A Magazine Or A Second Barrel?

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  1. Kawshik Rahman

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    It was the greatest president ( in my humble non American citizen view ) of the United States of America , President Theodore Roosevelt who stated , in his writings " When a man needs more than one shot , an American resorts to the repeater , while an Englishman resorts to the double barrel " .
    In assessment of this statement by this great man , l have decided to provide my insight today on that passionately disputed topic " Is a bolt operation rifle better than a double barrel rifle , or is a double barrel rifle better than a bolt operation rifle ? " . Let us begin dear readers .
    I would also like to add here that l own every photograph in this article and every picture here is mine , and mine alone. One more thing , l would like to add here , dear readers. I know that many of you are passionate in your choice of configuration , but l request you all to approach this topic with an open mind . And of course , l am by no means an authority on this matter , but merely relating things as l perceived them to be from my personal experiences five decades ago .

    Growing up as a child and a young man , in post colonial India , l was ( and still am ) a massive patron of that great English actor , Stewart Granger and his excellent films “ King Solomon’s mine “ , “ The last Safari “ and my favorite “ Harry Black and the tiger “ . Thus , for many years , the image of the traditional Shikari in my mind , was always of Stewart Granger carrying a large double barrel rifle over his shoulder , grabbing the gun by the muzzles ( In “ King Solomon’s mines , this was a double barrel rifle of 8 bore and in “ Harry Black and the tiger “ this was a more modern .375 Holland and Holland magnum calibre double barrel rifle ) . However , a boy’s expectations of a hunter are vastly different from those of some one who hunts in the real world ; something l would be introduced to , in 1962 when l first commenced my career as a professional Shikari in Darjeeling, India.
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    Beautiful Holland and Holland double barrel rifle calibrated for .600 Nitro Express , originally belonging to his Royal Excellence, the Maharajah of Sirguja . I took this photograph in an auction house in Sirguja in 1958 when l had gone to visit it with Father.

    During my career , the Bulk of my clients ( unsurprisingly ) brought bolt operation rifles to old India for Shikar. In line , with President Roosevelt’s assessment some hundred years ago , these gentlemen were predominantly from the United States of America . However , Continental sportsmen and English sports men were also lovers of this bolt operation configuration.
    I have only seen three clients who used to bring double barrel rifles . During my entire career , l had only seen five double barrel rifles in action . Funnily enough , they were all English sportsmen.
    Below , l have attempted to make a complete list of every rifle cartridge ever brought by a client of mine to Darjeeling for Shikar ( you will forgive me if l have missed a few , but in general , l think l have listed all of them from the smallest to the largest ) .
    .22 Long Rifle
    .22 Winchester magnum rim fire
    .22 Hornet
    .22 High Power
    .243 Winchester
    .256 Mannlicher
    .270 Winchester
    7 millimeter mauser
    7 millimeter Remington magnum
    8 millimeter mauser
    8 millimeter Mannlicher
    .30-30 Winchester
    .30-06 Springfield
    .308 Winchester
    .300 Winchester magnum
    .300 Weatherby magnum
    .338 Winchester
    9.3 millimeter mauser
    .375 Austrian Mannlicher
    .375 Holland and Holland magnum
    .400 Nitro Express
    .458 Winchester magnum

    In case , anyone has noticed , most ( if not all ) of these cartridges are designed to be fired from bolt operation rifles. Indeed , the bolt operation rifle took many a good head of Indian game in my time . I never felt a client lacking with a good bolt operation rifle in his hands.
    I personally categorize the bolt operation rifle in two categories:
    A) Bolt operation - Notable models include the Winchester’s model 70 ( new pattern ) , Remington’s model 700 , Birmingham Small Arms ( new pattern) , Weatherby rifles , Browning’s Hi Power model , Colt’s Sauer model
    B) Bolt operation WITH mauser type extracting claw device - Notable models include the original mauser ( of course ) , custom pieces built military surplus mauser mechanisms , French Brevex mechanism , Winchester’s model 70 ( old pattern) , Mannlicher ( Revolving magazine model )

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    Client about to shoot at a leopard with a Weatherby bolt operation rifle , calibrated for .300 Weatherby magnum.
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    Client with Remington's model 700 calibrated for 7 millimeter Remington magnum cartridge , which he used to kill this leopard.
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    Client and his dear wife madame with fully grown Royal Bengal tiger , killed by the client's 9.3 millimeter mauser bolt operation rifle.

