If you want to shoot dangerous game..

Stalking in bush, 5 meters visibility, is something I really do not like.
Been there and done that for sure…it’s pretty serious at that point and the human is at a serious disadvantage.
 
  • hunt dangerous game, let it be dangerous
  • as close range as possible
  • a bolt rifle or a double
  • the taste of danger
I would say let the game be dangerous, not the hunt. As others have noted, "as possible" may have many variables and qualifiers that limits the choice of distance. A single might heighten the danger even further, or allow the sensation of danger to be felt at a greater distance. If one can taste the danger, then that is pretty close. The senses, in order of distance, might be: taste < touch < smell < see < hear. For some hunters, maybe seeing the danger is close enough. I've seen videos of hunters shooting from sticks at what might be considered non-dangerous distances and yet they are still flustered enough to be shaking pre- and post-shot and have to be reminded to "reload" and "safety on". Danger might depend on the hunt and the hunter.

I was thinking there are three types of hunting:
  1. cull hunting (hogs rooting up farmland, coyotes stealing chickens, nuisance animals endangering people, etc.)
  2. sustenance hunting (I'm hungry and need something to eat; I like venison, the freezer is empty, etc.)
  3. trophy hunting (I want that hide/hair/horn on my wall, etc.)
The DG hunting we're discussing primarily falls under #3 with PG and all other big game. In many cases, it's the collection of the trophy that matters more than the proximity of the kill. Even so, there are many experiences to be had in the field other than putting oneself in harm's way. It could be that a novice hunter gets the full experience at 100 yards while the seasoned hunter with several kills may have gained the experience, earned the right, and have the desire to close the distance.

Novice, seasoned, or professional hunter- cull, sustenance or trophy hunting- a game animal deserves is to be hunted fairly and killed cleanly... at any distance.
 
Can we have a civil discussion on this topic..?

To my mind, if you want to hunt dangerous game, let it be dangerous, otherwise you may as well just shoot deer. DG is to be shot at as close range as possible, either with a bolt rifle or a double..

A buffalo is not dangerous when you shoot him at 80 yards with a .375H&H from sticks.. I mean..if you hunt DG, isnt the taste of danger a part of the experience..?
So Mark Sullivan distances only?
 
If someone only defines their DG hunt by the final shot they need to reevaluate their priorities. I don’t hunt DG because I want it to be dangerous. I hunt DG game because it gives me the full experience from an area. It shouldn’t matter if the shot you take is 5 yards or 100 yards. You should have bumped into elephant, buffalo, maybe lion at close range already. You saw things you’d only see while tracking dangerous game. I’ve hunted buffalo in South Africa, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Cameroon, and Tanzania. I’ve hunted elephant in Zimbabwe. Along with some hippo and a croc. I’ve never defined a hunt by the distance I’ve taken a shot. It’s been about the overall experience.
 
Each to their own I guess. Personally I do not use a scoped rifle or sticks, and use a Ruger #1 .500 Sharps. That remained true until about a year ago when we went on buffalo "meat hunt" off license. That one was across a river; got it with a 375 H&H at 104 yards with express sights off sticks. I found it a bit unsatisfying for me but the locals got meat which was very satisfying.
 
I've shot a Lioness, a cow and bull Buffalo, and I listen to my PH. Bull was at 62 yds and we couldn't get any closer, thick bush and on the side of hill.
 
I think that the distance the first shot is taken from is less important than how the overall hunt is conducted. Getting in close to dangerous game is a big part of my enjoyment, whether the shot is ultimately fired close or farther away. Thinking back on first shot distances on all dangerous game my shots have ranged from a few feet to about 100 yards, with most first shots being from 15-50 yards or so, regardless of which species we were hunting. But those shots were just a portion of the overall experience on most dangerous game hunts. Some of my greatest dangerous game memories are encounters where no shot was fired.

I’ll never forget my first buffalo, where we were crawling on hands & knees behind 2 big bulls and one turned and fed across our front, stopping just 13 yards in front of us, turning its head to look directly at me but no shot due to a large mopane covering where I had to shoot. I had to wait for him to run to put a 500 grain soft point through his heart, but what I’ll never forget is being at eye to eye level with that buffalo, staring at each other before he broke and ran.

I’ll never forget tracking a lion on foot in Botswana, going from open grassy areas to dense palm jungles, following the lions as they traveled. At each dense patch, I’d remove the scope from my .416 and shove it in my pocket as any encounter was going to be at 10-20 yards. It was intense! In the end we caught up to them out in the open and my shot was around 80-90 yards across short grass. But the sweat soaked memories were made along the track where no shots were fired.

Just this past May I shot a buffalo on Hammond at around 30-35 yards. Not too close but not too far; but what made the experience so great was that we’d snuck right into the herd and actually had buffalo on 3 sides with the one I shot coming from behind us and passing on the right. We had times over the last couple days where we were 10-15 yards from buffalo in thick cover and never fired a shot; to me that’s a big component of what makes buffalo hunting fun. And about 5 minutes before I shot that buffalo, I was only 2-3 feet from some extremely dangerous non-game that we stopped to photograph with our iPhones… a Vine Snake! We almost walked under it as he was laying along a branch we were about to pass under. We stepped back, whipped out our phones, took a couple pictures at arm’s length, then walked around the other side of that big bush. I remember that close encounter with the snake as much as the buffalo.

Following wounded buffalo is a whole experience unto itself and is worthy of its own thread. I’ve followed wounded bulls several times and we’ve found them each time except once; but the one we never recovered gave us memories we’ll never forget. After losing the bull despite following it for hours and miles one evening and the next day, Alan Vincent summed up the intensity of the experience perfectly during dinner when he said “Each time we came to one of those thickets, I was sure that buffalo was going to stand up in front of one of us…. At 10 yards! “. I’ll remember that forever.

You don’t get those feelings while hunting plains game.

To me, dangerous game hunting is about the entire experience, the targeted and non-targeted game, the near & far encounters and the actual first shot is but one piece of a rather large puzzle.
 
I guess I just don't spend that much time thinking about it much less telling others how to do so.
Especially during fall hunting season.
Not poking fun at the OP, just scratching my head.

Have fun, be careful, be ethical, don't be "that guy."

But I bow hunt and the bow hunters can go all snobby on the rifle hunters (and they do.)
And the spear hunters can... Well, you get the idea.

Now using your fists, that's hunting.
 
Can we have a civil discussion on this topic..?

To my mind, if you want to hunt dangerous game, let it be dangerous, otherwise you may as well just shoot deer. DG is to be shot at as close range as possible, either with a bolt rifle or a double..

A buffalo is not dangerous when you shoot him at 80 yards with a .375H&H from sticks.. I mean..if you hunt DG, isnt the taste of danger a part of the experience..?
If you want danger. Why not go on a bolshevik safari? That would put you on equal footing them shooting at you and you them. Plenty of wars to go around. If thats how you feel about things.
 
Can we have a civil discussion on this topic..?

To my mind, if you want to hunt dangerous game, let it be dangerous, otherwise you may as well just shoot deer. DG is to be shot at as close range as possible, either with a bolt rifle or a double..
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I'm not so sure about the "danger" premise being the big draw. In my view the challenge of the stalk is the draw no matter what critter you are after.

I was taught to stalk game and get as close as you could, no matter what the beast. "Matching your whits"

I found that bow hunting Cape Buffalo was certainly exhilarating. However, it is not for everyone. I won't ever knock a rifle hunter for using a modern firearm, whatever the design, to take game from a reasonable distance that they feel is acceptable/ethical.

I hope you all hunt in a manner you find enjoyable.
 
I have never hunted DG. I hope to maybe hunt buffalo in the future and I think maybe once the kids are grown up a tusk less elephant could be within my grasp.

That being said I Don’t think we should be telling anyone how they have to hunt. If a hunter is happy and satisfied in making a well placed shot resulting in a dead buffalo at 80 yards then that is that hunters hunt and none of our business.
I like every elephant hunting....tuskless ,cow,trophy bull ,but tuskless is surely, unwounded ,the most dangerous animal which u can hunt...next it cropping P.A.C elephant hunt when allowed in the night.
 
I have shot elephant at 40 yds while is running off ,bear on the bait a 40 mt,my father same distance for leopard.Lion on tracks at 30 yds in the high grass.Buffalo at 10 yds... I have been between a heard of elephant at not over 15 yds of each one.With Ian Gibson, first day of my first safari,we have arrived so close to the buffalo heard which Ian have launched a fist of dust in its face to turn it off!!!I did can not shot ,that time,to this 42/43 inches because solid could be a problem due a possible shot trough .
Ian for me ,was just a legend in 1989.He did can shot straight and fast by his 458 as me by a semiauto 22 LR!!
 
Distance can do the difference vs PG...trophy size not.Rowland ward said"it s not important trophy size but as u will take it
 

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