Kudu Expectations Vs Realities

Discussion in 'Hunting Africa' started by shootist~, Jan 30, 2019.

  1. WAB

    WAB AH Fanatic

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2015
    Messages:
    985
    Video/Photo:
    25
    Likes Received:
    1,523
    Location:
    Alabama
    Member of:
    DSC, NRA, SCI
    Hunted:
    Zambia, Botswana, Mozambique, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Scotland, England, Canada, Alaska, Ireland
    If you are going European and flat skins you’ll save a bundle and simplify your life having the work done in RSA. I’ve used Niko van Royen (sp?) in Limpopo and Colletts in Pretoria. If you shoulder mount the mount is cheaper in RSA but the shipping is higher. If you do european mounts, the African mounts are much better, on fantastic teal panels, cost is much less, and shipping is about the same as salted hides and horns.
     
    shootist~ likes this.

  2. wesheltonj

    wesheltonj AH Elite

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2015
    Messages:
    1,698
    Video/Photo:
    11
    Likes Received:
    1,409
    Location:
    South Texas
    Member of:
    Benefactor-Life NRA, DSC, SCI
    Hunted:
    USA, RSA
    If talking about the tape, then you want anything over 53" after drying, which means at least 54 inches on the hoof for Rowland Ward. Those are hard to come by. I saw lots of that the PH said were 48" range, but was holding out for RW size. I spent the first 2 1/2 days of a hunt chasing one down. One was was spotted and never could find him, we had the tracker out all night one night. It was just shear luck that I shot an 57 1/2. The PH want to keep looking and I kept tell them to head back for lunch that I was hungry, after about telling him 3 times over 30 minutes to head back we did, while driving back, spotted one in some brush less then 50 yards from the road. Looked him over for a few minutes and the PH said he is good and down he went.
     
    shootist~ likes this.

  3. Dudders

    Dudders AH Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2015
    Messages:
    418
    Video/Photo:
    108
    Likes Received:
    1,071
    Location:
    uk
    Hunted:
    UK, South Africa, Namibia, Sweden
    IMG_0645.JPG


    east cape kudu left 41.5 inches southern greater kudu right 52 inches .
     
    shootist~, Ragman and BenKK like this.

  4. Dudders

    Dudders AH Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2015
    Messages:
    418
    Video/Photo:
    108
    Likes Received:
    1,071
    Location:
    uk
    Hunted:
    UK, South Africa, Namibia, Sweden
    IMG_0643.JPG

    east cape kudu IMG_0642 (1).JPG southern greater kudu
     
    shootist~ and Ragman like this.

  5. Dudders

    Dudders AH Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2015
    Messages:
    418
    Video/Photo:
    108
    Likes Received:
    1,071
    Location:
    uk
    Hunted:
    UK, South Africa, Namibia, Sweden
    P1010314.JPG
    east cape kudu from euro mount above
     
    shootist~ and Ragman like this.

  6. Dudders

    Dudders AH Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2015
    Messages:
    418
    Video/Photo:
    108
    Likes Received:
    1,071
    Location:
    uk
    Hunted:
    UK, South Africa, Namibia, Sweden
    P1010539.JPG
    southern kudu from euro mount above
     
    shootist~ and Ragman like this.

  7. 3S Safaris

    3S Safaris SPONSOR Since 2017 AH Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    473
    Video/Photo:
    195
    Likes Received:
    304
    Location:
    76476
    Member of:
    SCI
    Hunted:
    Namibia, South Africa
    Great questions Shootist . First photo is a 48" and second photo 53.5" both Cape Kudu. One should expect 44-48" on average and anything above 50 is exceptional . I think both have unique characteristics that make each one unique and I have seen several Grater Kudu on some of our concessions and I too after taking a very large Cape Kudu will not pay the price for a Greater Kudu in SA. So it boils down to a personal choice of what you are looking for as Cape Kudu are out there at 50" + but they are not called the " Grey Ghost" for nothing. We can accommodate your query as well if you would like us to put together something for you feel free to PM me .

    IMG_0567.JPG w8.jpg
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jan 31, 2019
    shootist~ and Ragman like this.

  8. johnnyblues

    johnnyblues AH ENABLER AH Ambassador

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2013
    Messages:
    6,165
    Video/Photo:
    121
    Likes Received:
    5,708
    Location:
    Seaford NY
    Hunted:
    USA, ALASKA Canada, New Zealand, Mexico Africa.
    Thanks Scott, he was a good ole bull, chipped up a bit gave him some character. My first big game trophy in Africa.
     