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    Client with two rifles : Under lever Winchester rifle calibrated for .348 Winchester cartridge and custom French Brevex mechanism bolt operation rifle , calibrated for .375 Holland and Holland magnum cartridge.
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    Client with .30-06 calibre bolt operation Model 1903 Springfield rifle.
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    Bottom : The same .30-06 Model 1903 Springfield bolt operation rifle .



    The five double barrel rifles used by my clients were so few in number that l can give them detailed description.
    A) .375 Holland and Holland magnum calibre one built by that excellent English firm , Westley Richards. It had 26 inch muzzles , a single trigger and an automatic safety mechanism ( which l am personally not fond of )
    B) A .375 Holland and Holland magnum calibre one built by the English firm , James Purdey . It had 24 inch long barrels , two triggers and no automatic safety mechanism. I consider this set up , to be the gold standard for a double barrel rifle , personally.
    C) The client who owned the above rifle also owned a double barrel rifle built by the firm , Westley Richards . It was calibrated for the .22 High Power cartridge , had 26 inch long barrels , a single trigger , removable locks and an automatic safety mechanism.
    D ) A .400 Nitro Express double barrel rifle built by the English firm , Jeffery .It had 26 inch long muzzles , no automatic safety mechanism and two triggers
    E) The client who owned the above rifle eventually replaced it with a
    .458 Winchester magnum calibre double barrel rifle built by the Royal gun makers , Holland and Holland . It had 26 inch long muzzles , no automatic safety mechanism and two triggers .

    The owners of these double barrel rifles were indeed proficient with their pieces and secured a good deal of Indian wildlife with them .

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    Client with 2000 pound male Gaur shot by his .458 Winchester magnum calibre Holland and Holland double barrel rifle .

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    486 pound Royal Bengal tiger shot by the same client using the same rifle.

    So , which is better ?
    Let us look at the blatant advantage of the bolt operation rifle . You can hold more than two cartridges and ( depending on the calibre ) anywhere up to six cartridges . Infact , my young friend and fellow forum member , Hoss Delgado , in one of our video conversations recently , was proudly showing me a .375 Holland and Holland magnum calibre bolt operation rifle called a Zkk 602 which holds seven cartridges ! For a person culling large quantities of animals at the same time ( such as the African elephant culling carried out in the 1980s decade ) , this quality alone makes the bolt operation rifle requisite and rules the double barrel rifle out of consideration .
    For the purposes of Shikar , however , this is of no consequence . You are typically pursuing one animal at a time and a double barrel rifle here is no disadvantage .
    Another advantage of the bolt operation rifle is that novice clients generally found it easier to shoot accurately with them , than a double barrel rifle . This is not the fault of the weapon , but the practice ( or lack thereof ) of the operator . Take an average American client , for instance ( generally speaking ) . In his own country , he is proficient hunting the game of his country through out the year with bolt operation and under lever rifles. Now , if this gentleman comes to India all of a sudden , with a double barrel rifle , intent on using it to shoot his first Indian animal with it , he will probably not do very well . However , put a bolt operation rifle in this gentleman's hands and see the marvels he can accomplish ( American sportsmen being some of the finest marksmen on Allah / God's green earth ) .
    Why is this , so ?
    One of my favorite English African hunters , the late Captain Frederick Courtney Sealous described it well in one of his books " Sport and Travel " . In a single barrel weapon , it is more convenient for the novice to line the front sight with the back sight for accurate and correct aim. With a double barrel rifle , this requires practice which only the more passionate of shooters are willing to put in , so that they can place the shots from both the barrels accurately .
    Indeed , a Shikari who wants a rifle to accomodate their shooting styles will invariably opt for a bolt operation rifle , while a Shikari who wants a double barrel rifle will alter their shooting styles to accomodate the double barrel rifle and shoot it accurately .

