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[Trophyhunter01]

College sports is now just semi pro/minor league play.

Love this comment from Carson Beck before the natty Monday night.

Reporter: "Did you have class yesterday"
Carson Beck: "No class. I graduated two years ago."

 

[Scott CWO]

Let me try it again then. I thought the short pithy way might point out why "Kamela would have been worse" is a facile argument and no defense to criticism of Trump in any rational sense might have worked. I clearly did not get my point across. Let me try again with a longer post, a couple of analogies this time.

Let's see if I convince you that "Kamela would have been worse" is not a rational defense to criticism of Trump's policies.

Let's say America is a worker. And the worker sustains an injury to his leg that hits the artery and is bleeding out. The worker is going to die without effective treatment.

Now let's say the Democratic administration under Biden is that potentially fatal wound. We know that, more or less, Kamela is going to continue Biden's policies so that if you elect Kamela America is going to bleed out.

So you elect Trump, Trump is the doctor. Trump comes in and stops the bleeding. But he uses instruments that are dirty due to his neglect and the patient gets an infection and loses the leg that did not need to happen. So you live, but now you live an as amputee.

Just because Kamela might have been fatal, in our analogy, doesn't mean Trump gets to be free of criticism of using dirty instruments and costing you your leg when that didn't need to happen.

Or maybe you prefer a business analogy. It's probably clearer.

Company A (America) is losing $100 million a year, but obviously has the potential to make $100 million a year. The old CEO was a cognitively impaired putz (Biden). He resigns and you need to elect a new CEO.

Candidate K (can you guess who that is?) offers a plan that would lose the company $200 million a year.

Candidate T offers a plan that ends up losing the company $80 million dollars a year. Better than losing $200 million or $100 million, but still not up the companies potential for making $100 million.

It is no answer to a criticism of Candidate T's losing the company $80 million for X reason to say Candidate K would have been worse. Candidate K is off selling books or whatever and not fucking things up in the administration. The shareholders may be relieved that they are not losing $200 million but they still have a right to be pissed that the company is not making $100 million.

There is no rational reason to assume a criticism of Trump is an argument that Kamela would have been better. I don't think I have seen anyone on this site actually make that argument. When people do that it usually just means they cannot defend Trump's policies on their merits because they are poor.

It is perfectly reasonable for people to say "Whew we dodged a bullet when Kamela lost that election but I also think the idea of (pardoning drug dealers, annexing Greenland, capping credit card interest, capping executive income in the defense industry, the government taking a stake in Intel or whatever) is dumb idea and should not be implemented.

If it makes you feel better I could type "Whew American dodged a bullet when it got rid of the cognitively impaired guy and took a pass on Kamela but I think..." to start any post I write that is critical of Trump's policies or character (because I still believe character matters) but I think most people who post here are smart enough to realize that a criticism of Trump or his policies is not an endorsement of Kamela Harris or the Biden administration.

WTF are you even talking about? Apples to oranges. Kamala would be a disaster for America. Are you a gun owner? As a hunter, the implications even just for the USFWS would have been devastating. Have you been to Africa?

 

[RLD]

WTF are you even talking about? Apples to oranges. Kamala would be a disaster for America. As a hunter, the implications even just for the USFWS would have been devastating. Have you been to Africa?

Yes hop-a-long I have been to Africa.

 

[spike.t]

So the Oz bunch can't agree on antisemitic hate speech...but can hammer through the anti gun shit at warp speed......

‘Disappointed’ Jewish leaders call for compromise on hate speech laws after Labor backs down on bill

Executive Council of Australia Jewry implores Anthony Albanese and Sussan Ley to thrash out deal after government splits contentious bill

www.theguardian.com

 

[Mark A Ouellette]

Kamala's political ability won't do any good on Putin and other dictators/strongmen leaders. They already have all of those they want!

 

[Scott CWO]

Yes hop-a-long I have been to Africa.

As a hunter? Where?

I’m not taking voting advice from a liberal lawyer without common sense from Canada. Probably 9 of 10 American voters on this site won’t either. Please also don’t try to tell us you’re conservative. You’re not conservative by our American standards.

