Drilling or Combo gun as an alternative to a Double for Plains Game?

Discussion in 'Double Rifles' started by bls72bmw, Nov 13, 2013.

  1. Wayne t

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    same here in the UK they really don't hold the money in the bigger calibers at all it's a shame but that's how the market is over here
     

  2. rookhawk

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    @Red Leg we have nearly identical tastes so I would have offered it to you if it was a gun I was proud of. There were several flaws that although safe, were troubling. (Crudely refinished forend, gold fell off barrel band, pinned at head, buggered screws, shallow engraving, replacement top lever screw, rear sight rod was out of timing, claw mounts but no scope, short LOP, metal proud of wood. It was a gun you'd drop $3000 into and it would be worth less than $6000 hard money in the present economy. I try to sell things on this forum I'm proud of and I'd be proud for any member to own. The stuff that is safe but B grade or lower goes to gunbroker or cabelas.
     
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  3. sierraone

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    That is funny!
     

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    Ah ha - have had several of those as well. Buggered screws almost always guarantees an issue or two (or lot more). Too often I buy a bargain for $1800 - put $2500 into it - and end up with a lovely little thing worth $2300. A fine madness.
     
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  5. IvW

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    Out of country at the moment will post some pictures when back.

    My two are both O/U combination guns, one with 28 inch barrels and one with 25 inch barrels, they are both light and comfortable to carry. The one has a QD Claw scope mount system which is awesome.

    I also have a BRNO Side lock S/S shotgun with 24 inch barrels fitted with a front site and rear ghost ring site(a poor mans double if you like), shot many animals with that and Brenneke slugs. Used it for many years as my wounded leopard back-up/follow up gun.

    Some scoped drillings can tend to be a bit heavy(German made 28 inch barrel one I can remember) shorter barrel versions are not a problem and actually make them more comfortable to shoot.
     

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    Thank you for that @DUGABOY1
    I always thought Cape Gun referred to the style and of course the Cape
    Since mine had the reference to the Cape Town and the similar lines I assumed it was such.
    So Cape Guns can only be double barrels ?
     

  7. raimanparoni

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    Answering for original question: I have owned my Sauer 3000 drilling (2x12/70 + 7x65R) six years, and its still mystery for me. Because it has so many opinions:
    you can shoot rifle barrel with or whitout schneller, with scope or with open sight and when you practice you can shoot rifle barrel one time, then you have to cool it. Otherwise next bullet goes up in my gun.
    Also safety is is in the side, and where safety is normally in shotgun is a barrel selector
    So you have take lot of time to get familiar with your drilling. Yesterday I was hunting wolfes (didnt get any) and I learn that I can load a schneller and unload it when safety is on. Dont have to open barrels to unload
     

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    Not this one,... it`s a .222 Remington, 20/70, 20/70 Krieghoff, old Zeiss 1,5-6x36 on claw mounts.

    Weight is 2,78 kg without scope, 3,27 kg with scope.

    It accompanied me to Africa two times.

    I fired more rounds with this little gun, than with the two others rifles, I had with me.

    There is always a baboon, a jakal, a frankolin or even a little warthog you can send a message.

    Don´t leave home without it.

    ;)

    HWL
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    At that weight, I retract my statement!
     

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    Having enough brain always is an advantage....

    ;)

    HWL
     

  11. HWL

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    You are not completely wrong.

    This is the other end.

    Krieghoff 9,3x74R 12/70, 12/70, with insert barrel, 5,1 kg

    When you lift this gun, you feel like you direkt the main artillery of "USS Iowa".


    HWL

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  12. rookhawk

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    Usually, drillings are "awful" shotguns because they are 24" barreled and 9 pounds.

    That being said, for not one penny more, you can find 16/16 and either a 8x57jr or a 9.3x72r rifle with a 27" barrel and they can be as light as 7-3/4 pounds. An optimal London best 16 bore is usually 6-1/2 pounds so it's not a heresy level compromise. Such a drilling is an absolute joy and will take game comfortably at under 200 yards on every continent.
     

  13. HWL

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    I am the worst case,... I'm German, elderly and with limited disposable income!!!

    :sneaky:

    HWL
     
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    Rare item for sale in Germany....

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    Krieghoff Drilling 12/70, 12/70, 9,3x62..... usually, drillings are made in the less powerfull 9,3x74R, but this one is a full size 9,3x62!

    http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=6216034

    HWL

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    The 9.3 x 74R is not less powerful than the 9.3 x 62, they are ballistic twins. The 9.3 x 74R is a better option for a combination, drilling or a double.
     

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    Please do not be blindfolded by only looking at one ammunition supplier.

    You can at the same time look at Norma's listings, a couple of feet per second makes no difference when the same bullet is fired. The same goes for hand loading.

    No animal you shoot with either, using the same bullet will know the difference under normal hunting conditions.

    Statements like you made below are just not correct/accurate and can give the wrong impressions to people not in the know. They deliver exactly the same performance on the front end. Devastating. Both are exceptional African cartridges.

    usually, drillings are made in the less powerfull 9,3x74R, but this one is a full size 9,3x62!
     

  18. HWL

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    Please have a carefully look into the ballistic tables of Norma Reloading Manual #2....and compare the loads of 9,3x62 and 9,3x74R

    Same situation.... 9,3x62 is loaded to a higher level of performance, in EVERY comparable load... not very much, but higher.

    So my statement is correct & accurat in any way.

    You are free to ignore these facts... but it sounds stupid to do so, when everyone else can see it too.

    I did NOT said anything about the performance in the field....!

    But I could...

    I hunt with a Krieghoff Drilling in 9,3x74R and a Mauser M98 in 9,3x62 since decades.......


    HWL
     
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