California mountain lion attacks child

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Emergency crews responded to Whiting Ranch Wilderness Park in Lake Forest, California, Monday afternoon for a reported mountain lion attack on a 3-year-old child.

The child suffered injuries to the neck as a result of the attack, according to the Orange County Fire Authority who said the family of six was walking in the park with the 3-year-old in front of his father when the feline came out of nowhere and grabbed the child by the neck.

The father threw a backpack at the mountain lion, at which point the animal dropped the child in lieu of the backpack and jumped up a tree, the Orange County Fire Authority said.

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The child was taken to a local hospital and is said to be in stable condition.

The incident occurred at about 4:13 p.m. on Portola Parkway.

The park has been evacuated and park officials are monitoring the mountain lion in the tree.

California Fish and Game officials responded to the scene. At about 5:30 p.m., officials on scene confirmed the mountain lion had been killed.

https://www.foxla.com/news/mountain-lion-attacks-3-year-old-child
 
Another by product of California protecting pumas. This type thing will continue until the cat population is reduced.
 
crs,

I don't know what the cougar population is in California, but another thing to consider is the amount of the big cats habitat and prey has been destroyed and chased off by all the fires over the last couple of years.

Before these cats habitat and food sources recover enough for these animals to back into the mountains, I'd say, more cat-human encounters and missing domestic animals are in store. Especially during their respective mating and birthing seasons.
 
Fred Gunner said:
Emergency crews responded to Whiting Ranch Wilderness Park in Lake Forest, California, Monday afternoon for a reported mountain lion attack on a 3-year-old child.

The child suffered injuries to the neck as a result of the attack, according to the Orange County Fire Authority who said the family of six was walking in the park with the 3-year-old in front of his father when the feline came out of nowhere and grabbed the child by the neck.

The father threw a backpack at the mountain lion, at which point the animal dropped the child in lieu of the backpack and jumped up a tree, the Orange County Fire Authority said.

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The child was taken to a local hospital and is said to be in stable condition.

The incident occurred at about 4:13 p.m. on Portola Parkway.

The park has been evacuated and park officials are monitoring the mountain lion in the tree.

California Fish and Game officials responded to the scene. At about 5:30 p.m., officials on scene confirmed the mountain lion had been killed.

https://www.foxla.com/news/mountain-lion-attacks-3-year-old-child
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No surprise at all. You stupid CA you reap what you sow! No hunting then the big predators have no fear and hunt you! Protect children not animals!
 
Philip Glass said:
No surprise at all. You stupid CA you reap what you sow! No hunting then the big predators have no fear and hunt you! Protect children not animals!
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All the large Western US states only have several thousand mountain lions left. And yes California outlawed hunting them several decades ago. However mountain lions aren't at all like tigers or the big cats of Africa. They're solitary hunters that are extremely risk adverse. Basically true scaredy cats. They are also extremely secretive. They hang out in thick forest and steep canyons. 99.9% of the time humans within 50 meters of one will not know it's there. The exception is a descent dog will alert you to their presence almost always. California restricting dogs in the area of this attack and so much of the State poses are far greater risk to people than the lack of hunting. I've ran into mountain lions that I know of around 80 times. It was always my dog that alerted me. While small dogs will only rarely scare off a mountain lions (and like large rodents may be seen as food), a descent dog not tied up can always put one on the run if necessary. My favorite remote canyon in Utah for fly fishing had a mountain lion in that range. We'd encounter it 10-12 times a year. It only came down the canyon once after my dogs and I shared a smoked salmon snack. The dogs are constantly in and out of the 10 C water for hours and need the energy. My 26 kg lab/dalmation/bull terrier mix smelt it coming down. She immediately charged it stomping her feet and barking at 100 plus decibels. As soon as she got into thick forest 10 meters up the canyon slope she stopped. She understood that the scaredy cat was long gone. After that she always gave a rather friendly growl when ever she smelt the mountain lion 200-300 meters up on the canyon rim. I named the cat after her- calling it Molly's Pet Kitty as she pretty much trained it not to bother with us. Yes we very frequently had that smoke salmon with the cat above because there was zero chance it was coming down again. My wife once happened to stop while mountain biking within 10 meters of a mountain lion. Again Molly had no trouble scaring that cat off per my wife's report. Molly remains an exceptional guard dog. Absolute fearless, pain insensitive and has an outsized bone crushing bite far beyond her pedigree. No dog less than twice her size would dare cross her. She is easily dominant over Rhodesian Ridgebacks, German Shepherds and Bull Terriers. However the reality is any real dog of descent size (20 kg is more than enough) and reasonable confidence is also quite capable of scaring off these extremely timid cats. Unlike dogs that can sense messing with Molly might result in a single fatal bite, mountain lions aren't outmatched with bite strength from any dog. Genetics have selected mountain lions to be extremely timid. As a solitary hunter any significant injury or infection from a bite is almost always going to result in starving to death.
 
