I sent a nice, polite, loving email to the Minister of Tourism about this issue. To whit, you have a great country, great people and us Americans want you to do well, that not only do we like hunting, we like that it helps support many thousands of people who would otherwise be unemployed. I await their reply.
As an aside, I read in a RSA newspaper that hunters coming to South Africa's are way down from the peak while Namibia's are UP! I'll see if I can dig up the story and paste it here.
From financialmail website, Story headline is Hunting: The colour game is over.
In 2014, the latest year for which data is available, 7,638 foreign hunters came to SA, less than half the best-yet figures of 16,394 in 2006.
The big winner is Namibia, a country free of canned hunting and colour variants.
“Foreign-hunter numbers to Namibia grew from 6,300 in 2007 to 23,768 in 2014,” says Flack
Very polite answer to your problem, considering it being a government agency!Regarding my issues with form 4457 in Cleveland, I received this email at 830 am today.
We have contacted the Port Director in the Port of Entry for Cleveland to clarify the situation and to request that their outdated forms be destroyed. We also requested that they order new forms and to allow printed copies in the meantime.
We hope this will resolve your situation as quickly as possible. Officer simply follow the rules that they know. I am so sorry that you have to return to the port for certification. Please hold off to returning to the port until we receive confirmation from the Port Director that he acknowledges the change. I don’t want you to be turned away again.
Have a wonderful and safe trip.
International Trade Specialist
US Customs and Border Protection
Office of Trade
This should rectify the problem at least in my area. My thanks to this site for paying such close attention to this matter and providing links and information. Also, SCI came through big with a rapid response. I am also pleasantly surprised so far at the CPB, I was expecting a longer wait for any response. Less than 1 hour for a response from SCI, 16 hours for CPB in Washington to respond.
Why do people try to re-invent the wheel? SAP has said over and over again, they will not accept an "expired" 4457. CCW? What the hell is that to South Africa? From this chair, you are looking for trouble and will most likely find it. Good Luck, you'll need it.I'm new here... well not new as I signed up a while ago which got me the Africa bug Anyway instead of getting hung up on form for 4457 has anyone considered an alternative. SAPS website says the required documentation is "A certified copy of a licence, permit, authorization or any other documentary proof confirming the lawful possession of the firearm." Has anyone tried a notarized bill of sale or a concealed carry license? Heading over for the first time next week. Using an agency to pre-approve my rifle. I sent them my 4457 with no expiration from 3 years ago and a copy of my CCW. Told them that is all I had. Figured I would take a notarized bill of sale with me just in case. Unfortunately, I haven't heard if this will work as they said it will only be a couple days before I leave. Just thought I would throw this out there in case it hasn't been discussed. Finally getting real for me and really excited......
Within a few months you should have a choice, for Zambia and Namibia. Turkish Airlines non stop from Atlanta to Istanbul then on to the capitols of Zambia or Namibia. This is in the process of happening and hasn't been approved yet to my knowledge. The only negative I know of at this time will be that on Turkish Air, all electronics including cameras have to go in the baggage when coming into the U.S. Only electronics allowed in the cabin are cell phones. For those of you that fly digital heavy, this is a big problem. For me and I am sure some others this is not a big issue, all other things being equal.
That is good news because Turkish is a gun friendly airline! Also you can go from Houston to Istanbul nonstop.Within a few months you should have a choice, for Zambia and Namibia. Turkish Airlines non stop from Atlanta to Istanbul then on to the capitols of Zambia or Namibia. This is in the process of happening and hasn't been approved yet to my knowledge. The only negative I know of at this time will be that on Turkish Air, all electronics including cameras have to go in the baggage when coming into the U.S. Only electronics allowed in the cabin are cell phones. For those of you that fly digital heavy, this is a big problem. For me and I am sure some others this is not a big issue, all other things being equal.
Sure... Or you can pay the bribe and not have a $20,000 hunt come to an unhappy end. Since the expiration on the top right is just for the OMB review of time required to complete the document, and since US customs has clearly stated the signed forms NEVER expire in their valid legal standing, it is safe to say this is a move to collect more bribes. Sorry to stir the pot, but saying "don't pay the bribe" is ridiculous armchair quarterbacking from our US based easy chairs. Tell that to 100 hunters sitting at SAPS and I bet 99 of them will pay the piper rather than ruin a hunt.
my question is why our customs dept doesnt tell sap to shove it,take what we have already issued or lose the american moneys that you get every year from hunters,cut your nose off to spite your face.
they might care less but they have to print new forms to kiss saps ass,that cost money.and i dont think American hunters will boy cot africa for hunting,but that would do the job.im not going back until my current 4457s are excepted.Because our customs office could care less what SAP's says or does. The form is to prove to our US Customs that we owned what we are bringing back from another country and wasn't intended for any other use.
Perhaps we as hunters need to tell SAP's that we are going elsewhere to hunt because of their position on a 4457 form that has really nothing to do with them.
Thank you for the info.An URGENT message from the Professional Hunters' Association of South Africa:
The South African Police Services’ central firearms desk advised that they will no longer accept America’s Department of Homeland Security’s Certificate of Registration, commonly known as CBP Form 4457, if the date in the top right hand corner has expired.
The NEW CBP Form 4457, is available from Homeland Security’s official website: https://www.cbp.gov/…/docume…/2016-Aug/CBP%20Form%204457.pdf
PHASA wish to alert all hunters traveling to/through South Africa, to obtain a new Certificate of Registration listing their firearms, prior to leaving the United States of America. Other ports of entry elsewhere in the World may follow suit so make sure your 4457 is valid.
PHASA strongly advises hunting clients to pre-apply, through a reputable, registered meet-and-greet agency, for temporary import/export firearm and/or transit permits. Although there is a small fee payable to these service providers, the peace of mind and time saved at the firearm permit office at OR Tambo International Airport, is well worth the effort.
We also request members of the public to treat our South African police officers courteously and in the same manner as they would like to be treated. Paying bribes is not acceptable under any circumstances and hunters are encouraged to expose anyone who tries to extort money or who offers a bribe to an official in order to circumvent due legal procedures.