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[Ontario Hunter]

Mark, I agree with your assessment completely.

I wish Trump, and ICE officials would stop making declarative statements minutes after a shooting. The responsible response would be to wait for more information. It weakens their footing immensely.

But as you stated. Why would a rational person inject themselves into the immediate proximity of an active arrest situation.

Would anybody think it’s normal to see a traffic stop on the side of the road and to stop your car and get in the face of that cop and not expect consequences. Or worse drive around looking for a traffic stop to start your martyrdom.

New video appears to show the nurse was disarmed just before the shooting started. Was the pistol completely clear of the scrum when shooting started ?

Did the cop have an AD prompting others to shoot?

This is why officials should know better than to make declarative statements too early.

Watch the video clip with the Fox News gal interviewing a big shot gun rights advocate. They play the phone video taken from what appears to be an ICE vehicle. The guy in the gray jacket has left the scrum running when a bunch of shots are fired. He is almost to his vehicle when the shots were fired. The other phone video clearly shows him leaving the scrum with the deceased's gun in his hand. They shot an unarmed man. The gun expert said it sure looked to him that the victim was disarmed when the shots were fired. It was NOT what the Fox gal expected him to say.

The family of Ms Good had their own pathologist examine her body. She was shot at least three times: twice in the torso and the final bullet entered her left temple blowing away the right side of her head. A fourth bullet may have grazed her arm. Confirms what the videos seemed to show: she was killed by a shot fired point blank through the open driver's side window as the vehicle drove past the shooter. So much for theories of self defense. That guy should have been charged by now.

It is ridiculous to assume by the make and model of the VA nurse's legal handgun that he took it to the protest to cause mayhem. He certainly had lots of opportunity to do harm with it and he deliberately chose not to. He tried to come to the rescue of a woman one of those goons was manhandling and he could have drawn his weapon then. But he didn't. Minneapolis can be a rough place even without all those ICE goons in town. I can understand why the nurse might be carrying his gun. For protection. That's the whole idea behind the concealed carry permit, right?

 

[KJE81]

Perhaps ICE needs to work a little on their image, I mean can’t they have some sort of official uniforms instead of trying to look tacticool?

If they were to look less like a paramilitary group and more like a police force that might help them and the Trump administration much more in reaching their objectives in deporting illegal immigrants more then their current style. Also it does not help them when they say things like: “It's like call of duty! So cool huh?” next to a camera.

Like this picture it looks more like something from Germany in the 1930s and is probably not helping their public image at all:

 

[farmer_john]

Whether you have been radicalized into believing that most immigrants are like that or not, (the statistics show most of them are not like that and have lower rates of crime than US citizens https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/fact-sheet/debunking-myth-immigrants-and-crime/ ) the constitution says they get a fair trial, not be beaten to near death in the streets with no proof of committing any crimes. Especially all the ones that were arrested for simply being brown even when they had proof of citizenship on their person and were not even given a chance to prove it.

I’m sure plenty of Jews committed crimes in pre WWII Germany, it didn’t make the holocaust a morally justified act.

Just a few bolshevick revolutions across europe.Including in germany forcing the abdication of the king.
It was such a big uprising trotsky led an army group into poland to try to link up with their german revolutionary counterparts.

But honestly were all tired of the ww2 bs being used as a moral club..
Even isreal is commiting genocide in the levant. So i think the #never again is just BS marketing at this point.
And I dont even like hajis but a spade is a spade. And ill call genocide what it is.

Secondly people here illegally should have as much due process as someone kicking in my door at 3 am...
Due process should be reserved for those who are either US CITIZENS. or people who entered usa legally as guests. Everyone else is a home invader that needs to be forcibly tossed out un appologetically.

They should be detained and immediatly deported.

But i still dont think lethal force should be presented unless in response to lethal force used.

 

[Brent in Az]

Perhaps ICE needs to work a little on their image, I mean can’t they have some sort of official uniforms instead of trying to look tacticool?

If they were to look less like a paramilitary group and more like a police force that might help them and the Trump administration much more in reaching their objectives in deporting illegal immigrants more then their current style. Also it does not help them when they say things like: “It's like call of duty! So cool huh?” next to a camera.

Like this picture it looks more like something from Germany in the 1930s and is probably not helping their public image at all:

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What kind of wimpy post is this?

