Politics

[Tundra Tiger]

The Democrat party needs a good sledgehammering.
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Put another way, from one of my favorite literary characters (Robert Parker's Virgil Cole):

"Sometimes you got to kill one person early, to save killing four or five later."

 

[Hunt anything]

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Obama, Schumer, Pelosi, the deep state goon squad.

I would add Jake Sullivan to the list.

 

[Hunt anything]

I would expand on your assessment to include freedom caucus folks. Both parties are increasingly recalcitrant. When discussing why Trump failed to unify the country, there is plenty of blame to go around, but as President, Trump has to own it. I think the same thing applies to President Biden and his failure to be a unifier.

A lot of Trumps failings were because he had to fight the democrats, the media and many in his own party to accomplish anything. 24hrs of Russia,Russia, Russia would stall any attempt to do anything. Not to mention being called a racist and anti semite at the drop of a hat. This is coming from someone that does not care for the man at all.

 

[Brent in Az]

Once again, Biden's lying little meat puppet, KJB, is Lying about Biden's tax hike agenda during a WH presser.
Just a taste of that agenda, is capital gains taxes increasing from 20% up to 45%.

 

[Hunt anything]

Once again, Biden's lying little meat puppet, KJB is Lying about Biden's tax hike agenda during a WH presser.
Just a taste of that agenda, is capital gains taxes increasing from 20% up to 45%.

While allowing the Trump tax cuts to expire! So much for anyone making under 200k not having their taxes raised.

 

[Red Leg]

It is also a socialist country.

No thanks!

If you are speaking of Finland, you are incorrect. The Finns have a strong capitalist economic system. Their tax system is more progressive (the economic term - not the political one) than ours and their proportional debt is far less. In fact, Finland is often cited as a model of what capitalism could look like with a broader safety net. Indeed, considering the economic limitations our specific form of capitalism places on individuals, the Finnish (or even Nordic version) is worth a little bit of study.

This is a could spot where you could start before your next assertion.

Like the United States, Finland has a capitalist economy. Why are Finns so much happier than us?

Finland has universal healthcare, affordable childcare, free college, and copious paid vacations — and yes, it's in fact a capitalist country.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

If you are speaking of Finland, you are incorrect. The Finns have a strong capitalist economic system. Their tax system is more progressive (the economic term - not the political one) than ours and their proportional debt is far less. In fact, Finland is often cited as a model of what capitalism could look like with a broader safety net. Indeed, considering the economic limitations our specific form of capitalism places on individuals, the Finnish (or even Nordic version) is worth a little bit of study.

This is a could spot where you could start before your next assertion.

Like the United States, Finland has a capitalist economy. Why are Finns so much happier than us?

Finland has universal healthcare, affordable childcare, free college, and copious paid vacations — and yes, it's in fact a capitalist country.

www.businessinsider.com

Like the United States, Finland has a capitalist economy. Why are Finns so much happier than us?

Could it be the US is still a work in progress and the Finns are Finnished??

 

[Brent in Az]

If you are speaking of Finland, you are incorrect. The Finns have a strong capitalist economic system. Their tax system is more progressive (the economic term - not the political one) than ours and their proportional debt is far less. In fact, Finland is often cited as a model of what capitalism could look like with a broader safety net. Indeed, considering the economic limitations our specific form of capitalism places on individuals, the Finnish (or even Nordic version) is worth a little bit of study.

This is a could spot where you could start before your next assertion.

Like the United States, Finland has a capitalist economy. Why are Finns so much happier than us?

Finland has universal healthcare, affordable childcare, free college, and copious paid vacations — and yes, it's in fact a capitalist country.

www.businessinsider.com

Finland has a hybrid form of socialism. Roughly 35% of the wealth is controlled by the government, and 90% of workers are unionized.
Additionally, every worker pays over 50% in marginal income taxes, 25% in value added tax and 20% corporate tax.

Go on over to Finland and enjoy a $60 pizza or a $15 beer at the local pub.

You might want to consider that before your next ass-ertion.

As I originally said.....no thanks !

 

[Flipper Dude]

I must admit, I enjoy the repartee on this thread, with the occasional haymaker and invective comment thrown in for good measure. Hail fellow well met!

 

[Red Leg]

Finland has a hybrid form of socialism. Roughly 35% of the wealth is controlled by the government, and 90% of workers are unionized.
Additionally, every worker pays over 50% in marginal income taxes, 25% in value added tax and 20% corporate tax.

Go on over to Finland and enjoy a $60 pizza or a $15 beer at the local pub.

You might want to consider that before your next ass-ertion.

As I originally said.....no thanks !

Interesting set of data.

It is a capitalist system, but it does indeed work differently than ours. It is worth looking at the net effect of those differences for the average citizen.

This interactive data chart is a bit more informative. The biggest net difference is average after tax income, which is less. However, cost of living is less. I personally am more into the robber baron form of the capitalist system, but this one works very well for a larger swath of a given population. Though like most of Europe, blue jeans are ridiculously expensive - though better cut.

Admittedly, like Austria, Finland also has a tiny population which makes such economic management far more practical.

You should take the time to explore each category. You just need to use that little button thing on the mouse.

Cost of Living Comparison Finland vs United States.

Cost of living in Finland is 15% cheaper than in United States

www.expatistan.com

 

[Saul]

There have been numerous studies that suggest a high personal income tax paired with a low corporate income tax is best for economic growth without running a deficit. This seems to be a popular strategy in many European countries, including Finland and Sweden. Just something to chew on when we discuss tax rates.

 

[Saul]

A lot of Trumps failings were because he had to fight the democrats, the media and many in his own party to accomplish anything. 24hrs of Russia,Russia, Russia would stall any attempt to do anything. Not to mention being called a racist and anti semite at the drop of a hat. This is coming from someone that does not care for the man at all.

Facing resistance is nothing new. Being criticized is nothing new. Being investigated is nothing new. That is why it is so important for presidents to win over a large segment of the population, so that they can weather these storms. Some succeed. Some fail. All should be judged by their outcomes, not their excuses.

 

[Brent in Az]

I must admit, I enjoy the repartee on this thread, with the occasional haymaker and invective comment thrown in for good measure. Hail fellow well met!

This forum has it's share of sanctimonious pseudo fact checkers.

 

[LivingTheDream]

There have been numerous studies that suggest a high personal income tax paired with a low corporate income tax is best for economic growth without running a deficit. This seems to be a popular strategy in many European countries, including Finland and Sweden. Just something to chew on when we discuss tax rates.

Many European countries also subtract inflation from capital gains so as only to tax real income.

I would also disagree with the high personal income tax is best for growth. Probably does more to impede innovation than any other factor.

 

[wesheltonj]

Like the United States, Finland has a capitalist economy. Why are Finns so much happier than us? . . . :

Vodka and saunas not necessarily in that order.

 

[jpr9954]

Jerry Clower has the same joke (about his uncles farm and a city boy he took with him)

I remember seeing Jerry Clower live at a Key Club convention in North Carolina in the mid 70s. We'd never heard of him before but he turned out to be really funny even by jaded teenage boy standards.

 

[jpr9954]

you and I rarely agree on much..

but on this I absolutely agree with you....

Biden will swear he'll never send another artillery round today... because someone told him thats what he needs to say to get a vote..

and then send a C17 over tomorrow with a dozen palates of 105mm rounds... and make sure he tells everyone in a Synagogue how he supports Israel next week when hes visiting them..

And how he grew up in a Jewish neighborhood while attending synagogue in Delaware.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bi...ng-growing-list-exaggerated-background-claims

 

[Saul]

Many European countries also subtract inflation from capital gains so as only to tax real income.

I would also disagree with the high personal income tax is best for growth. Probably does more to impede innovation than any other factor.

I would argue that a high corporate income tax is more of an impediment to growth and innovation.

You could certainly make the argument that a low personal income tax rate would result in even greater unfettered growth; however, if we are operating within the confines of providing a certain level of government services without running a deficit, it seems to me that lowering the corporate rate is the better trade-off.

Then again, I am not an economist. I believe Tyler Cowen (who actually is an economist and someone who I greatly respect) wrote some articles/papers about this, so I will have to dig for those when I have the time.

 

[Hunt anything]

Facing resistance is nothing new. Being criticized is nothing new. Being investigated is nothing new. That is why it is so important for presidents to win over a large segment of the population, so that they can weather these storms. Some succeed. Some fail. All should be judged by their outcomes, not their excuses.

There’s resistance and then there is unadulterated hate and that is what Trump faced. In my lifetime I’ve never seen such vitriolic hate and being undermined at every turn.

 

[Vinootz]

The USA has labelled both Canada and the EU as threats to their "National Security" in order to justify new duties declared by their military Commander-in-Chief on the international trade of steel and aluminum. So I suggest that USA made products such as firearms and ammunition should be sold exclusively within the USA so Canada and Europe can help our esteemed neighbour defend themselves and improve their national security. Sadly, I have come to the conclusion that Canadians and Europeans should make do with their own products exclusively. For all our AfricaHunting friends in Canada, Europe, Africa and elsewhere, please don't buy any American made products. Lets's support the USA in their concern. One can never be too careful when there are evil guys to deal with, and it is our duty to help, as always.

Do you agree with all the opinions and statements of your country’s elitists? I highly doubt all Americans would say
what the military commander said. Besides, that clown is a puppet fulfilling an agenda. lol. Also, we really don’t need for any of you to buy our products if you don’t want to. We’ll survive it. LMAO