Own A Game Ranch In Africa

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  1. Supercat

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    Stuart, I sincerely hope that you are correct and that RSA moves past what's going on now but if Zimbabwe is the canary in the coal mine as to how these things turn out then I would be quite worried for my children's future if I were you. RSA still has allot of whites and is much bigger than Zim so it will take longer for it to fail but if things continue on the same path as they are now then I would be looking to leave and not to be the last man standing.

    I pray that I'm wrong but it doesn't look that way
     
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  2. Karoo Wild Safaris

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    The government has stated the instances under which they intend to expropriate land. It doesn’t include agricultural land in normal circumstances. Agri SA is involved in the process. We will see how it unfolds but in my opinion, they can’t confiscate land without economic collapse or civil war.

    For me personally it’s not about whether people ( all people white and black ) will be allowed to remain here. It’s about whether we want to remain here. Standards in education and service delivery are eroding at a rapid pace and unless they stabilize or improve there’s no future for a person who has alternative options. For now we can still send our kids to good semi private government schools and us in rural areas are largely isolated from the service delivery problems in certain municipalities. We still live an amazingly high standard of life and for now things are ok, much like before. But when there’s no possibility of sending your kids to an SA university and no job opportunities, you have to start asking what’s the future in staying here.

    SA has never been an easy place for white people to live, never at any point in our history can we consider living here problem free. There are no naive white farmers in Africa, we all know the risks, political and otherwise. We also Have the honor of living in a beautiful country with some truly good people. Our government officials, like in most countries, don’t accurately portray the people they represent
     

  3. Philip Glass

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    I think they are hoping to get some foreign investment to hedge against land reforms. I am told there was some of this done in Zim. Of course having the right political connections helps!
     

  4. Supercat

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    Can you give me their names? I have a bridge to see them in Brooklyn;)
     
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    Will be interesting watching them try to take back hijacked Tower blocks taken over by gangs and drug dealers...... And where is the money going to come from for all these new developments?...... Sorry but am too cynical to see much of it happening especially in the way of integrated development she portrays....
     

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    I think we can all appreciate and understand this statement..
     
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    I agree with you there. All sounds fantastic though but on the implementation is where most African governments fail. But the emphasis does at least now appear to be on unused urban and state land which is what the ANC have been saying to AGRI SA all along.
     

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    By 2050 China will own S A . Let it fall farther and then bring in their Agri business, and maybe even make Zim a viable country again with it. I'll be dead, but it's all in the works in my opinion.
     

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    Possibly, they already own Zim and Zambia
     

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    Anyone make an inquiry as to the price?
     

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    This had been my view for 20 years. Africa becoming a colony of China that will be much more difficult than the rule of the Europeans.

    Part of China's plan is to promise a massive infrastructure project. Fund it while using Chinese companies and employees. Expending say $500m on the project but marking it up to $3b and saddling the African country with debt they can not pay. Then restructuring the unplayable loan for access to minerals, harbors, airports, 99 year leases on large tracts of land, etc. This doesn't even include the massive bribes that take place to secure the projects.

    In East Africa there has started to be serious backlash against the Chinese which is nice to see.

    China’s plan to help build Kenya’s first coal plant has been stopped—for now

    https://qz.com/africa/1653947/kenya-court-stops-china-backed-lamu-coal-plant-project/



    Tanzania's China-backed $10bn port plan stalls

    https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/business/Tanzania-port-plan/2560-5127662-10sv8emz/index.html



    These are two of the major projects but there have been other smaller issues which have frustrated or maddened the locals.



    The following is a decent article dealing with the local's feelings toward the Chinese.

    A New Chinese-Funded Railway In Kenya Sparks Debt-Trap Fears

    https://www.npr.org/2018/10/08/6416...unded-railway-in-kenya-sparks-debt-trap-fears


    I don't know if this is starting to be a prevailing feeling towards the Chinese through out Africa or if this is just an East African push back at the moment.

    Trump is negotiating a complete reset with the Chinese regarding trade. If a deal with China doesn't happen, that is probably best for America and the world. If a deal gets done, it will negate the cheating/lying that has gone on with the Chinese over the years. After America is done dealing with the Chinese, don't be surprised if the EU, or European countries individually, if the EU falls apart, don't make a similar deal as America. After half of the world's GDP has a reset with China, other countries may start dealing with China in a different way than they have in the past.

    Here's to hope!
     
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    PS: China has massive economic problems lying under the surface. If a bubble in one industry bursts, others may domino and their economy could get really bad in a hurry. There is also potential political issues lying under the surface. ie: see the marches that just took place in Hong Kong. The CCP backed down and everyone in Hong Kong and China know it! 90 million people rule 1.4 billion people with an iron hand. The CCP know they have problems that need to be dealt with soon. In the mean time Trump doesn't want a deal done now. Perhaps in another five years. The longer the negotiations go on, the better for America and the world.
     
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    After spending some time in different parts of China recently, I think the situation in China is the opposite of HK so I don't think the parallels apply. The Chinese are trying to put restrictions on HK. On the mainland, it is the opposite.