If anything, ICE needs to go full stormtrooper. Put the fear of the Empire into the illegals.

 

[wesheltonj]

If those sanctuary states and cities would start honoring detainers, none of this would be happening and two folks would still be alive. Instead, the D cities and states want this for political purposes, shameful.

 

[CRCO]

So you were trained to shoot people in the leg?

Nah, he is trained to run off at the DS

 

[Rifleman97]

Just a few bolshevick revolutions across europe.Including in germany forcing the abdication of the king.
It was such a big uprising trotsky led an army group into poland to try to link up with their german revolutionary counterparts.

But honestly were all tired of the ww2 bs being used as a moral club..
Even isreal is commiting genocide in the levant. So i think the #never again is just BS marketing at this point.
And I dont even like hajis but a spade is a spade. And ill call genocide what it is.

Secondly people here illegally should have as much due process as someone kicking in my door at 3 am...
Due process should be reserved for those who are either US CITIZENS. or people who entered usa legally as guests. Everyone else is a home invader that needs to be forcibly tossed out un appologetically.

They should be detained and immediatly deported.

But i still dont think lethal force should be presented unless in response to lethal force used.

If we’re tired of getting compared to nazi germany, maybe stop acting like Nazi Germany?

I literally don’t care if that’s what you think about illegals, the constitution says otherwise and to not give them any trial or chance to prove their innocence or even a chance to prove citizenship/greencard/whatever is wholly unconstitutional.

If the government doesn’t have to follow the constitution with illegals, what’s stopping them from committing unconstitutional acts on citizens? What’s stopping them from breaking into your home to “ensure” you’re compliant? Precedence matters in the court of law, and the more Trump gets away with, the more a democrat president can get away with. Presidential terms end, and you need to be prepared with the precedence you set for the next time around. Because democrats can be vengeful. If you allow the military to be sent in to do police work, a democrat can send the military to your house to force you to hand over your guns. That’s why precedence matters.

 

[Tanks]

Not sure why I would need to remove the magazine. If my rifle fails to feed, I just eject the round that didn't load and cycle another from the magazine, which can't be removed. Never had a 1911 jam or my Browning Hi-Power either so no experience clearing a jam. I guess it could happen. Not going to worry about it. Understand that 1911 is not double action. All the modern LEO auto handguns are double action. Those can be carried safely with a round in the chamber and hammer down, like a double action revolver. I do not recall any of the old lawmen walking around with single action Colt Peacemakers that were full cocked. Granted the 1911 has a side safety but I didn't find it to be real handy.

Wow, so much to unpack here, let's see if I can expand.

Regarding jams and malfunctions, most common one is a stovepipe which is a case stuck in the ejection port. Solution is called tap, rack, bang. You tap the magazine (in case it was loosened accidentally, rack the handgun sideways to drop the case and shoot).

In your case, not having fired at all, the most common would be a double feed. Racking won't clear it, you have to remove the magazine (if have multiples drop it as it could be a magazine issue), rack multiple times to clear the rounds, feed a magazine, tap, rack, and bang again.

I understand 1911 is a single action. I have shot over a million rounds and have thousands of dry fire hours with a 2011 and 1911 (2011 is a double stack 1911) in practice and competitions. Have encountered all of the possible malfunctions and even squibs.

Most LEO guns are not double action anymore, but striker fired and most have no external safety. Some agencies allow experienced LEOs get single action 2011s (STI Staccato). My CCW is an STI DVC Carry (earlier model of Staccato) 2011 that holds 17 rounds. Pic below.

You can't compare a Peacemaker revolver to a semi-automatic 1911, different manual of arms. Peacemaker, one had to manually cock prior to firing every shot. 1911, the initial cocking is by racking the gun to load from the magazine, after that it automatically cocks it when the gun cycles. Manipulating the safety just takes practice, one lowers the safety after the gun clears the holster and is on the target.

EDC pic, notice the firearm is cocked and safety is on. Very easy to lower the safety with one's thumb. Additionally, there is a grip safety.

 

[Mark A Ouellette]

William Kirk of Washington Gun Law explains the law concerning the recent shooting in Minneapolis,

 

[shootist~]

Isn’t the Sig 320 the model that has had issues with un-commanded discharges. Different from unintentional discharges. Or Accidental discharges.

