of 33. The depression was already 3.5 years by that time. B) Even if A were true, many on the right seem to forget just how bad the depression was. You literally had bodies lying in the streets. The unemployment rate was 25+%. That wasn't going to just clear itself up in a few more months.

1. My point with LBJ is his welfare state affected every race in America. Look up the percentage of children raised in a single parent household from 1950- to today. It’s double for every demographic or higher. I grew up reading Friedman I preferred sowell, and rothbard and von mises.
When I was younger I at one time believed to let people live their life as long as they are not using force in others… I had seen the Portugal crime drop from legalization of drugs and thought it may work here.. Oregon, and Washington have proven that thought wrong.

2. On the orphans I’m not denying orphan business in the 19th century. It was a problem in Europe centuries prior what I was referring to was the claims of churches massacring native kids( you may not have directly made that claim) but when natives are brought up with churches of the 19,20th century lately that’s what they site.

5. On the FDR point it was my mistake to type 12-18 months. That mark was attributed to the federal reserve removing money supply and letting banks get ran on. Which was the main purpose they were created to stop. The Atlanta federal reserve is a good case study because they had a much quicker recovery because they lowered rates and lended more.
I am aware of FDR becoming president in 33 and it has been argued by historians and economists( Harold Cole, Jim Powell, Lee ohanian) that raising taxes, wage mandates and policies like (NIRA,AAA) helped slow business recovery . You are welcome to disagree with that assessment even some of it I do at times but once again research the Atlanta federal reserve from 30-31 there’s evidence that if the fed had followed that prescription FDR’s policies wouldn’t have matter much but since the federal reserve removed 30% of the money supply during a crash it made things much worse. And FDR keeping high taxes might not be the smartest idea at that time

 

[Tbitty]

This character is a troll. He is not a serious or even meaningful contributor. He only participates on this site and this thread because in his wretched little world he gets off on causing people to respond. For some of his type its porn, others dope - but the personality and its dependency are the same thing. I suppose having a participant with the intellectual maturity of a 12-year-old is one of the costs of having this particular thread. It draws them like rotting meat draws blow flies. At least the flies provide larvae to clean up the environment. Literally put him on ignore. It banishes him and his ilk as thoroughly as he ceased to exist. Whatever he writes, however nasty he responds, whatever names he uses, whatever logic he twists, no one even sees it - much less gratifies his warped needs. I have not read a thing he has posted in a while.

As one who has indulged him a few times, I finally gave up trying to use facts and reasoning after our latest exchange. I chuckled at his response to me, then hit the ignore button to no longer waste my time.

 

[Tbitty]

I obviously don’t know the answer to your question, but I have to say that that was a ridiculous call, and I am glad it was overturned. It certainly deserved a yellow, but there is no way the intent was there to justify a red.

I think both sides of this coin are correct.

It was a terrible call, VAR was used improperly to administer the Red Card in the first place, and should have been overturned.

It also is a terrible decision by the corrupt FIFA to go back on their own rules, especially several days later, and create a huge controversy by postponing his suspension for the Red. They might have been somewhat justified had they immediately (within 24 hours) overturned the Red, but even that would have been a reach.

 

[Tundra Tiger]

I think both sides of this coin are correct.

It was a terrible call, VAR was used improperly to administer the Red Card in the first place, and should have been overturned.

It also is a terrible decision by the corrupt FIFA to go back on their own rules, especially several days later, and create a huge controversy by postponing his suspension for the Red. They might have been somewhat justified had they immediately (within 24 hours) overturned the Red, but even that would have been a reach.

Controvery? Surely not. Move along. Nothing to see here.

 

[spike.t]

I think both sides of this coin are correct.

It was a terrible call, VAR was used improperly to administer the Red Card in the first place, and should have been overturned.

It also is a terrible decision by the corrupt FIFA to go back on their own rules, especially several days later, and create a huge controversy by postponing his suspension for the Red. They might have been somewhat justified had they immediately (within 24 hours) overturned the Red, but even that would have been a reach.

Yup...crap judgements are made by sporting officials/referees...but it's tough shit...happens to plenty people in sport....how it is and it's lived with ...not overturned like this....this is bullshit ....and anyone with a couple of brain cells could have seen the outrage, and the taint of corruption smothering it

 

[Aaron N]

Fair point. I picked Hardisty because the crude pipeline to Casper originates there. Convert that pipeline to refined products and you access the least efficient, highest margin market in the US.

One could only wish that there was a political appetite for it

 

[PARA45]

Controvery? Surely not. Move along. Nothing to see here.

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It was after all a harsh punishment for an action that was not deliberate. Balogun should have received a yellow card, not a red one. I'm glad he is back on the roster, and that the punishment was reversed. Let's go USA!!!!!

 

[spike.t]

It was after all a harsh punishment for an action that was not deliberate. Balogun should have received a yellow card, not a red one. I'm glad he is back on the roster, and that the punishment was reversed. Let's go USA!!!!!

Plenty get Red card or yellow card when it's not deliberate.....it's the potential dangerous/ injury outcome that is one reason..... just how the rules work....

 

[Brent in Az]

I don't watch basketball, but the WNBA, has become a joke in its bias and rule enforcement.
I hope Sophia Cunningham and Caitlin Clark, start giving hard elbows to the face of some of those neanderthal ghetto girls

 

[PARA45]

Plenty get Red card or yellow card when it's not deliberate.....it's the potential dangerous/ injury outcome that is one reason..... just how the rules work....