 

[Mark A Ouellette]

Trump is correcting decades of economic neglect due to helping other countries more than the USA in trade deals. I suspect senior US Government officials and their business cronies got very rich along the way. Then came Donald Trump. For all the narcissistic behavior we see from him, he doesn’t need any more money. He does however need to win because he is a narcissistic.

Getting all spun up when Trump expresses his each and every thought is a bottomless emotional pit. I think most on AH should be smart enough to take those continuous Trump-isms as seriously as the babbling of a teenage girl. Unfortunately, many here are not.

As I posted a couple days ago, being a successful politician today requires they are good at being a celebrity. Trump and most of his Cabinet are showmen and women. He got that correct.

I also wrote that some of our more accomplished members might be up to the task of being President. Trouble is why would anyone but a narcissistic or devoted patriot want the job?

Trump has done a lot of good for the USA this term. His tariffs may or may not achieve his goals but they provide political leverage. They are like going to meetings and placing a pistol on the table. Tariffs may be large to smaller countries. They aren’t but a pimple on the USA’s economic butt. Playing chicken with an eagle is a losing game.

The invade Greenland business is bullshxt. If you all don’t know that Trump is just bringing attention to the issue of Russia and China hovering over and near Greenland like vultures and sharks, then don't go into the bush by yourself. You will be bit by a snake or eaten by a lion.

Trump never had many thoughts that he didn’t share. Those thoughts that he doesn’t share are his trump cards and scare the heck out of others!

Finally, in his thoughts and statements Trump throws crap against the wall to see what will stick!

PS: As Margaret Thatcher liked to say,
“I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.”

 

[Tundra Tiger]

Sure, your TDS as Canadians is showing.

Ceasefire in Gaza. Iran’s nuclear program debilitated. A possible Iranian revolution. Removal of a socialist dictator in Venezuela. Renewal of the Monroe Doctrine in the Western Hemisphere. Getting NATO to pay up.

His only two missteps are Greenland (so far) and not standing up enough to Putin. He’s 6-2 so far. Not bad.

6-2? Maybe strictly by the numbers and with everything counting as 1 Scott. That Putin thing though feels like it's worth 4 or 5 all on its own to me.

 

[RLD]

As a hunter? Where?

I’m not taking voting advice from a liberal lawyer without common sense from Canada. Probably 9 of 10 American voters on this site won’t either. Please also don’t try to tell us you’re conservative. You’re not conservative by our American standards.

I have not been to Africa as a hunter.

I have been there negotiating serious political issues, including civil wars, and working in the mining industry and as a tourist.

But I wonder Scott, what being a hunter in Africa has to do whether or not Trump's policies are any good? Why don't you have the courage or intellect to actually step up and deal with the issues?

Explain to me Scott how your African hunting experience qualifies you to analyse Trump's plan to reduce drug prices?

The way you are approaching this makes me wonder if you if you are a coward, running away from the issues or just too stupid to understand them. Perhaps it is a mix of both.

I am glad to see you have decided you are the grand arbiter is who is conservative or not. What you think doesn't mean a fart in a whirlwind. My friends who worked in the Reagan administration and I see ad idem on most issues and that makes me confident I can call myself conservative. Scalia remains my all time favourite SCOTUS judge. Do you think Scalia is not conservative? I think Amy Coney Barrett has the potential to be a historically great SCOTUS judge. Do you think she is a wild eyed Liberal?

But I can tell you that Trump is not remotely conservative. Not even close.

 

[Mark A Ouellette]

I have not been to Africa as a hunter.

I have been there negotiating serious political issues, including civil wars, and working in the mining industry and as a tourist.

But I wonder Scott, what being a hunter in Africa has to do whether or not Trump's policies are any good? Why don't you have the courage or intellect to actually step up and deal with the issues?

Explain to me Scott how your African hunting experience qualifies you to analyse Trump's plan to reduce drug prices?

The way you are approaching this makes me wonder if you if you are a coward, running away from the issues or just too stupid to understand them. Perhaps it is a mix of both.

I am glad to see you have decided you are the grand arbiter is who is conservative or not. What you think doesn't mean a fart in a whirlwind. My friends who worked in the Reagan administration and I see ad idem on most issues and that makes me confident I can call myself conservative. Scalia remains my all time favourite SCOTUS judge. Do you think Scalia is not conservative? I think Amy Coney Barrett has the potential to be a historically great SCOTUS judge. Do you think she is a wild eyed Liberal?