    There is another advantage of the bolt operation rifle , which is not so obvious until one actually thinks it through along with the context . A bolt operation rifle is far less of a " picky eater " of the ammunition which you choose to use in it . A model 70 from Winchester , for instance will (usually ) provide the shooter with accurate results with cartridges from Winchester , ICI Kynoch or Remington or Hornady . This is certainly a massive advantage when you are hunting in regions where you must make do with any ammunition which you can find .
    A double barrel rifle , however ( on account of two barrels ) is more of a " picky eater " of ammunition to provide accurate results . For instance , a double barrel rifle calibrated for .375 Holland and Holland magnum ICI Kynoch cartridges , may not produce accurate results with cartridges from the Winchester firm . I have actually seen this happen .
    In a place like Old India , where imported fire arms and ammunition were ( and are ) so scarce , this can actually be a problem which the bolt operation rifle is better equipped for dealing with . I will give you all one example from personal experience .
    All of our clients used to stay in Darjeeling Circuit House . A client once brought a model 70 from Winchester , calibrated for the .30-06 Springfield cartridge . Unfortunately , he had only brought military surplus pointed head metal envelope 168 grain cartridges which he quickly realized , were not the ticket for Shikar . We knew that another client staying in Darjeeling Circuit House owned a .30-06 calibre Model 1 Garand auto loader rifle and a few boxes of 220 grain Remington Core Lock soft head cartridges . So we arranged for one client to pay the other client some money to get ten .30-06 soft head cartridges from him . And indeed , they worked very well in his model 70 rifle ( he secured a leopard and Chital deer with the rifle ).
    One the other side of the spectrum , the client who brought the .375 Holland and Holland magnum calibre double barrel rifle built by James Purdey , once received permission to kill a man eating Royal Bengal tiger ( which was originally not part of his seasonal Shikar license ) , but realized that he had no more soft head ICI Kynoch cartridges left ( as he had previously expended all of them , thinking that his Shikar season was over for the year ). My late Shikari partner , Karim Chowdhury and l were able to find another client, an American gentleman in Darjeeling Circuit House , who was willing to give our client a half dozen Winchester silver tip cartridges for the .375 Holland and Holland magnum calibre . The client's double barrel rifle , which initially was so accurate with the ICI Kynoch cartridges , had suddenly begun to produce relatively larger groupings with the Winchester silver tip cartridges . In the end our client was forced to use his .375 Holland and Holland magnum calibre metal envelope cartridges from ICI Kynoch , to attempt to dispatch the Royal Bengal tiger . He succeeded by using two shots to the head ( however , that account is the subject of a future article ) . If he were using a bolt operation rifle , then those Winchester silver tip cartridges would easily work .

    However , does this mean that the double barrel rifle , has no virtues whatsoever ? I say , nothing of the sort . The double barrel rifle has it's solid advantages too.
    The first advantage ( assuming that you are using a double barrel rifle with double triggers ) Is that , on account of the two separate barrels and triggers , you can let off the second shot in a split second after the first shot . This is a very massive advantage in those ( admittedly fairly uncommon ) situations where an immediate second shot can decide if you will live or get gored by a charging Gaur or mutilated by a charging leopard or Royal Bengal tiger . You do not have to operate a bolt , unlike a bolt operation rifle to give you the second shot .
    Of course , if you can place the first bullet with correct aim on the animal ( as every ethical Shikari always should aspire to do ) , then this is of no consequence. However , we do not always have fortune favoring us.

    The other advantage of the double barrel rifle ( again , assuming that this is a two trigger model ) , is that you essentially have two separate fire arms on account of the two triggers and two barrels . You are being practically guaranteed the second shot , without needing to rely upon the mechanical properties of the gun .
    Even if the bolt operation rifle can potentially hold more cartridges without needing to re-fill the magazine , a person with a double barrel rifle which has automatic ejectors and who has practiced keeping two spare cartridges between his fingers , can easily fire as many as four shots in a span of four seconds or less . For the purposes of Shikar , is this not adequate ?
    At any rate , an ethical Shikari should aspire to ensure that his aim for the first shot is correctly placed , thereby avoiding the need for any second or third shot any way ( although , fortune does not always shine upon us every day in the same way ) which renders all of these arguments moot , in the first place .