True, but the intention behind the action of the player is what dictates if it's a yellow or red card. Most get yellow cards, and some well-deserved red cards. The ones I've seen, were for intentional actions. If this foul was intentional, I would be sitting here agreeing with you.

 

[RLD]

True, but the intention behind the action of the player is what dictates if it's a yellow or red card. Most get yellow cards, and some well-deserved red cards. The ones I've seen, were for intentional actions. If this foul was intentional, I would be sitting here agreeing with you.

Intention is not as important as you think it might be in the FIFA laws of the game. In cases of serious foul play the Laws of the Game specifically state intention is irrelevant.

For violent conduct, intention matters.

But no matter what your view of the initial play, initially the US delegation and the public are told that there is no appeal process available for that one game suspension. Then Trump makes some calls to his "peace prize" buddy and an obscure rule is suddenly invoked to give the U.S. back its star player. It smells like corruption.

It's almost like Trump believes the USMNT isn't good enough to win without cheating.

And yes, it also stank when they did the same thing for Ronaldo. But that was FIFA's corruption not Portugal's as far as I can tell.

 

[spike.t]

True, but the intention behind the action of the player is what dictates if it's a yellow or red card. Most get yellow cards, and some well-deserved red cards. The ones I've seen, were for intentional actions. If this foul was intentional, I would be sitting here agreeing with you.

As I said it happens....seen quite a few where you know its not intentional but red card due to how it goes...it's the action occurs that matters that even if unintentional/accidental.......but it's not changed regardless...but a phone call makes a difference it would seem....should not have been changed.....

 

[Betterinthebush]

I’m paying about as much attention to soccer drama as I did to the Team Canada curling tournament controversy. Zero.

The only reason I’ve ever heard of either is that these things hit my newsfeed.

I just hear the word “soccer” from someone and I suddenly remember that I have an IKEA closet organizer instruction manual to review for the day I decide to install it.

 

[spike.t]

I’m paying about as much attention to soccer drama as I did to the Team Canada curling tournament controversy. Zero.

The only reason I’ve ever heard of either is that these things hit my newsfeed.

I just hear the word “soccer” from someone and I suddenly remember that I have an IKEA closet organizer instruction manual to review for the day I decide to install it.

Football actually...just saying

 

[pilar]

Your continued inability to engage in a basic discussion, much less a thoughtful debate merely confirms your diminished intellectual capacity. Now stop embarrassing yourself, the adults are having a conversation with one another about important societal matters.

Trolls like you came before the internet as we see from a Mark Twain reference to your post on here , you unfortunately have the luxury of the internet to hide behind.

 

[Brent in Az]

Mamdani's wife skips America's 250 for an Islamic wellness retreat in Spain.
Congratulations NYC. You will soon become London 2.0 with that man at the helm .

 

[Russ16]

As I said it happens....seen quite a few where you know its not intentional but red card due to how it goes...it's the action occurs that matters that even if unintentional/accidental.......but it's not changed regardless...but a phone call makes a difference it would seem....should not have been changed.....

They used the same rule that they used to allow Renaldo to play despite getting a red card in the last qualifying game before the World Cup. So there is not only precedent but precedent from this year's event.

 

[pilar]

1. My point with LBJ is his welfare state affected every race in America. Look up the percentage of children raised in a single parent household from 1950- to today. It’s double for every demographic or higher. I grew up reading Friedman I preferred sowell, and rothbard and von mises.
When I was younger I at one time believed to let people live their life as long as they are not using force in others… I had seen the Portugal crime drop from legalization of drugs and thought it may work here.. Oregon, and Washington have proven that thought wrong.

2. On the orphans I’m not denying orphan business in the 19th century. It was a problem in Europe centuries prior what I was referring to was the claims of churches massacring native kids( you may not have directly made that claim) but when natives are brought up with churches of the 19,20th century lately that’s what they site.

5. On the FDR point it was my mistake to type 12-18 months. That mark was attributed to the federal reserve removing money supply and letting banks get ran on. Which was the main purpose they were created to stop. The Atlanta federal reserve is a good case study because they had a much quicker recovery because they lowered rates and lended more.
I am aware of FDR becoming president in 33 and it has been argued by historians and economists( Harold Cole, Jim Powell, Lee ohanian) that raising taxes, wage mandates and policies like (NIRA,AAA) helped slow business recovery . You are welcome to disagree with that assessment even some of it I do at times but once again research the Atlanta federal reserve from 30-31 there’s evidence that if the fed had followed that prescription FDR’s policies wouldn’t have matter much but since the federal reserve removed 30% of the money supply during a crash it made things much worse. And FDR keeping high taxes might not be the smartest idea at that time

Speaking of FDR , I don’t think anyone should ever have to live under that kinda tyranny
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This historical high was established by the Revenue Act of 1944 and applied to the highest income bracket of that era.

• 1940: Top rate was 81%.
• 1942–1943: Top rate was 88%.
• 1944–1945: Top rate reached 94%. [1, 2, 3]

To understand how this peak rate functioned, it helps to review the context of the era:

• The Threshold: This 94% rate applied only to the portion of an individual's income that exceeded \(\$200,000\). Adjusted for inflation
• Corporate Rates: During the same period, corporations faced high excess profits taxes, with nominal rates reaching 90%. [1]
• The "Mass Tax": Before World War II, income tax primarily applied to the very wealthy ("class tax"). The massive cost of the war effort required a transition to a "mass tax," drastically lowering personal exemptions and introducing payroll withholding so that the majority of working Americans paid federal income