But I can tell you that Trump is not remotely conservative. Not even close.

As Margaret Thatcher liked to say,
“I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.”

 

[cwpayton]

I dont know about the domestic policies but I have a hard time seeing how anyone could do a worse job with the foreign policies then the incumbent.

You sir being from Sweden and not USA may have your bar set a little low for that appraisal of foreign policy, some of us over here are still reeling from the Afghanistan withdrawal. which killed and maimed so many unnecessarily. A marine on overwatch there had the bomber/ terrorist IDd and in the crosshairs but was denied the shot and ordered to stand down. That may just be an example of disobeying a lawful/ unlawful order, had he killed the bomber he would have saved many many lives. and would not be missing an arm and legs. Said marine testified in congress , look it up. another foreign/ domestic policy failure was leaving our border wide open to 130 nations for 2 + years ,come 1 come all we will pay for that for years and even decades. Then the policy of flying in to the us plane loads of terrorist from Afghan and Somalia, and Venz, and you name it without any proper vetting. no excuse for that. This also includes moving 10,000s of children across our border and then releasing them to anyone. Going all the way back to Clinton who tried to pay N KOREA to not build nukes, same with Iran and biden how did that work for us. So then theres G. Bush who invited Putin down to the ranch in Texas and said I looked into his eyes and soul and say a man I could deal with?, what ever that meant. Oh less I forget all that Minn. fraud money that has funneled back to the somali terror group by the millions over the years, now we see the true Timmy Walz, camel's vice running mate. Ther was 2012 when obama drew a red line for Syria not to cross regarding chem weapons, but that line quickly turned yellow when he did nothing. Remember the great reset button with Russia in 2009 Howed that work out .
This is beginning to give me belly ack, so Im done . Trumps Policy hasn't been given enough time yet to crystalize. But not my first choice on several fronts, but If I was Pres. we'd be in a war,in a major way,so .
Greenland is not as big a deal as the media wants it to be, Trump is being Trump in his deal making, and it will settle . Weve tried to buy it before, twice, may succeed this time. its needed for Hypersonic missile defense and arctic shipping defense , the Artic is going to be a hot spot. Trumps policy is our hemisphere first yet we will continue to exsert influence in the world. Can we do all this in a Greenland that is owned by Denmark but autonomist in rule Maybe but its risky in todays world.

 

[fourfive8]

The ignore button is getting easier and easier to push. Sadly, the residuals linger

 

[Scott CWO]

I have not been to Africa as a hunter.

I have been there negotiating serious political issues, including civil wars, and working in the mining industry and as a tourist.

But I wonder Scott, what being a hunter in Africa has to do whether or not Trump's policies are any good? Why don't you have the courage or intellect to actually step up and deal with the issues?

Explain to me Scott how your African hunting experience qualifies you to analyse Trump's plan to reduce drug prices?

The way you are approaching this makes me wonder if you if you are a coward, running away from the issues or just too stupid to understand them. Perhaps it is a mix of both.

I am glad to see you have decided you are the grand arbiter is who is conservative or not. What you think doesn't mean a fart in a whirlwind. My friends who worked in the Reagan administration and I see ad idem on most issues and that makes me confident I can call myself conservative. Scalia remains my all time favourite SCOTUS judge. Do you think Scalia is not conservative? I think Amy Coney Barrett has the potential to be a historically great SCOTUS judge. Do you think she is a wild eyed Liberal?

But I can tell you that Trump is not remotely conservative. Not even close.

Nice personal attacks, Mr.Lawyer. Coward? Stupid? Neither. Nice.

I would enjoy debating you in person someday but I'm not going to get into every part of Harris and Trump with an internet warrior lawyer on a Sunday when spending time with my family. Suffice it to say, there is nothing Trump has done so far that would cause me to change my vote in the last election to Harris. I would never vote for her. Would you?

I love Scalia.

Correct, Trump is not a traditional conservative but much closer than Harris. If you had been a member here longer, you would have known that I preferred Desantis and Haley over Trump.