Wow Pablo, since you know the status of these creatures, I guess we should put these mountain lions into the endangered species protection act. While we are at it, let's issue a dog to everyone who ventures into these parks. Better yet, let's have a dog rental program for those who do not want a dog, but want the protection. Get real.
 
Mountain lions are a tricky species to manage. Because they are solitary, they don't really "learn" - killing one does nothing to educate the others about fearing humans. @Pablolibre is correct about another thing as well: they are truly "scaredy cats" - an adult can typically scare them away by chasing them and hitting them if they are dragging another animal or a child, and they will drop what they are dragging and run off.

Having said that, they must still be managed, like all other wildlife in North America. Sometimes management means leaving the animals alone, while at other times, it means population management. When I grew up in Alberta, we not only never saw cougars, we only very rarely heard about cougars. There simply weren't very many of them, and human encounters were exceedingly rare. Hunting was banned due to the low numbers. Today, as many will know, we have so many cougars that human encounters are relatively common, and in fact - though rare - some have resulted in human death. As a result, cougar management areas have been created and annual hunting quotas have been established, which may include either or both males and females. The primary goal is to reduce human-cougar interactions by reducing the overall number of cougars without jeopardizing the sustainability of the local populations, while also creating economic opportunities for rural people, who live with these animals on a daily basis. Overall, while our system isn't perfect, it's science based and I'd say it works reasonably well.

If you want to see examples of wildlife management that is not science, but rather emotion based, you need look no further than California of course, but we can also include British Columbia which recently banned grizzly hunting because it offended urban tree-huggers. In both cases, the results are as expected. Interactions with humans have increased, and as that has happened, animals have been killed, or not, seemingly haphazardly.

I accept (because I don't know any better and haven't done the research), as Pablo suggests, that the Western States have only a few thousand cougars. But if that's true, I'd suggest those states follow Alberta's lead and manage them as we have. Soon enough they will have both regular hunting seasons and thriving local populations. Seems like a win-win.

One last point. Though my posts are rarely free of typos, I can't help but point out that descent and decent are two different words with very different meanings.
 
We are not allowed to hunt mountain lions in CA, therefore victims get what is coming to them? Wow

Mountain lion attacks are rare but occur in all states with a healthy population of them. We are out and about in their territory. It is a risk everyone who lives with them takes.
 
Pablolibre said:
All the large Western US states only have several thousand mountain lions left. And yes California outlawed hunting them several decades ago. However mountain lions aren't at all like tigers or the big cats of Africa. They're solitary hunters that are extremely risk adverse. Basically true scaredy cats. They are also extremely secretive. They hang out in thick forest and steep canyons. 99.9% of the time humans within 50 meters of one will not know it's there. The exception is a descent dog will alert you to their presence almost always. California restricting dogs in the area of this attack and so much of the State poses are far greater risk to people than the lack of hunting. I've ran into mountain lions that I know of around 80 times. It was always my dog that alerted me. While small dogs will only rarely scare off a mountain lions (and like large rodents may be seen as food), a descent dog not tied up can always put one on the run if necessary. My favorite remote canyon in Utah for fly fishing had a mountain lion in that range. We'd encounter it 10-12 times a year. It only came down the canyon once after my dogs and I shared a smoked salmon snack. The dogs are constantly in and out of the 10 C water for hours and need the energy. My 26 kg lab/dalmation/bull terrier mix smelt it coming down. She immediately charged it stomping her feet and barking at 100 plus decibels. As soon as she got into thick forest 10 meters up the canyon slope she stopped. She understood that the scaredy cat was long gone. After that she always gave a rather friendly growl when ever she smelt the mountain lion 200-300 meters up on the canyon rim. I named the cat after her- calling it Molly's Pet Kitty as she pretty much trained it not to bother with us. Yes we very frequently had that smoke salmon with the cat above because there was zero chance it was coming down again. My wife once happened to stop while mountain biking within 10 meters of a mountain lion. Again Molly had no trouble scaring that cat off per my wife's report. Molly remains an exceptional guard dog. Absolute fearless, pain insensitive and has an outsized bone crushing bite far beyond her pedigree. No dog less than twice her size would dare cross her. She is easily dominant over Rhodesian Ridgebacks, German Shepherds and Bull Terriers. However the reality is any real dog of descent size (20 kg is more than enough) and reasonable confidence is also quite capable of scaring off these extremely timid cats. Unlike dogs that can sense messing with Molly might result in a single fatal bite, mountain lions aren't outmatched with bite strength from any dog. Genetics have selected mountain lions to be extremely timid. As a solitary hunter any significant injury or infection from a bite is almost always going to result in starving to death.
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Complete nonsense. Mountain Lions are everywhere and certainly at the highest population ever in Texas. Security cameras and trail cams capturing pics of 5 lions at a time! Just saw another pic of 5 on FB today.
I question who you actually are here in AH.
Philip
 
Where there is no hunting there are more stories of lion attacks. This is an undeniable fact. Some real nuts on here today
 
I personally agree with Crs and Mr. Phillip Glass. As a retired professional shikaree , l can attest that the portion of man eating royal Bengal tigers and panthers in India has grotesquely risen ever since India banned hunting in 1972 . Their numbers need to be reduced to more manageable amounts. California should legalize their hunting again . I always hated these " friends of the animals " types. However , if people are now really starting to prioritize wild animals ( and very vicious 1s at that ) over innocent CHILDREN , then l question what this world has come to. Wild animals are not what Walt Disney shows them to be. This is just how l feel on the matter.
My prayers for the poor child.
 