    Indeed , l have seen a few bolt operation rifles jam in the Shikar field in my career .
    I have seen two .458 Winchester magnum calibre model 70 rifles from Winchester fail to extract the expended cartridge , in the Shikar field . However , a good and through cleaning cured both these rifles from any further problems.
    I have also seen two Remington's model 700 rifles ( one in .375 Holland and Holland magnum calibre and the other in .458 Winchester magnum calibre ) which had extracting problems in the Shikar field . Again , however , a good and through cleaning cured these rifles of any such problems .
    I have seen one .458 Winchester magnum calibre Hi Power bolt operation rifle from the firm , Browning which demonstrated a most unusual phenomenon . Upon firing the very first cartridge , the trap door hatch on the under side of the rifle violently swung open and the client's remaining cartridges fell to the ground , effectively disarming him . The only thing which made this situation worse , was that the client and us professional Shikaris now had a very angry , wounded 1900 pound Gaur to deal with . To be fair , however , l always attributed this one , to the excessively high velocity with which the respected client had loaded his hand loaded cartridges .
    During my time , it was common for many American sportsmen to bring .458 Winchester magnum calibre rifles , built on army surplus mauser mechanisms and with changed barrels . Some of these worked flawlessly , while others gave endless feeding problems . I think that l will be forgiven for daring to say this . However , l believe that building a good rifle is more than merely attaching a new barrel and a stock to a salvaged military surplus mauser mechanism . No. The level of work necessary to be done to these rifles to ensure proper functioning , must be of surgical precision .
    In such circumstances where a rifle jammed in the Shikar field , the almost guaranteed second shot from a double barrel rifle could certainly have saved us a great deal of trouble .
    Indeed , my respected fellow forum member , Hoss Delgado showed me an article recently on the internet about a most unfortunate African professional hunter by the name of Ian Gibson . This unfortunate gentleman got crushed to death by a wounded elephant , when his .458 Winchester magnum model 70 from Winchester had a problem , extracting the first expended cartridge. .
    However , thes situations were the exception and not the rule . Generally , all the bolt operation rifles made by Winchester , Remington or Browning were functioning flawless in the Shikar field and served my clients extremely well.
    And , in all probability , modern fire arms manufacturing techniques are infinitely superior to those of the 1960s decade when l was an active Shikari . The chances of a misfire occurring in a quality bolt operation rifle are astronomical today.

    So , which is better ? The humble bolt operation rifle ? Or the traditional double barrel rifle .
    My conclusive view is that neither is better than the other . It all comes down to preference . Personal preference.
    Always use the configuration that you are comfortable with , and the results will amaze you .
    Even in a third world country , such as Bangladesh , a gentleman can fortunately own up to six fire arms legally . In the United States of America, this is enviably much higher.
    So why not have both a decent bolt operation rifle and a decent double barrel rifle in your battery if you can shoot both properly ? We are , after all , given the freedom of choice , are we not ?
    My child hood hero , the great Jim Corbett actually had a battery just like this . He owned both a 7 millimeter mauser bolt operation rifle ( built by the English firm , John Rigby and Co.) and also a .400 Nitro Express calibre double barrel rifle built by the English firm , Jeffery . He used both rifles to devastating effect on man eating leopards and Royal Bengal tigers .
    Based on my professional experience , any where a double barrel rifle can be used , a bolt operation rifle can comfortably be used as well.


    There is , however only ONE single set of circumstances where a double barrel rifle can never be replaced . If one is pursuing a wounded leopard into thick foliage , then a bolt operation rifle is not the tool for the task. Make no mistake. These beasts are so fast , stealthy and cunning in their methods of attack , that you actually NEED that immediate second shot from a double barrel rifle to save your skin . For this task , and this one task alone , a double barrel rifle can never be replaced. For such a task , l would highly recommend a double barrel rifle calibrated for the .375 Holland and Holland magnum Winchester silver tip cartridge . Such a rifle would have two triggers , no automatic safety mechanism and 26 inch long muzzles .
    Other than this , l am perfectly content with a .375 Holland and Holland magnum calibre bolt operation rifle built on a French Brevex mechanism with a weaver telescopic sight along with a good stock of Winchester 300 grain metal envelope blunt head cartridges and 300 grain Winchester silver tip cartridges
    ( Of course , modern cartridges with better consistent rates of controlled expansion are now in existence , and they have pushed the humble Winchester silver tip cartridges of my era , into obsolescence ) .

    I hope that my dear readers have enjoyed this article . Please do not treat my views as authoritarian in any manner . It is not my intention. These are merely my personal perspective on the matter based on my personal experiences. Do my dear readers prefer a bolt operation rifle or a double barrel rifle ?

    It is also beautiful seeing so many American sportsmen ( especially my dear friend and respected forum member , Red Leg ) in modern times have a genuine appreciation for the double barrel rifle .
    I have only ever seen side by side double barrel rifles during my career as a professional Shikari . Today , l see that many excellent over under double barrel rifles exist , as well. I am curious if any of my dear readers owns any such pieces . I hope that they are enjoying theirs ?