  9. Adam Stevens

    Adam Stevens AH Veteran

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2015
    Messages:
    176
    Video/Photo:
    63
    Likes Received:
    245
    Location:
    Fraser Valley
    Hunted:
    Canada, USA, Mexico
    The deeper the curls the more they use up that ruler.

    Won’t even know the length of these till They arrive back from Zim!!! No one in camp had a tape measure. Way it should be.

    “ A hunt based only on the trophies taken falls short of what the goal should be “ Fred Bear


    [​IMG]
     

    Attached Files:

    • 4_2.jpg
      4_2.jpg
      File size:
      199.4 KB
      Views:
      82
    Last edited by a moderator: Jan 31, 2019
    shootist~, Ragman, Tra3 and 2 others like this.

  10. Red Leg

    Red Leg AH ENABLER LIFETIME BRONZE BENEFACTOR AH Legend

    Joined:
    May 19, 2009
    Messages:
    3,622
    Video/Photo:
    216
    Likes Received:
    7,228
    Location:
    Texas Hill Country
    Member of:
    SCI DSC life memberships / NRA Patron Life
    Hunted:
    Mexico, Namibia, RSA, Germany, Austria, Argentina, Canada, Mozambique, Spain, US (15 states)
    If you are set on the RSA, you might contact Phillip Bronkhorst http://www.pbsafaris.com/. I hunted with him in late June and early July of last year. We spent three-days looking for something north of 55" unsuccessfully. However, conditions were about as bad as they could be with howling cold winds. We hunted a huge property and saw at least a half-dozen bulls in the 50"-55" inch range. We saw one 55"+ but could not regain contact once bailing the cruiser. However, like most of South Africa, a big one comes at a premium price. Namibia is a different deal. Khomas is one of our sponsors. There are others. They have a flat fee for a kudu, and the PH will be working his butt off to find you the best he can. https://www.khomas-highland-hunting.com/index.php/african-hunter.html I took mine with Nick Nolte https://nicknoltehunting.com/ and Jamy Traut https://jamyhunts.com/. Both of them will also provide an incredible experience and a chance of a great kudu at a still reasonable price.
    [​IMG]
     

  11. jeff

    jeff AH Legend

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2010
    Messages:
    2,171
    Video/Photo:
    21
    Likes Received:
    1,599
    Location:
    Salmon Idaho
    Member of:
    sci P&Y
    Hunted:
    Namibia, South Africa in Kwazu Natal, Limpopo, Eastern Cape , Northwest Province, USA Ariz, Nev, Mont, Ida, Ore, Cal, Mich,Wash, AlasKa
    Length doesn't tell it all, a great shape turning out at the top and not overly wide or narrow will look better than many that are a few inches longer! Don't get overly hung up on the tape!
     
    shootist~ and Gemsbok Gangsta like this.

  12. IvW

    IvW AH Elite

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2016
    Messages:
    1,617
    Video/Photo:
    57
    Likes Received:
    2,270
    Location:
    South Africa
    Member of:
    BASA, CHASA
    Hunted:
    South Africa, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Botswana, Namibia,Zambia
    Kudu.....

    One of if not the most iconic PG animal in Africa.

    Difficult to judge in the field.

    When considering expectations vs reality that is exactly where you need to start...

    More often than not the shape and the look of the horns are more important to the hunter than the measurement not excluding the experience of the hunt...

    Meaning a well shaped 50 incher can look a lot better than a deep curled 54 or 56 incher.

    I have hunted a 1 and a half curl 56 incher that looks weird compared to a two and a bit curl 50 incher with the typical shape...

    When you get into the 56 inch plus class they all tend to have good shape mass and deep curls.

    In the end it is about the hunt, the shape you like and the actual tape measurement should be the last consideration...hunt this way and the inches will automatically do their part.

    Old kudu bulls with decent mass and shape present a lot better than younger bulls with no mass and non typical shape even if they have more inches..
     

  13. IvW

    IvW AH Elite

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2016
    Messages:
    1,617
    Video/Photo:
    57
    Likes Received:
    2,270
    Location:
    South Africa
    Member of:
    BASA, CHASA
    Hunted:
    South Africa, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Botswana, Namibia,Zambia
    I beg to differ...

    a 54 inch Kudu on the hoof will never make the 53 7/8" minimum after the drying period..

    57 1/2 inch is a great kudu..
     
    shootist~ likes this.

