8x68S vs 300 Wea Magnum

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  1. Foxi

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    I would change the trigger by the 8x86 .
    Timney or something else.
    But than ,you are gonna spoil the atmosphere a little bit.

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  2. oscar1975

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    Hello the problem is that if I change the trigger when carrying the safety in the throat of the stock I would have to change the stock. Something that I can not cope with monetarily.
     

  3. oscar1975

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    I can see that 300 Weatherby Magnum generates more speed than the 8x68S with equal points. But the difference is not very significant. I think that the animal that is shot will not notice the difference between one and the other.
     

  4. 8x68

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    True. Personally I kinda like the bigger frontal bullet area .323 vs .308. But again tomato, tomaaato.
     

  5. IvW

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    Speed is but one factor. 8x68S uses a larger diameter bullet, has the ability to fire heavier bullets at more than enough velocity. With the right heavier load it kills quicker than any .300.

    With the same weight rifles a 300 Weatherby, has more recoil energy and more importantly more recoil velocity(the speed at which the rifle comes back after pulling the trigger) than the 8x68S. This is already apparent when the 300 is loaded with 180 gr bullets and the 8x68S with 200 gr bullets. It gets worse when you load the 300 with 200 gr bullets.

    The 8x68S also has the ability to fire 250 gr bullets which makes it more versatile as a allround medium rifle.

    The 300 Weatherby mau well kill them but the 8x68S tends to drop them with much more authority!
     

  6. oscar1975

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    I keep reading forums even German and put 300 timesby better cartridge than 8x68S.
     

  7. IvW

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    You are reading the wrong forums.

    Many people only look at velocity with lighter bullets and not ability to kill with authority when using heavy for caliber bullets.
     

  8. dchamp

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    I think you need to list your criteria of measurement between the cartridges. Also I think people, in your country as well as many other countries, are comparing the two subjectively with very limited criteria to compare. Also, comparing the 8x68s to the .300Wby is like comparing apples to oranges. If you are only comparing speed then yes the 300Wby is faster. But you forget their cases are not near equal in capacity. If you compare the B.C. of their bullets then the .30cal may have an advantage. But if you prefer to look at their frontal area then the larger 8mm is better. Are you looking at kinetic energy or Taylor's K.O. for you comparison?

    If, what is better, is only subjective then it's whatever floats your boat. I guess you need to decide what it is that produces a benefit. If, in your country the .300Wby has surpassed the 8x68s then I would guess it is because of the need for speed some people crave and I wonder how many of those .300Wby's have a muzzle brake on the end of them.
     
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  9. oscar1975

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    You have great reason. For the way to hunt in Spain on animals of maximum weight of 200 kilograms but that if in movement, full of adrenaline, with medium or short distances of shot (rarely exceed 150 meters) the cartridge must be a forceful cartridge, average speed, with a diameter between 7 and 8 millimeters and expansive tip. And for our high mountain hunting where we will throw as much as 350 meters, on calm animals and weighing not more than 150 kilos I think that with a 30-06 or similar we cover all our hunting. Or perhaps a 9.3 × 62 and a 30-06 cover all possible hunting scenarios.
     

  10. oscar1975

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    I'm always thinking about it. I am overwhelmed because I have two very old rifles, the Voere of this thread in 8x68 S and a Santa Barbara in 300 WM that also "present" you in your day. Both have a Mauser 98 type action with passive ejector that I love ... but both have 24 "cannon and I think they are short for cartridges with so much capacity and I am always thinking of selling them and buying a modern rifle in 270 WSM or 300 WSM ... Really ... so much speed and performance lose the 8x68S and the 300 WM in 2 "of length? I would like your opinions. If you kept both rifles one of them would improve it with a good trigger and a fiber stock. Thank you.
     

  11. 8x68

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    The 24" barrel length for the 8x68S & 300WBY will work just fine. Considering the BRNO 602 in 8x68 is 25" you only lose approx 100fps. The Weatherby Vanguard in 300WBY series has a 24" barrel (I have both calibres myself). Again you only lose about 100fps. I think you should keep what you have. Not a fan of the newer WSM or WSSM calibres. If you wanted a shorter "standard" action then I can understand your thought process, but I would choose calibres along the lines of a 270, 7x57, 7x64 etc. Upgrading the trigger and stock may make things more comfortable for you but won't have much effect on velocity. May possibly improve accuracy.
     
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  12. oscar1975

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    Thank you very much for your reply. I had a Vanguard in 300 Weatherby that I sold in part for mounting a 24 "cannon and that is because my thought was that I lost great benefits with such a short tube, I want to keep these rifles and have the certainty that I will take advantage of both cartridges and not I will have two cartridges limited in their benefits for carrying short cannons.
     

  13. Gert Odendaal

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    I would suggest you look at these two rifles in the comparison criteria of which one will you be shooting the most accurate without flinching when shooting them at their maximum safe reloading loads with the heaviest bullet you can hunt with. I will be surprise if you will be able to shoot a .300 Weatherby hunting rifle at its maximum reloading loads with the heaviest bullets without flinching and getting poor target shooting results and poor shot placement at game...This is where the real difference lays between the two calibers you want to compare. It is nothing to shoot a heavy recoil rifle once or twice...it matters when you have to shoot a heavy recoil rifle more than frequently in a stressed environment like a hunting environment...
    The 8x68S comes into it`s own league when heavy for caliber bullets like a 250 gn bullets is shot. This is where the .30 calibers runs out of stamina..they are able to shoot 180-200 gn bullets .....the 8x68S thrives on shooting a 250 gn bullet...I will even be so bolt as to suggest I will get excellent results with a 300 gn bullet in a 1:10 twist rate of a 8x68S caliber rifle ...:A Banana:
     
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  14. oscar1975

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    Thanks for your reply. Surely the 8x68S is a great option for the great African antelopes.
     

  15. Craig Willey

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    Find someone/a couple of people that have both calibers and test fire them. A friend has a 300 WeaMag, and the recoil is very high; he got a brake put on it. If someone is recoil sensitive, after buying a 300WeaMag is a bad time to find out. I hunt with a 300WM in Germany (largest game about 150 kg Rotwild), and will prefer 300WM over 8x68S because of ammunition availability and cost. 8x68S costs about 20 Euros per box more than 300WM. When you look online at Frankonia.de, there are 8 different loads of ammo for 8x68S, vs 50 different loads for the 300WM. For 300WM vs 8x68S, the recoil is about the same with 200 gr bullet, and as most people said before, the game animal will not know the difference. People are more likely to make a more accurate first shot, and it is easier to make follow up shots with 300WM because of lower recoil than 300WeaMag.
     
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    Not quite the same comparison but my first three African PG safaris I used a 300 Wby and a 340 Wby. Alternating each day, the day I took my first Eland had the 300 and was using 200 gr Swift A frames. Got the job done nicely. Did see a difference in the killing effect of the 300 vs the 340. Used 250 gr Noslers in the 340. Both rifles have 24” barrels. Over the 3 trips took about all the general plains game you could think of nd in many cases more then one of the same.
    Doubt there is much difference between your 8mm and the 340.
    Keep what you have [old freinds] and spend a little money on having a good gunsmith go over them. Unless you do not like what you have and really are looking for a new rifle. [who isn’t]. The animals will never know, if hit right, that you are ONLY shooting a 24” barrel.
     

  17. oscar1975

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    Hello, thank you very much for your answers. I will tell you that the rifle is a Voere model 2165. At first they mounted a 65 cm cannon, I do not know why the one I purchased is only 61 cms. Have a good weekend
     

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    Have 2 8x68s 250gr woodleight rounds are devastating .... on Wildebeest and up ......about 2600 fps I switch between it and the 318wr ...the only advantage of the WR is good solids ....handy for Giraffe and at a pinch defence against buff ......

    I also own the 8mm rem mag but prefer the 8x68s
     
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  19. oscar1975

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    The 8x68S is somewhat less powerful than the 8 Remington Magnum but it is still a great cartridge. Thanks for your reply.
     

  20. lwaters

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    Hornady is now loading a round called 300 PRC. It is the 375 Ruger neck down to thirty. They list the 212 grain bullet at 2900fps and a 225 at 2800. May be an interesting round.
     

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