    Of course , in my article today , l have not mentioned anything about auto loader rifles or under lever rifles being used for Shikar in old India . Perhaps the subject of a future article ?
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    Our loyal coolie and head gun bearer , Rishi carrying our dear respected client's .243 Winchester calibre under lever rifle made by the American firm , Savage.

    I would also like to apologise to fellow forum member , Mark Hunter. I had promised to write an account concerning the poisonous snakes of old India , however this article was already half complete , so l decided to post this one first .
     
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    Kawshik...........thanks for a great article. Love to read about rifles. Currently own all rifles listed except the 375 Austrian and 400. Evidence of a misspent life, I suppose. Looking forward to your next article on the Hamadryad..............thanks.....FW Bill
     
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    Excellent reading Mr. Rahman. As much as would love to own a double rifle, the cost of them will limit me to magazine rifles. I also find it interesting that W.D.M. Bell said that bolt action are more reliable under heavy use in dirty conditions, the most reliable as his Lee Enfield .303
     
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    Dear mr Rahman,
    An excellent overview of rifles of gone by era, but also with many eternal truths spoken as well!
    Thank you for the time and effort, to share your experiences with us!

    On this:
    Do my dear readers prefer a bolt operation rifle or a double barrel rifle ?

    I can say this:
    if a gentleman wants to shoot legally exportable and representative elephant, in the price range of 60.000 USD, plus minor additional expenses of shipping and other expenses (like taxidermy), easily reaching 100.000 usd plus, and then collecting the rest of big 5, big 7, (including rhino, white or black, or both) then a proper English double would be a perfect choice.

    However, more modest ones who hunt buffalo, cows, tuskless elephants, etc (where budget goes up to 10, 12k usd per hunt) - and when budget is concern, most likely will opt for bolt action, probably being backed up by a double carried by their PH...

    But of course, this is only my way of thinking, there is no rule. In choosing the rifle, its a lot like choosing a wife... or a mistress, very individual and emotional choices involved.

    Personally I tend to lean towards doubles, apart from all handling benefits, emotional reason behind is that they are truly firearms invented, designed and built as hunting weapons.
    While bolt actions have their origins in military roles.

    But, a cheap double is not always well regulated, thus a reputable maker of good quality must be chosen.
    In my theoretic view only brands up from Heym, and Kreighoff, up to the most praised, english doubles such as H&H - to be considered
    And they cost.

    So, to conclude, for my local hunts back at home, where two fast shots matter, I use "poor mans double" in the form of semi-auto 9.3x62, magazine limited to two rounds plus one in chamber, for driven boar hunts. Whilst general purpose rifle remain classic bolt action.

    For Africa, for me, due to budget considerations, good bolt action of appropriate caliber for DG, eventually remain as only option (I am not opting for cheap doubles).
     

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    Thank you so much for your kind words and support. I have been told that there is a more modern 7 millimeter Remington cartridge now which got introduced after the 7 millimeter Remington magnum cartridge .
     
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    This W.D.M Bell gentleman and l can certainly agree on that. The service .303 Lee Enfield bolt operation rifle is a most robust design. In Bangladesh , our Sylhet police force still use the rifle and have 25 such rifles in their inventory . These rifles are from the 1971 war of Independence , and they are still functioning properly .
    Thank you so much for your appreciation , as always . I am most grateful.
     

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    Thank you so much for your kind words and support. I agree with every that you say . Personally , l believe that it was the " picky eater " nature of double barrel rifles which made them lose a little popularity compared to the double barrel rifle. For instance , take my client with the .375 Holland and Holland magnum James Purdey double barrel rifle , as an example. His original rifle was calibrated for ICI Kynoch cartridges . However , when lCI Kynoch cartridges stopped being manufactured , he had to retire the rifle after his existing stock was expended , because he was not getting desirable results with Winchester silver tip cartridges , except at very short distances . A model 70 bolt operation rifle from Winchester , on the other hand used ammunition from ICI Kynoch ( old stock ) , Winchester and Remington with acceptable results .
    Today , with hand loading and custom ammunition loaders having become so prevalent , it is easier to keep these double barrel rifles in action . However , you must still be very particular with how thes cartridges are loaded , to produce accurate results in your double barrel rifles.
     
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    A high quality double does seem like the more costly option, as has been mentioned.

    Has anybody seen a double jam, or otherwise malfunction? Failure to extract or eject might be a possibility.

