P14 DG rifles

[Ray B]

@Ray B
Isn't the 8mm REM mag just a modified 375 case any hoo.

Basically it is, just as the 35 Whelen is a modified 30-06.

 

[Choupique]

love the cock on closing

Same. Its the correct way for bolt action rifles to function. I dont understand how cock on close became the standard. Its inferior.

 

[Ray B]

Same. Its the correct way for bolt action rifles to function. I dont understand how cock on close became the standard. Its inferior.

I must be missing something.

 

[Choupique]

must be missing something

I meant cock on opening becoming the standard, sorry for the confusion. Cock on close is definitely my preference.

Cock on close a 3 postion safety and a 2 stage trigger is the proper way for a bolt rifle to be. Not that it matters for a dangerous game rifle but they're easier to shoot prone and opening the bolt all of the leverage is used to extract the case, not extract and cock.

 

[csmiffy]

@csmiffy
Rent a reamer. There's a great gunsmith in Napier I think it is he may have one as well
Bob

Not any to rent Bob here in NZ. Tried a contact someone gave me on this forum for a guy in OZ, but never heard back. Got some good gunsmiths locally it's just the reamer.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

I meant cock on opening becoming the standard, sorry for the confusion. Cock on close is definitely my preference.

Cock on close a 3 postion safety and a 2 stage trigger is the proper way for a bolt rifle to be. Not that it matters for a dangerous game rifle but they're easier to shoot prone and opening the bolt all of the leverage is used to extract the case, not extract and cock.

I think you are confused? For cock on closing "all the leverage" is used to shut the bolt, not extract the case. It requires pushing the rifle away from the shoulder and down to cock. For my 98 Mauser and O3A3 cock on closing rifles, all the physical effort to cock occurs when the rifle remains seated in the shoulder and the bolt is lifted. No lateral "leverage" in either direction is required to cock so the butt stays put in shoulder. The same amount of leverage is needed to withdraw the bolt and extract the case no matter which cocking design is employed.

I know the Brits always claimed their Enfield could be fired faster than Mauser or Springfield because of the cock on closing design but I do not see how that could be possible. Maybe something else in the design ... or maybe the test was rigged. Also, for Mauser all the effort to cock is made with an empty case in the chamber. For Enfield the considerable effort to cock not only pushes the gun away from the shoulder, but it's with a live round in the chamber. And Enfield only has a two position safety so the wrestling to cock not only involves a live round, but rifle must be off safe. Mauser and Springfield have 3-position safeties so in theory when the bolt is closing (relatively effortlessly), the safety could be engaged. Enfield design is okay but it's not the greatest. And that stuff about them firing faster because of the cocking feature is pure myth. Anyway, for a dangerous game rifle I certainly do not want to be pushing the rifle away from my body to cock it. I don't generally cock either Mauser or Springfield on my shoulder but I generally don't have to make followup shots to save my life. If I do have to cycle the gun on my shoulder, I don't want to be fighting with it to load and cock. Lift the bolt and it's cocked is preferable. After that it's effortless cycling while I'm getting back on target.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

Oops. 03A3 and Mauser are cock on opening, not closing. Gad! I should never write anything before my morning coffee.

 

[Choupique]

I dont think im confused. The 1896 swedish is easily my favorite bolt action and ive send a lot of rounds down a few of them.

Ill stick to what ive shot a bunch -

With a model 70 or 700 (cock on open) it is very difficult to keep the rifle on target opening the bolt because of the torque you must apply to the rifle to open it. You're also splitting the force applied between cocking the bolt and extracting the case. With cock on close, assuming the case isnt stuck, opening is butter smooth.

When running a bolt quickly, I dont even notice the cocking effort when closing it. I was going to slam it shut anyway. I can see how someone who wasnt a bolt slammer like I am would prefer cock on close.