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@Red Leg
Your statement is very sensible . A Gaur weighs about 1360 kilograms , while a really large African Cape buffalo weighs 770 kilograms ( or less ) . I prefer 500 grain solids for Gaur but when I used them on water buffalo in Australia , I was getting complete pass throughs ( which is risky , for obvious reasons ) . Therefore , I always use controlled expansion soft points for water buffalo . For the reasons that you noted , it is also what I will use on African Cape Buffalo in 2022 . I am partial to hand loaded 500 grain Rhino Solid Shanks ( which are solid only in name , but are actually designed to expand ) .
What velocity are you able to achieve in the 458 WM?
 

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What velocity are you able to achieve in the 458 WM?
@TOBY458
With the 500 grain Rhino Solid Shank hand loads , I was able to achieve a velocity of 2093 feet per second . Perfectly adequate for broadside shots on Australian water buffalo , especially double lung shots . When hunting Gaur , I only use Hornady factory loaded 500 grain DGS meplat nosed steel jacketed solids which have an advertised velocity of 2140 fps ( feet per second ) . Actual velocity is 2133-2137 fps , which is perfectly adequate for all dangerous game . My .458 WM uses a 25 inch Douglas Premium barrel . Do you use IMR 3031 ?
 
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@TOBY458
With the 500 grain Nosler Partition soft nosed hand loads , I was able to achieve a velocity of 2093 feet per second . My .458 WM uses a 25 inch Douglas Premium barrel . Do you use IMR 3031 ?
I haven't loaded for my 458 in awhile, but if I recall correctly, I used H335 for best velocities in this round. The Swift manual shows 2116 fps with their 500 gr A Frame bullet, from a 24" barrel. The last bullets I loaded for my 458 WM were 450 gr Barnes TSX. That gets the velocity up to 2250 or so, and I've read that these bullets perform very well on Buffalo, although I've never hunted Buffalo with a 458. I did however use Barnes 300 gr TSX in my 375 H&H to shoot three water buffalo and one Cape Buffalo. My loads were running 2450 FPS on the three water buffalo, and 2540 FPS on the Cape Buffalo. At 2450 FPS they killed the water buffalo very quickly and penetration was excellent. Expansion was excellent in some cases, and only acceptable in others. (Each buffalo was shot 3-4 times). I don't think any additional shots were needed, I just prefer to keep banging away until the buffalo goes down, if possible.
As for the Cape Buffalo, I made a very steep angling shot as the buff turned to run away and only hit one lung. We tracked the buffalo for over 5 miles before catching up to him. Bullet performance seemed fine on the one lung that was hit, however I never found the bullet to see how it expanded, as it ended up somewhere in the brisket and the skinners never recovered it.
I also shot a Cape Buffalo with a 416 Rem Mag. Using 400gr Swift A Frames at 2325 FPS. One frontal shot took out the heart and ended up in the rear of the buffalo, perfectly expanded.
I think for my future buffalo hunts, I will probably end up using Swift A Frame bullets simply due to the fact that they don't require high velocities in order to expand as required, and seem to perform perfectly at the 2150-2500 fps that most DG calibers achieve.
 

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Premium grade expanding bullets are the best option for buffalo, not solids of any design...
I politely disagree.
There are good reasons for the solid.
Especially if you have to shoot far or thick cover.
If a solid comes across, there is a deep hole in it, but this is not the case with an expanding bullet.
Almost all the old buffalos I have seen were found in dense stuff, so I prefer a solid.
The pieces we needed for the kitchen I shot all with solids.
Only good experiences with them.
And I wouldn't have got one buffalo without solid.
A bullet in the leg doesn't get any better with an expanding bullet.
Ive always both with me.

In principle I do what the PH wants, because I don't want that he is shooting also,if i do not follow his rules.
But there are not so less who prefer a solid for single pieces.
A war of faith, unfortunately too early for beer and chips :)
Foxi
 
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