  14. buck wild

    buck wild SILVER SUPPORTER AH Fanatic

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2015
    Messages:
    771
    Video/Photo:
    241
    Likes Received:
    944
    Location:
    Texas
    Member of:
    SCI Brush Country Chapter
    Hunted:
    Kalahari; Limpopo; Mexico; Texas
    To sum it up :) Generally speaking- North SA/Zim and Namabia bulls are bigger in body and length than the EC. Due to the rarity and demand, bulls over 55" are fetching prices $3k and up in the Limpopo (I would argue the kudu capital of the world). EC bulls are more plentiful and have more color to their capes. All AH sponsors will have what you are looking for- no matter what that is :D I think that's about it

    46" Limpopo- I wasnt going home without one on my first trip
    kuduLDP.jpg


    59" Limpopo on my 3rd trip
    32 kudu kill.jpg
     

  15. Red Leg

    Red Leg AH ENABLER LIFETIME BRONZE BENEFACTOR AH Legend

    Joined:
    May 19, 2009
    Messages:
    3,622
    Video/Photo:
    216
    Likes Received:
    7,228
    Location:
    Texas Hill Country
    Member of:
    SCI DSC life memberships / NRA Patron Life
    Hunted:
    Mexico, Namibia, RSA, Germany, Austria, Argentina, Canada, Mozambique, Spain, US (15 states)
    Extremely nice bull (and an ancient one). Though I would not call the Limpopo the Kudu capital of the world. Central Namibia would have my vote - by a lot.
     
    Adrian likes this.

  16. GA Hunter

    GA Hunter AH Fanatic

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2017
    Messages:
    504
    Video/Photo:
    21
    Likes Received:
    614
    Location:
    USA , GA
    I didn’t read every post in the thread so forgive me if I’m repeating something already said.

    Ask yourself this and be honest, will anyone EVER walk in your trophy room and know the difference between a 48” kudu and a 58” kudu?? My suggestion is to tell your outfitter and PH that a big kudu would mean a lot. Then go enjoy yourself and take what the bush offers.

    Whatever you decide to do, enjoy yourself, take pictures, and get ready to go back. It’s addictive.

    Best,
    BD
     

  17. G Skinner

    G Skinner AH Fanatic

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2013
    Messages:
    716
    Video/Photo:
    58
    Likes Received:
    420
    Hunted:
    Namibia
    My Kudu was a good representative.... Am I proud of it "HELL YA !" Go and enjoy ... Take what Africa has to offer ! DSC_0223.JPG DSCF2404.JPG
     
    shootist~ and Ragman like this.

  18. jeff

    jeff AH Legend

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2010
    Messages:
    2,171
    Video/Photo:
    21
    Likes Received:
    1,599
    Location:
    Salmon Idaho
    Member of:
    sci P&Y
    Hunted:
    Namibia, South Africa in Kwazu Natal, Limpopo, Eastern Cape , Northwest Province, USA Ariz, Nev, Mont, Ida, Ore, Cal, Mich,Wash, AlasKa
    The kudu in my avatar is 58 inches but I've seen bulls that looked better that were 50-55 with better shape.
     
    shootist~ likes this.

  19. enysse

    enysse AH ENABLER AH Ambassador

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2009
    Messages:
    11,057
    Video/Photo:
    123
    Likes Received:
    3,410
    Member of:
    Northeast Wisconsin SCI chapter, Lifetime member of NRA,RMEF
    Hunted:
    Namibia, South Africa (East Cape, Guateng and Limpopo)
    I think there is enjoyable kudu hunting across Southern Africa. I have hunted them many times.....as I have gotten older the inches have meant less to me than the memories and how the hunt was carried out. I passed on 51 to 52 inch kudu in the East Cape just because we drove up on him in the truck and he was caught out in the open, which was rare to be honest. I could have killed him easily but it didn't seem like I earned him.

    There are some terrific looking kudu taken in the East Cape. They won't go over 53 inches but who cares. At the same time there are bigger kudu in Namibia and the Limpopo Province to say the least. Enjoy the journey, the adventure and the memories.

    I know if I see a nice one in Zimbabwe, I will be taking one home.
     
    johnnyblues, Nyati and Adrian like this.

  20. IdaRam

    IdaRam BRONZE SUPPORTER AH Elite

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2014
    Messages:
    1,797
    Video/Photo:
    182
    Likes Received:
    2,838
    Location:
    Idaho
    Member of:
    NRA Life Member, NAHC Life Member, SCI, DSC, Wild Sheep Foundation, NSSF
    Hunted:
    Idaho, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, California, Alberta Canada, South Africa, Zimbabwe
    Many areas in Zim area producing great kudu, hope you get a crack at one. Where will you be hunting?

    Some really good bulls coming from Botswana too! Tholo seems to be one of the top producers.
     

Share This Page

 
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice