I’m A Liberal Who Loves Hunting. Allow Me To Change Your Mind

As long as liberals understand that the liberals living in the US live under the umbrella of protection provided by conservatives. This is because the outside world is not threatened by any US liberals. They fear the conservatives of our nation. Additionally, conservatives have proven to be the more tolerant of the two although the left would argue that they are the tolerant. This is easily proven false by a simple disagreement and attempt to engage in a conversation based on facts. I can say that after yesterdays tragedy I am to the point that I no longer want to even try to connect and have meaningful conversation with those that support a party that intentionally supports such harm. I have come to realize there isn't much hope in having conversation that is productive. Simple solution is I don't choose to have those supporters of hate in my life willingly. If I must through work or otherwise converse with such people it will be direct and only to the task at hand and they will sense my feelings without an exchange of words. I have no space in my life for such nonsensical thinking hypocrites.... ...family included!
RIP Charlie Kirk
 
He didn’t say he doesn’t tolerate it. He’s just pointing out the hypocrisy of voting for politicians that are anti gun and anti hunting while still claiming to be for those things.

Being intolerant of a different opinion is what we saw demonstrated yesterday. Presumably by a “liberal.”

You can have different opinions but that doesn’t mean others can’t point out those opinions are foolish.
Thank you. The truth is sometimes as painful as fact.
 
He didn’t say he doesn’t tolerate it. He’s just pointing out the hypocrisy of voting for politicians that are anti gun and anti hunting while still claiming to be for those things.

Being intolerant of a different opinion is what we saw demonstrated yesterday. Presumably by a “liberal.”

You can have different opinions but that doesn’t mean others can’t point out those opinions are foolish.
I wasn’t really referring to him so much as the attitude. I see a lot of conservatives who refer to liberals they’ve never met in extremely negative terms like scum and dirt bag etc. in my view the fact someone disagrees with me doesn’t make them a bad person.

There are many people who believe in redistribution of wealth that are kind and generous and good people. They are just wrong.

Make no mistake I’m quite conservative. But I believe strongly that being American means that we listen to opposing views and respectfully disagree. Even when the other side isn’t respectful.
 
I wasn’t really referring to him so much as the attitude. I see a lot of conservatives who refer to liberals they’ve never met in extremely negative terms like scum and dirt bag etc. in my view the fact someone disagrees with me doesn’t make them a bad person.

There are many people who believe in redistribution of wealth that are kind and generous and good people. They are just wrong.

Make no mistake I’m quite conservative. But I believe strongly that being American means that we listen to opposing views and respectfully disagree. Even when the other side isn’t respectful.
When some one is doing everything they can to destroy the country,values and history of your country.
They are scum as you say.

You can disagree and find them pos
You can’t actually harm them for politics
As of now the right side still seems to understand this

There left is the ones doing political killings and burning city’s
 
I wasn’t really referring to him so much as the attitude. I see a lot of conservatives who refer to liberals they’ve never met in extremely negative terms like scum and dirt bag etc. in my view the fact someone disagrees with me doesn’t make them a bad person.

There are many people who believe in redistribution of wealth that are kind and generous and good people. They are just wrong.

Make no mistake I’m quite conservative. But I believe strongly that being American means that we listen to opposing views and respectfully disagree. Even when the other side isn’t respectful.
I don’t agree that being American means we have to listen to opposing views. We have to allow them but no one has a right to make others listen to them.

That’s one of the things that’s so horrifying about the murder of Charlie Kirk. No one who disagreed with him had to listen to him. But rather than just walk away, they decided to kill him.

Perhaps you meant in the political sphere and that would be different. Politicians do have to listen to each other or they can’t get things done. But in their personal capacity, no citizen has to listen to anyone else’s opinions. I don’t think you would argue that as Americans, we are obligated to hear out a neo-Nazi. Sure they must be allowed to have their own opinions, but that’s a different story.

As for hypothetical people who are both kind and want to redistribute wealth, we’ll have to agree to disagree. Anyone who wants to redistribute my wealth is no friend of mine, no matter how kind and generous they pretend to be. I can’t consider anyone putting their hand into my wallet (or gun safe for that matter) to be good.

I can live with people being wrong but when they are actively harming my rights and my livelihood, we have gone beyond simple disagreement.
 
I don’t agree that being American means we have to listen to opposing views. We have to allow them but no one has a right to make others listen to them.

That’s one of the things that’s so horrifying about the murder of Charlie Kirk. No one who disagreed with him had to listen to him. But rather than just walk away, they decided to kill him.

Perhaps you meant in the political sphere and that would be different. Politicians do have to listen to each other or they can’t get things done. But in their personal capacity, no citizen has to listen to anyone else’s opinions. I don’t think you would argue that as Americans, we are obligated to hear out a neo-Nazi. Sure they must be allowed to have their own opinions, but that’s a different story.

As for hypothetical people who are both kind and want to redistribute wealth, we’ll have to agree to disagree. Anyone who wants to redistribute my wealth is no friend of mine, no matter how kind and generous they pretend to be. I can’t consider anyone putting their hand into my wallet (or gun safe for that matter) to be good.

I can live with people being wrong but when they are actively harming my rights and my livelihood, we have gone beyond simple disagreement.
I don’t think anyone has a right to make me listen. I do feel that I have a duty to listen, even if I disagree. That listening makes me better informed and helps me think more completely.

I wasn’t referring to the situation with Charlie Kirk at all. Murder is wrong not matter who does it or why.
 
I don’t think anyone has a right to make me listen. I do feel that I have a duty to listen, even if I disagree. That listening makes me better informed and helps me think more completely.

I wasn’t referring to the situation with Charlie Kirk at all. Murder is wrong not matter who does it or why.
@Russ16: from one conservative to another who also states himself to be conservative, and with respect..... Sir: I am not too inclined to to "listen" to someone who has their fangs sunk into my neck. Especially after yesterday. When one of them put a bullet into Charlie's neck. An act which many of them celebrated gleefully, including many in positions of government or leadership. Many others slyly and dishonorably condoned it or excused it or rationalized it.

The First Amendment right of free speech absolutely applies constitutionally to all American citizens. To be clear, that right is in place to protect speech that you don't want to hear. Sometimes speech that almost nobody wants to hear. Most especially speech that the King or the Government does not want to hear. And I fully support that right; in fact I treasure it. Yes, they have a right to say it. That just means the government cannot imprison or punish them for speaking. Nothing more, nothing less. That's what it means. It carries no obligation whatsoever to platform it, to dignify it, to respond to it, to engage with it, or for a private citizen to give it an audience of any kind. And there is zero protection whatsoever for BEHAVIOR if it is criminal. I agree fully with some who have observed that the best solution for speech that you don't like, is MORE speech to push back against it (I think that was Charlie's primary mission; sadly they responded to his SPEECH with an ACT of violence).

NO, I am under ZERO obligation to listen to it or give it one scintilla of credence. By the way, that does NOT make me un-American. If you feel that you have a "duty" to allow poison into your life or your ears or your mind, then I respect your choice and wish you the best of luck. But I submit that listening to poison will not make me or you better informed. I'm precisely as informed as I need to be about poison. I know enough to avoid it. My thinking on that is fully complete. This ain't your Daddy's Democratic Party, or liberals. These people have become more dangerous than anything discussed on this forum, mambas and Dagga Boys included.

If someone is attacking me, or my beloved country, or my way of life...... No Sir-eee Bob. No thank you, very much. Dismissed, with extreme prejudice.

Not trying to pick a fight with you (or anyone). I agree with you that name-calling is not only offensive, but also generally not effective. To be fair, I too have seen some name-calling from the Right. I don't participate in that, and while I can probably understand the hurt and anger, I wish they would choose to use arguments, persuasion, and facts rather than such juvenile tactics. To also be fair, I have seen 87 million metric tons of name-calling from the Left, for years and years. Coming not only from frustrated keyboard warriors, but from the very highest levels of leftist leadership in government, academia, and media. Many would say encouraged and amplified by that leadership. Therein lies a crucial distinction.

"Listening" to toxic, violent, vile, civilization-destroying ideologies is what got us here. It got Charlie dead at age 31. We've been "listening" for at least 60 years, and playing by Marquis of Queensbury rules, while they've been canceling, doxxing, bombing, jabbing, stabbing, burning, rioting, raping, stealing, rigging elections, castrating children, cheating, lying, and murdering. Done. Heard enough. Liberals have showed us who they are and what they stand for. I believe them.

My apologies for the screed. I don't typically check this thread, because I'm here for much more joyful reasons. But right now I'm hurting, and I guess I needed to vent. Most likely you and I would enjoy a nice conversation and a Gin and Tonic around an African campfire, given half a chance. But then, neither of us is spewing poison.
 
@Russ16: from one conservative to another who also states himself to be conservative, and with respect..... Sir: I am not too inclined to to "listen" to someone who has their fangs sunk into my neck. Especially after yesterday. When one of them put a bullet into Charlie's neck. An act which many of them celebrated gleefully, including many in positions of government or leadership. Many others slyly and dishonorably condoned it or excused it or rationalized it.

The First Amendment right of free speech absolutely applies constitutionally to all American citizens. To be clear, that right is in place to protect speech that you don't want to hear. Sometimes speech that almost nobody wants to hear. Most especially speech that the King or the Government does not want to hear. And I fully support that right; in fact I treasure it. Yes, they have a right to say it. That just means the government cannot imprison or punish them for speaking. Nothing more, nothing less. That's what it means. It carries no obligation whatsoever to platform it, to dignify it, to respond to it, to engage with it, or for a private citizen to give it an audience of any kind. And there is zero protection whatsoever for BEHAVIOR if it is criminal. I agree fully with some who have observed that the best solution for speech that you don't like, is MORE speech to push back against it (I think that was Charlie's primary mission; sadly they responded to his SPEECH with an ACT of violence).

NO, I am under ZERO obligation to listen to it or give it one scintilla of credence. By the way, that does NOT make me un-American. If you feel that you have a "duty" to allow poison into your life or your ears or your mind, then I respect your choice and wish you the best of luck. But I submit that listening to poison will not make me or you better informed. I'm precisely as informed as I need to be about poison. I know enough to avoid it. My thinking on that is fully complete. This ain't your Daddy's Democratic Party, or liberals. These people have become more dangerous than anything discussed on this forum, mambas and Dagga Boys included.

If someone is attacking me, or my beloved country, or my way of life...... No Sir-eee Bob. No thank you, very much. Dismissed, with extreme prejudice.

Not trying to pick a fight with you (or anyone). I agree with you that name-calling is not only offensive, but also generally not effective. To be fair, I too have seen some name-calling from the Right. I don't participate in that, and while I can probably understand the hurt and anger, I wish they would choose to use arguments, persuasion, and facts rather than such juvenile tactics. To also be fair, I have seen 87 million metric tons of name-calling from the Left, for years and years. Coming not only from frustrated keyboard warriors, but from the very highest levels of leftist leadership in government, academia, and media. Many would say encouraged and amplified by that leadership. Therein lies a crucial distinction.

"Listening" to toxic, violent, vile, civilization-destroying ideologies is what got us here. It got Charlie dead at age 31. We've been "listening" for at least 60 years, and playing by Marquis of Queensbury rules, while they've been canceling, doxxing, bombing, jabbing, stabbing, burning, rioting, raping, stealing, rigging elections, castrating children, cheating, lying, and murdering. Done. Heard enough. Liberals have showed us who they are and what they stand for. I believe them.

My apologies for the screed. I don't typically check this thread, because I'm here for much more joyful reasons. But right now I'm hurting, and I guess I needed to vent. Most likely you and I would enjoy a nice conversation and a Gin and Tonic around an African campfire, given half a chance. But then, neither of us is spewing poison.
Very well said but I think it fell on deaf ears
 
I wasn’t really referring to him so much as the attitude. I see a lot of conservatives who refer to liberals they’ve never met in extremely negative terms like scum and dirt bag etc. in my view the fact someone disagrees with me doesn’t make them a bad person.

There are many people who believe in redistribution of wealth that are kind and generous and good people. They are just wrong.

Make no mistake I’m quite conservative. But I believe strongly that being American means that we listen to opposing views and respectfully disagree. Even when the other side isn’t respectful.
Being agreeable to the naive and mentally ill seldom has a positive outcome. Look at where the policies of not confining violent individuals has gotten us. I do not see any benefit to listening respectfully to those who would take my rights, liberty or life.
 
Say what you want and think what you want but if you vote liberal you are not pro gun, pro hunting or pro American!
Flewis, you see the world as black and or white. In truth it is not. It is many shades of grey.
 
I don’t agree that being American means we have to listen to opposing views. We have to allow them but no one has a right to make others listen to them.

That’s one of the things that’s so horrifying about the murder of Charlie Kirk. No one who disagreed with him had to listen to him. But rather than just walk away, they decided to kill him.

Perhaps you meant in the political sphere and that would be different. Politicians do have to listen to each other or they can’t get things done. But in their personal capacity, no citizen has to listen to anyone else’s opinions. I don’t think you would argue that as Americans, we are obligated to hear out a neo-Nazi. Sure they must be allowed to have their own opinions, but that’s a different story.

As for hypothetical people who are both kind and want to redistribute wealth, we’ll have to agree to disagree. Anyone who wants to redistribute my wealth is no friend of mine, no matter how kind and generous they pretend to be. I can’t consider anyone putting their hand into my wallet (or gun safe for that matter) to be good.

I can live with people being wrong but when they are actively harming my rights and my livelihood, we have gone beyond simple disagreement.
It’s easy to be kinda and generous
WITH OTHER PEOPLE MONEY
That wealth redistribution.
But normally the people that the money come form are dead or severely hurt. By the kind and generous people moving the money.

Rhodesia
What was it called the bread basket or Africa?
How was the bread after the change in 1980?
That’s redistribution
 
I don’t think anyone has a right to make me listen. I do feel that I have a duty to listen, even if I disagree. That listening makes me better informed and helps me think more completely.

I wasn’t referring to the situation with Charlie Kirk at all. Murder is wrong not matter who does it or why.
How does listing to stupidity make you better?
And that what a lot of liberal talking points are.
How many gender’s? Old men in girls bathroom?
 
Flewis, you see the world as black and or white. In truth it is not. It is many shades of grey.
But there is good and there is evil. There is truth and there is delusion. I prefer to side with the good. To believe that true evil is just a darker shade of gray is just naive.
 
We can all agree to disagree. I wasn’t talking about the events of yesterday but in the broad scope of time.

I believe listening to an idiot can help me understand idiots and potentially help educate them.

I hold no animosity to anyone for their words. But they should be accountable for their actions. I do ask that both sides strive to be respectful in their words but I know it is an impossible dream. But I’m an optimist.

To say that every liberal is tainted with the actions of the worst liberal is to me inaccurate. Just as I should not be tainted by the actions of the worst conservative, and there are conservatives who have done wrong—just as there are liberals. I don’t really care which side has more each wrong action is wrong.
 
Thank you 9x56, that was a very well thought out rebuttal to my post. Thanks for taking the time.
 

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