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    Many doubles and singles are offered with rimless cartridges. I suspect extraction, not to speak about ejection, of rimless cartridges would require careful tuning for reliable operation.
     
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    I have seen a double barrel .400 bore rifle built by the English firm , Jeffery which had a nasty habit of making both barrels discharge , even if you pulled only one trigger.
    The client who owned the .458 Winchester magnum Holland and Holland double barrel rifle used to own this rifle before switching to the aforementioned rifle.
     
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    Perttime, not exactly apples to apples comparison, but I’ve had not a double rifle, but an AYA #2 shotgun fail. Supposedly they are duplicate designs of English double shotguns. The firing pin spring failed. Maybe because of lesser quality metals, but maybe just use. It was built in 1976 as I recall. I sent it off for repair. It has worked fine for the last ten years.
     
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    You are quite welcome. Remington introduced the 7mm Ultra Mag, like others, on the .404 case head. I have not used it. But have used the 7 STW, 7 Dakota, 7 Weatherby. The original big 7's, including the Remington never did much better for me than my old 280 Remington.......but still, I own two of them............those "good deals" that I foolishly purchased...................Bill
     
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    Mr. Rahman,
    Great article once again!
    In my mind the double rifle is not as practical as a magazine rifle for client use mainly speaking as an American that has shot a bolt gun since I was very young. This being said, due to nostalgia and saturating my young mind with everything I could read about hunting Africa I knew I must hunt buffalo with a double rifle or not hunt them. I waited a long time before I got my chance and must say I cherish every single moment of the experience. I will hunt buffalo again, it very well be with my 458 Lott, 505 Gibbs or 416 Rigby though. If ever I get the chance to hunt elephant, the 470 NE will surely be present for the occasion.
    I’m afraid if a man leaves guns at home all the time they get jealous of each other, so they all need to be used if possible.
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    Maker: B. Searcy/USA
    Caliber: 470 Nitro Express
    Loaded with 500 grain Swift A-Frame

    Cheers,
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    Thank you so much for your kind words and support. I do not know which is more beautiful , the excellent rifle or the cape buffalo . I had never heard of the maker B . Searcy before , so l did a search on internet . Why , he is an American gun maker ! I never knew that American gun makers make double barrel rifles and that too , such beautiful ones.
    ( You will forgive me if l sound disrespectful . It is not my intention. It is just that l always used to associate American gun makers with bolt operation rifles and am genuinely pleasantly surprised that so many excellent double barrel rifles are made in the United States of America ). I am of same view as you , Cody. I firmly believe that ( with the exception of pursuing wounded leopards into thick vegetation , where a double barrel is irreplaceable ) , a bolt operation rifle can easily so what a double barrel rifle , can do .
     
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    Bullthrower338 AH ENABLER AH Legend

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    Mr. Rahman,
    We have several DR builders in the US, including our own Forum Member @Bailey Bradshaw who builds a beautiful Rising Block design that is quite intriguing. Search his posts and have a look. He does beautiful work.
     
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    Dude , bolt guns all the way ! :D
    The only guys using Doubles these days are Stewart Granger Wannabees ! :p
     

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    Hoss Delgado
    Young man, some times l genuinely fear that when your book gets published , many reasonable hunters will have the false impression that l must share the same views as you because l contributed to two chapters.
     
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    Red Leg AH ENABLER LIFETIME BRONZE BENEFACTOR AH Legend

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    I keep telling you - write your own book.
     

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    The way many of you gentlemen are encouraging me and have shown support towards me , l think l can do it .
    To be a fair writer of hunting or fire arms , one must keep an open mind. I only hope that l have an an open mind , in my views .
     

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    But Mr. Rahman :(
    Doubles are for snobs and movie hunters ! Take a Double .375 . After two shots , you're dry ! But with a good ZKK-602 in .375 HH Mag , you got 7 rounds to clean the mess ! :D
    No real hunter uses doubles no more !
     
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    I have always preferred bolt action rifle for work on DG, a Brno ZKK602 in 500 Jeff loaded with 570gr bullets. It has always resolved any issues with the greatest of satisfaction.

    The only exception being follow up on wounded leopard for that I prefer either my 12ga sxs "Poor mans double" loaded with Brenneke slugs or 12ga/9.3x74R combination, Brenneke in the 12ga barrel and a decent expanding bullet in the rifle barrel.

    The speed of a leopard attack is mind boggling fast and there is no time to reload a magazine rifle if the first shot does not go true.
     
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