I read that issue was proven false when the soldier admitted they were horsing around when he accidentally shot the other guy. I don't remember the actual details, but his initial claim about a malfunction was a lie.

 

[Altitude sickness]

most immigrants

You are conflating immigrants with illegal immigrants. Most of us agree that the classic illegal alien sneaking across the southern border for a better life is not the problem here.

Most illegal immigrants from Mexico are God fearing family people that work hard to make a better life for their families.

All of the screaming lunatic liberals problem is actually with Biden‘s free and open border. If you have an issue, take it up with Biden his past border regime not the people trying to fix his mess.

Venezuela opened its prisons and helped gang members to flood into our country.

Perhaps instead of trying to arrest and deport them we have every liberal raise their hand to take them under their wing or be dropped at their doorstep.

I still contend that once it goes through the courts and if allowed by the Supreme Court, to nationalize voter ID laws. And remove illegals from voter rolls and Census counts.

Watch how quick liberals stop caring about illegals and gang members in sanctuary cities and states. Propping up census numbers.

They’ll drop that cause immediately when it no longer helps bolster house seats.

 

[farmer_john]

What kind of wimpy post is this?

If anything, ICE needs to go full stormtrooper. Put the fear of the Empire into the illegals.

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[Altitude sickness]

I read that issue was proven false when the soldier admitted they were horsing around when he accidentally shot the other guy. I don't remember the actual details, but his initial claim about a malfunction was a lie.

It’s a widely reported issue not one soldier. I’ve never owned a 320 so have zero 1st hand knowledge. There are many videos on the Internet of people going through the motions to duplicate it and the gun going off with nothing near the trigger.

P.S. my larger point was that officials would be better served waiting till all the facts are in before going on live TV saying he was going to take out all the ICE agents. I just brought that Sig in as one of those possibilities to chase down before stepping up to the mic.

 

[wesheltonj]

If we’re tired of getting compared to nazi germany, maybe stop acting like Nazi Germany?

I literally don’t care if that’s what you think about illegals, the constitution says otherwise and to not give them any trial or chance to prove their innocence or even a chance to prove citizenship/greencard/whatever is wholly unconstitutional.

If the government doesn’t have to follow the constitution with illegals, what’s stopping them from committing unconstitutional acts on citizens? What’s stopping them from breaking into your home to “ensure” you’re compliant? Precedence matters in the court of law, and the more Trump gets away with, the more a democrat president can get away with. Presidential terms end, and you need to be prepared with the precedence you set for the next time around. Because democrats can be vengeful. If you allow the military to be sent in to do police work, a democrat can send the military to your house to force you to hand over your guns. That’s why precedence matters.

Sorry, they don't have the same rights as citizens. They get a trial in immigration Court and an appeal to the Board of Immigration Appeals. They do not get Federal District Court trial despite what the D's and their MSM mouth pieces pronounce.

 

[coreydb]

So let me get this right.

JD Vance. Is saying dont turn to paganism....
Yet is married to a pagan and hes ok with her being a pagan..

And im somehow the ignorant baddy/cretin for pointing out that is kinda duplicitous.

WOW...... the virtue signalling is strong with yall.

....when the heart speaks, common sense and logic go right out the window.

 

[farmer_john]

If we’re tired of getting compared to nazi germany, maybe stop acting like Nazi Germany?

I literally don’t care if that’s what you think about illegals, the constitution says otherwise and to not give them any trial or chance to prove their innocence or even a chance to prove citizenship/greencard/whatever is wholly unconstitutional.

If the government doesn’t have to follow the constitution with illegals, what’s stopping them from committing unconstitutional acts on citizens? What’s stopping them from breaking into your home to “ensure” you’re compliant? Precedence matters in the court of law, and the more Trump gets away with, the more a democrat president can get away with. Presidential terms end, and you need to be prepared with the precedence you set for the next time around. Because democrats can be vengeful. If you allow the military to be sent in to do police work, a democrat can send the military to your house to force you to hand over your guns. That’s why precedence matters.

Lol if the comparison was accurate. And its not.
Everyone just uses the holocaust like a weapon against white people.

While the end results of ww2 were bad. Why is it we only ever are allowed to talk about the jews that died?