Pablolibre said:
All the large Western US states only have several thousand mountain lions left.
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That statement is one of the largest piles of Bovine Excrement I’ve seen in quite some time. Last estimate I saw showed Oregon had 6,400 in 2017, be more now. Not sure what your agenda is, although I can probably guess, but they are not at all scarce or endangered.

The rest of your post has more BE and some actual facts. But I’m not going to concern myself with sorting through that after your opening fallacy. If you are not a Troll, and seriously think only several thousand are left in the west, please educate yourself with 5 minutes on Google.
 
Im sure we have several thousand here in wyo we hunt about 7-8hundred a year on a quota basis most of our cat pop is in the black hills where we have a larger pop of white tail deer most of the quotas are basede on the previous damage reports I have some awesome trail cam pictures from around water holes where they hunt deer.
 
Major Khan said:
However , if people are now really starting to prioritize wild animals ( and very vicious 1s at that ) over innocent CHILDREN , then l question what this world has come to. Wild animals are not what Walt Disney shows them to be. This is just how l feel on the matter.
My prayers for the poor child.
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Bullseye, Major.

In California, that cat almost has more rights than I do. I understand the arguments regarding mountain lion habitat. But at this point, there are so many people, and so many cats, in this state that crossing paths is almost impossible to avoid. I live in the central, San Joaquin Valley and a couple years ago we had two of them in my area. Flat land and well populated, a two hour drive, or more, away from mountains. I’m really surprised this hasn’t happened more often.

But if that isn’t enough for you, some in this state want to release brown bear along the coast as they did wolves in Yellowstone. I say, “Why not?” That’s where all the green, anti gunners live. Let them learn the hard way that these animals aren’t soft & cuddly like a Disney cartoon.
 
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1dirthawker said:
should be monitoring the carcass of the lion underneath the tree!
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That involves common sense. But we’re outnumbered by the earth worshippers that think the death of one mountain lion means the death of the species. (Okay, a slight exaggeration. But I’m surrounded by this brand of crazy.)
 
Pablolibre said:
All the large Western US states only have several thousand mountain lions left. And yes California outlawed hunting them several decades ago. However mountain lions aren't at all like tigers or the big cats of Africa. They're solitary hunters that are extremely risk adverse. Basically true scaredy cats. They are also extremely secretive. They hang out in thick forest and steep canyons. 99.9% of the time humans within 50 meters of one will not know it's there. The exception is a descent dog will alert you to their presence almost always. California restricting dogs in the area of this attack and so much of the State poses are far greater risk to people than the lack of hunting. I've ran into mountain lions that I know of around 80 times. It was always my dog that alerted me. While small dogs will only rarely scare off a mountain lions (and like large rodents may be seen as food), a descent dog not tied up can always put one on the run if necessary. My favorite remote canyon in Utah for fly fishing had a mountain lion in that range. We'd encounter it 10-12 times a year. It only came down the canyon once after my dogs and I shared a smoked salmon snack. The dogs are constantly in and out of the 10 C water for hours and need the energy. My 26 kg lab/dalmation/bull terrier mix smelt it coming down. She immediately charged it stomping her feet and barking at 100 plus decibels. As soon as she got into thick forest 10 meters up the canyon slope she stopped. She understood that the scaredy cat was long gone. After that she always gave a rather friendly growl when ever she smelt the mountain lion 200-300 meters up on the canyon rim. I named the cat after her- calling it Molly's Pet Kitty as she pretty much trained it not to bother with us. Yes we very frequently had that smoke salmon with the cat above because there was zero chance it was coming down again. My wife once happened to stop while mountain biking within 10 meters of a mountain lion. Again Molly had no trouble scaring that cat off per my wife's report. Molly remains an exceptional guard dog. Absolute fearless, pain insensitive and has an outsized bone crushing bite far beyond her pedigree. No dog less than twice her size would dare cross her. She is easily dominant over Rhodesian Ridgebacks, German Shepherds and Bull Terriers. However the reality is any real dog of descent size (20 kg is more than enough) and reasonable confidence is also quite capable of scaring off these extremely timid cats. Unlike dogs that can sense messing with Molly might result in a single fatal bite, mountain lions aren't outmatched with bite strength from any dog. Genetics have selected mountain lions to be extremely timid. As a solitary hunter any significant injury or infection from a bite is almost always going to result in starving to death.
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Hey Troll,

Funny how you are a new member with only one post and then disappear??

As for dogs always scaring off mountain lions, what a joke. There are dozens of dogs killed in Colorado every year by mountain lions.
 
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