    Since the 1989 student and worker uprising, the CCP has loosened restrictions on business formation and some individual freedoms. They have done this in an effort to stay in power and buy off the populace. From what I have seen, it has been successful. Random people I have met there seem to be happy and prospering. In the cities, the women are dressed to the nines, everyone has cell phones and the numbers of Mercedes, BMWs, and Audi cars has to be seen to be believed. Everyone is prospering with our stolen technology!

    The numbers of new airports, highways and other infrastructure puts us to shame. While we have governmental gridlock on immigration, health care, etc... they are getting things built and done. It's not a good form of government for the people, but you have to admit that they don't have our gridlock.

    The state controlled media reminds me of the Soviet era Cold War propaganda in the USSR - very anti-American and anti-Trump. The Chinese government does not see the USA as a friend, but a competitor. From what I can tell, China is still rising while Europe and the USA are in decline due to a socialist educational system here that is not teaching our young people the value of capitalism, self reliance, democracy and patriotism.
     

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    Yes, China has completed many infrastructure projects. Especially in the last 12 years. One of the problems is that there are eight lane highways leading from the equivalent of a St. Louis to a Rapid City. In the equivalent of Rapid City, 30 apartment buildings of 20 stories each have been built to hold 30,000 people. Office buildings and shopping centers have been built to accommodate the influx of people. The problem is no one wants to live there so the buildings are vacant and few people use the highways.

    China has between 30-60 million new housing units that are vacant, depending on who reports the information.

    A Fifth of China’s Homes Are Empty. That’s 50 Million Apartments

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-homes-are-empty-that-s-50-million-apartments


    Real Estate is where the average Chinese holds his savings/wealth. Ten percent down and finance 90% works good in a rising market. The problem is the markets are softening. Developers have tried to dump inventory and have had riots from those that bought a few months previously. The government has stopped developers from dumping. Developers now can't pay their loans.

    75% of Chinese wealth is in their houses vs. 30% of American's wealth. A 20% correction in real estate values will wipe way more than half of the equity away.

    China ghost cities and real estate correction: China’s GDP and individual household wealth is heavily tied to real estate. What happens when a correction hits?

    https://www.mybudget360.com/china-ghost-cities-real-estate-part-of-gdp-chinese-housing/



    A correction in the housing market craters the banking/financial industries. China has massive debt problems. America has a debt to GDP ratio of 1/1. Officially China has a debt to GDP ratio of .5/1. This article says the ratio is closer to 3/1. More recent articles I have read say it may be closer to 5/1. There is a tremendous amount of cross colaterilization and cross guarantees. Companies with no real debt of their own have guaranteed loans for other companies for 5-10 times their own equity. This is a massive house of cards.

    Debt, Not Trade War, Is China's Biggest Problem

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/panosm...e-war-is-chinas-biggest-problem/#2f26c2c84c4d


    The real estate and financial markets of China are massive time bombs waiting to happen.

    China also has the problem of not having a diversified economy. Their economy has been built to be an export economy. They do not have enough internal demand to offset the loss in exports. America can easily replace Chinese products with the same or similar products from other countries at an increase of 1-2%. China doesn't have other countries to replace the entire demand of America.

    China has a major problem with it's one child policy. When an economy has negative population growth, there is not the high tide to float all boats. The Chinese economy will have to fight the loss of people in the work force as the country ages and people retire. The Chinese government is on the line for guarantees in retirement that are way worse in China than American's are facing with social security.



    American's with Chinese ancestry that I know in America, who still have relatives in China, say the social credit score is despised and is causing a massive shift in attitudes amongst many Chinese. If you are not familiar with it, this article may be enlightening. As long as the economy continues to rock along, the social credit scores will probably be tolerated. When the first bubble bursts, it will be very interesting to see how the CCP deals with this.

    China has started ranking citizens with a creepy 'social credit' system — here's what you can do wrong, and the embarrassing, demeaning ways they can punish you

    https://www.businessinsider.com/china-social-credit-system-punishments-and-rewards-explained-2018-4


    This is a good article to help show the problems China is facing with America over a trade deal. China has a $400B trade surplus with America. This doesn't include the $500B of technological and industrial theft they commit against America every year. China can only loose. America can only win. Ross, Lighthizer, Mnuchin and Navaro know this. Trump has assembled the most amazing group America has ever seen to deal with trade. Five percent of China's GDP is exports to America. Supply chains are being broken every day as manufactures move to other countries where exports to America won't be subject to tariffs. Trump has all the time in the world to make a trade deal. Is 5% loss in GDP enough to trigger the first Chinese bubble to pop? We live in interesting times.

    Investment Exodus / Shifting Supply Chains – China Walks into Trump’s “Golden Ticket” Trap…

    https://theconservativetreehouse.co...s-china-walks-into-trumps-golden-ticket-trap/


    I could go on but have work to finish up with today. Cheers.
     
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    ^^^^^Whoa! A social credit score??^^^^^ In the U.S., that would free up most aircraft, train and bus seats.:D
     
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    I have been in the major cities and have not seen the empty buildings that are written about in these articles. Everywhere I have been has been very busy.

    As for real estate in China, citizens can “buy” a home but after 70 years it reverts back to the state. Not a great investment!
     
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