Why not the millions of ethnic germans exterminated by the jewish bolshevics. Or the christians. The holodomor and starvation if an entire nation. All at the hands of a jewish bolshevic movement.
Or the war crimes commited by the allies or japanese. All get brushed aside for 1 small group to take center stage.

The german empire was overhtrown by bolsheviks.
The friecorp formed to fight them
Nsdap formed after with elements of friecorp and absorbed them. Becsuse they all saw what the civil war did after ww1 to germany.

Hell this convo is a prison sentance in 17 countries.

Germany may not have done things the best way (their first ootion was deportation to east africa but brits stopped it) but it is a natural reaction to an existential threat. And no one should be just killed for existing.

But when a problem is pervasive enough groups trend to paint with broad brushes.

And im not going to be burdend with another countries sins like its my fault it happened. USA liberated those ungrateful bastards. And we keep getting brow beat with it to accept our cultural extermination.
And if loving my nation (USA) culture and heritige makes me a bad guy. Ill wear that shoe whatever label you put on it.


All persons BORN or NATURALIZED in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


so no fam.... illegals are not constitutionally protected. And need be shown the door.

 

[Brent in Az]

If we’re tired of getting compared to nazi germany, maybe stop acting like Nazi Germany?

I literally don’t care if that’s what you think about illegals, the constitution says otherwise and to not give them any trial or chance to prove their innocence or even a chance to prove citizenship/greencard/whatever is wholly unconstitutional.

If the government doesn’t have to follow the constitution with illegals, what’s stopping them from committing unconstitutional acts on citizens? What’s stopping them from breaking into your home to “ensure” you’re compliant? Precedence matters in the court of law, and the more Trump gets away with, the more a democrat president can get away with. Presidential terms end, and you need to be prepared with the precedence you set for the next time around. Because democrats can be vengeful. If you allow the military to be sent in to do police work, a democrat can send the military to your house to force you to hand over your guns. That’s why precedence matters.

It's obvious you didn't pay attention to the lawlessness under the Biden administration.

 

[Mark A Ouellette]

For all the anti-ICE persons here, is this logical, peaceful behavior of protestors blocking an MRAP vehicle? Clearly the driver does not want to run over any protestors. What right to the protestors have to close the street?

Notice the persons giving the middle finger to the drivers? Why are we only learning of this behavior in Minnesota and perhaps Oregon and Washington state?

9.3K views · 28K reactions | Protesters attempting to block an armored vehicle from advancing earlier today in Minneapolis | BG On The Scene

Protesters attempting to block an armored vehicle from advancing earlier today in Minneapolis

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[farmer_john]

For all the anti-ICE persons here, is this logical, peaceful behavior of protestors blocking an MRAP vehicle? Clearly the driver does not want to run over any protestors. What right to the protestors have to close the street?

Notice the persons giving the middle finger to the drivers? Why are we only learning of this behavior in Minnesota and perhaps Oregon and Washington state?

9.3K views · 28K reactions | Protesters attempting to block an armored vehicle from advancing earlier today in Minneapolis | BG On The Scene

Protesters attempting to block an armored vehicle from advancing earlier today in Minneapolis

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a better question. at what point does providing aid to groups hostile to the USA and protecting their agents within USA constitute treason? How many billions of dollars need to be stolen to be counted as such?

 

[LivingTheDream]

You are correct except for the fact that Kyle rittenhouse was breaking the law as well. He was in Illinois which explicitly bans open carry of any kind, which he was doing. As far as I saw the Minnesota guy was fully legal except for not having his concealed carry license on him (which he did have, just not on his person) whereas Kyle wasn’t even old enough to get a concealed carry permit, didn’t have one, and was open carrying in a state where open carry is illegal, and was 17 years old, meaning he couldn’t even legally own a gun in Illinois.

I’m also not for any of these shootings and the protestors in Minneapolis are getting insane, but I think ICE is also insane for gassing civilians in areas near children’s parks and homes where people not even protesting could potentially die from the gas, plus it’s a literal war crime to even use on military combatants.

Kenosha is in Illinois?

Also, nice job being cute on tear gas being illegal in war, however the 1997 Chemical Weapons Convention explicitly excludes "law enforcement including domestic riot control" from its ban, permitting police to use tear gas.

Please tell us more about understanding of the law and the events that took place, your subject matter expertise is greatly needed.