Seems you like to try to be a name dropper, or at least, try to impress us with your work history so I offer up the following. In my father's position as a Regional Manager with a large company, he had military contracts with the Air Force and kept up on his relationships with our US Senators. My father actually met Reagan. My father's attorney was an ex-Governor and US Congressman from SD. I am friends with the son-in-law of the current Secretary of Homeland Security and I will be guiding them both next year. The company I work with booked her on a moose hunt last year. I will be sure to mention that you have friends that worked in the Reagan Administration. I'm sure that will buy you some clout. Lol.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

Anybody else think that this order would be a clear violation of the 1st amendment?

Trump plans executive order to block CFP from overlapping with Army vs. Navy

Some proposals for CFP expansion feature shifting the historic rivalry up a week in December

www.cbssports.com

It is clearly anti-American. More like something an Islamic cleric or banana republic dictator would do. I'm sure Trump would love it if the federal govt told him what days and times he could do business at Maro Lago. That draft dodging coward wrapping himself up in some kind of wannabe heroic military identity should be galling to any true patriot. Certainly for any veteran.

Like I have said so many times before, I wake up every morning asking myself, "What crazy bullshit nonsense has Trump been spewing today?" Why does anyone listen to anything he says anymore? I just hope the world can hold on till November. One third of the Senate and all of the House are up for reelection. It's getting harder and harder for the Trumplodite disciples to tow the line if they want to survive. Every day it gets harder to stay Republican.

 

[RLD]

Seems you like to try to be a name dropper, or at least, try to impress us with your work history so I offer up the following. In my father's position as a Regional Manager with a large company, he had military contracts with the Air Force and kept up on his relationships with our US Senators. My father actually met Reagan. My father's attorney was an ex-Governor and US Congressman from SD. I am friends with the son-in-law of the current Secretary of Homeland Security and I will be guiding them both next year. The company I work with booked her on a moose hunt last year. I will be sure to mention that you have friends that worked in the Reagan Administration. I'm sure that will buy you some clout. Lol.

Actually I don't like name dropping which is why I didn't use any. You for some reason wanted to suggest I had never been to Africa and suggest I am not conservative. Don't know why...but that is your issue.

But since you seem to think hunting in Africa is some special qualification in politics I should mention that not only has President Trump never hunted in Africa, he says he doesn't even believe in hunting:

“My sons love hunting. They're hunters and they've become good at it. I am not a believer in hunting and I'm surprised they like it,” Trump.

That was confirmed by his son Don Jr. who said in an interview that his father could not understand why he and his brother like hunting but has always let them do so.

But on the central issue, I could not imagine a circumstance that would have made me vote for Kamela (if I had a vote), but that doesn't mean Trump is doing a good job or is remotely competent or even particularly bright. You will have to call me when the dividend cheques for the 600% decrease in drug prices he promised start rolling in.

But if we run into each other in person, first beer is on me and I hope you get some great trophies for your upcoming clients.

 

[BnC 04]

Why does anyone listen to anything he says anymore?

I ask myself this exact question Dr Canada.

 

[WAB]

Sure, your TDS as Canadians is showing.

Ceasefire in Gaza. Iran’s nuclear program debilitated. A possible Iranian revolution. Removal of a socialist dictator in Venezuela. Renewal of the Monroe Doctrine in the Western Hemisphere. Getting NATO to pay up.

His only two missteps are Greenland (so far) and not standing up enough to Putin. He’s 6-2 so far. Not bad.

I’d respectfully suggest that tariff strategy should go on the negative side of the ledger.

 

[Brent in Az]

Some of you should start charging Trump rent. At least make some money off of your misery.

 

[Roosterlund]

I think there are a lot of people on here who should put their resumes in for Trump’s foreign policy advisers position. Every move is calculated and with purpose. Made by people who know a lot more than any of you.

 

[Tanks]

For all the narcissistic behavior we see from him, he doesn’t need any more money.

Why is he doing this? I guess a million here or there adds up to real money at some point.

Trump buys $1m in Netflix and Warner Bros bonds days after saying he’ll ‘be involved’ in merger

Warner Bros is also being pursued by Paramount Skydance, helmed by David Ellison, son of president’s ally

www.theguardian.com