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[Red Leg]

Usa is in same position as spain pre war...

Civil war or WWII?

 

[farmer_john]

Civil war or WWII?

Civil war. Spain didnt really participate in ww2

 

[Tanks]

I think it is probably better to have a more restrained police force as long as we have an empowered citizenry. To take your liquor store example, I would much prefer not having police sit around waiting to shoot robbers if the cashier can do what is necessary. Unfortunately, that is often not the case.

Cashiers that have protected themselves with firearms have been fired as corporations are worried about liability.

 

[farmer_john]

Cashiers that have protected themselves with firearms have been fired as corporations are worried about liability.

We nees to start suing businesses for fsiling to protect us while depricing employees their rights

 

[Tanks]

I know several of us have done a bit of rationalization about November, but this is more than just worrisome.

Cost of living fuelling Democrat strength in new midterms polling

Economic concerns are set to give the Democrats an extra 2.5 million votes in November

www.focaldata.com

Yet, word from the White House is that the economy is doing better than ever. It doesn’t seem to translate to what the Main Street feels. In a recent speech Trump mentioned stock market gains. Regular people that are living paycheck to paycheck are not seeing it in grocery prices or rent.

 

[steve white]

Unless you are black and you are 7.5 times more likely to be wrongfully convicted of murder than white counterparts.

What proportion of wrongful executions are you willing to accept? Because the faster that justice system moves the more mistakes it tends to make.

Can you prove it's 7.5% more likely--how so? We cannot accept your argument if it is based on erroneous or outdated study.

 

[Alistair]

Yet, word from the White House is that the economy is doing better than ever. It doesn’t seem to translate to what the Main Street feels. In a recent speech Trump mentioned stock market gains. Regular people that are living paycheck to paycheck are not seeing it in grocery prices or rent.

Yeah, I think I dug into this in depth back in post #67,548 and #67,611 so (to everyone's great relief I'm sure) I shall not do so again.

That said, I can't say this comes as a surprise...

 

[steve white]

There is difference between not rushing to justice and "letting them do whatever".

We are about as far as one can get from "rushing to justice". I truly wonder how we compare to other countries in getting punishment after conviction, length of appeals, etc. It seems forever , as things stand. And, let's not forget JUSTICE INCLUDES JUSTICE AND CLOSURE FROM THE VICTIM'S POINT OF VIEW. I would say much more so than the criminal's consideration. We have a duty to society as well. Punishment is not a deterrent if it takes infernally forever to be carried out. Criminals should fear punishment. Do you think they do today?

 

[steve white]

Yeah, I think I dug into this in depth back in post #67,548 and #67,611 so (to everyone's great relief I'm sure) I shall not do so again.

That said, I can't say this comes as a surprise...

Trump has had just over one year to fix a 4 year Biden mess....some people need a reality check it that is justification to going back to 4 more years of Bidenesque policies...

 

[Tundra Tiger]

Trump has had just over one year to fix a 4 year Biden mess....some people need a reality check it that is justification to going back to 4 more years of Bidenesque policies...

Irrespective of how much time you think he needs, the reality is he has mere months: the midterms aren't going to get kicked down the road to give him more time. And he has done nothing to help himself, with threatening to primary incumbents, amongst other things. It has less to do with people needing a reality check and more to do with his seeming indifference about the midterms coming up fast. He needs a reality check that you can't castigate so many people and groups and expect them to kowtow to your wishes simply because you want tgem to.

 

[spike.t]

Wondering what exactly has been changed for Venezuela and its people by what happened with maduro, apart from him being removed....

Trump has big plans for Venezuela's oil but are they feasible?

The US president wants American energy firms to start extracting the crude but they are reluctant.

www.bbc.com

 

[spike.t]

Russia uses some weird stuff.....

Russia killed opposition leader Alexei Navalny using toxin from dart frog, UK says

There is no innocent explanation for the toxin being found in samples taken from Navalny's body, Foreign Office says.

www.bbc.com

 

[Sideshow]

Russia uses some weird stuff.....

Russia killed opposition leader Alexei Navalny using toxin from dart frog, UK says

There is no innocent explanation for the toxin being found in samples taken from Navalny's body, Foreign Office says.

www.bbc.com

Yeah I wonder if Putin is actually transitioning…….he’s poisoned so many opponents, which is the favourite MO of women
After posting this don’t think I’ll touch a door handle for awhile

 

[spike.t]

 

[Red Leg]

Civil war. Spain didnt really participate in ww2

Imagine that. I was curious if your assertion was pre or post civil war. It was a timeline thing.

 

[farmer_john]

Imagine that. I was mildly curious if your assertion was pre or post civil war. It was a timeline thing.

Well if you look at pre civil war spain they had a decade or two of extreme political polarization. To the point that the left/right didnt view the other as spaniards. They had riots and political assasinations.

Then super far left govt got elected ran wild and franco stepped in.


You can see similar pattern now. Each election cycles flip flop left to right is becoming more extreme. More violent. And both sides increasingly look at the other as anti american and a threat to the country.
Only a matter of time until something breaks in a bad way

 

[Red Leg]

Well if you look at pre civil war spain they had a decade or two of extreme political polarization. To the point that the left/right didnt view the other as spaniards. They had riots and political assasinations.

Then super far left govt got elected ran wild and franco stepped in.


You can see similar pattern now. Each election cycles flip flop left to right is becoming more extreme. More violent. And both sides increasingly look at the other as anti american and a threat to the country.
Only a matter of time until something breaks in a bad way

I think pre-civil war Spain is indeed a valid warning for US. I have talked about it several times in this endless commentary. When digging into the particulars, the analogy falls apart a little bit, particularly when considering the accelerant provided by the competing ideologies of the Soviet Union and Fascist Germany which were both on the march. In many ways, the Spanish Civil War was a proxy conflict between the two. Moreover, Spain's democratic experiment was less than a decade old, so its institutions were very weak. Finally, like everywhere in the West, the population was battered by the Depression and were desperate for some sort of relief from the status quo.

A different component now, and not a particularly mitigating one, is what can only be termed the ongoing self-propagandization of much of the population. Not just social media, but much of the MSM, streaming media, commentary, etc creates a self-sustaining and far too comfortable web of confirmation bias. Most of the screaming liberals in the streets really do believe they are fighting fascism, as the most radical MAGA supporters really do believe anyone opposing their world view is a communist. The portion of the population that is committed one way or the other can tap into its own modern day self-perpetuating Soviet or Nazi equivalent "information" stream.

We see it played out in these threads as assertions are posted as facts by left and right.

 

[Tanks]

We nees to start suing businesses for fsiling to protect us while depricing employees their rights

You can't even sue cops for failing to protect you. SCOTUS decision a while back stated that cops had no duty to protect. (Warren vs D.C.)

 

[farmer_john]

You can't even sue cops for failing to protect you. SCOTUS decision a while back stated that cops had no duty to protect. (Warren vs D.C.)

Thats true. Butnif a business says you cant be armed. And your the victim of a crime they should be liable because private entities can limit your rights. Vs govt that cannot

 

[fourfive8]

Huh? Either hitting the “Foster Brooks” or listening to Bradlee Dean or maybe both… ??

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