Don’t forget the terms “workspace”, “punch that gun out”, and “retention”. Also a sharp snap of the wrist to fling your empty magazine into the adjoining bay as you quickly move your head side to side to fast to actually look for any threats.
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The Cannon Myth: Why I'd Rather Hit Than Bruise
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Flipper Dude
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I am so uncool, I had to look that one up.
I’ve shot critters in Mozambique, but apparently that didn’t count.
Thanks, 99 grains out of my 470 gives me good regulation.
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My .380 Seecamp is THE most offensive firearm of any to shoot that I own. Shooting my .416 from the prone position is much more enjoyable.Ah, but the .32 ACP recoil is fierce in those mini guns. You better hang on firm to the Seecamp, and it is only a one-finger grip
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Guys, SEECAMP is the crème de la crème! Drop whatever you’re using, no matter what it is, and switch to the cream of the crop. Please, no arguments. I will entertain no dissent!But comparatively weak caliber and snappy recoil is a price I am very happy to pay because the thing is so small and light that I actually carry it... without advertising it to anyone in sight...
And the .32 in the defensive pistol you actually carry, sure beats the 9 (never mind the .45) in the defensive pistol you leave at home or in the truck half of the time because it is too big or too heavy
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Note: size and absolute discretion are probably less an issue nowadays after decades of favorable right-to-carry evolution, but I remember Connecticut in the 2000's when you could get arrested for "brandishing" or "unlawful display" because someone saw something under your jacket when you pulled your BlackBerry from its belt clip or your wallet from your jacket interior chest pocket.
cwpayton
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Should I carry a seecamp .32 as a last defense against the cape buffalo , since I'm only using the 375 H+H . HOPING TO LIVE TO HUNT ANOTHER DAYGuys, SEECAMP is the crème de la crème! Drop whatever you’re using, no matter what it is, and switch to the cream of the crop. Please, no arguments. I will entertain no dissent!
I'd suggest something a little bigger for last defense. Those two are basically the same thing.
Absolutely! The .375 is Plan A, the Seecamp is Plan B, and Plan C is running faster than my PH. I’ve already checked out his shoes.
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Speaking of proper Tap/Tug mag insertions, here's another example of a cop who did not.
His unseated mag fell out during a gunfight.
No excuse for that.
Hunter-Habib
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@SStomcat
This is the Cape buffalo I shot in Mozambique with my 7x57mm Mauser Churchill Gun Makers Model Deluxe. Ammunition used was 1949 made DWM 173Gr round nosed steel jacketed FMJ solids. He took a single shot to the heart-lung region behind the shoulder. Even though I got one lung & the heart… he still went 400 yards.
Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should…
I only did it out of compulsion, because the original rifle which I was supposed to use (the camp’s loaner .404 Jeffery Mauser Sporter Type A; a most beautiful rifle) came with some very unreliable Berdan primed Kynoch ammunition which was hang firing on test shots.
This was the smallest caliber I ever employed on Cape buffalo (to date). And I have no intention of ever repeating it. Although I'd someday love to take one with a .318 Westley Richards (where legal) if possible. Just because...
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Golam Saheb - Salaam!
"Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should…" love this.
This is another good example of why shot placement trumps so many other considerations, or at the very least, belongs right at the top of the heap.
You make some valid points, when the situation could be much worse, misfires etc to choose something that is proven and you have utter faith in.
DWM makes good bullets unfortunately they are not available this side of the pond.
My first dagga boy hunt is booked for next year. For that, I’ve chosen to take my .470 Nitro Express. I feel it’s the best gun in my arsenal for this particular hunt, having also discussed it with my PH and considered the terrain. I’ll be loading Woodleigh RNSNs, a load I’ve almost got dialled in, despite having several other loads worked up with A-Frames, Barnes and North Fork softs.
For PG- Blue Wildebeast, and few spread of animals, and Baboon for fun my PH recommended my 338 Win MAg loaded with both 225 grains TTSX and 225 Grain AF.
You know what, Golam Saheb, there’s something I’ve often wondered about. Sometimes, those who have hunted Africa tend to look at those who haven’t as novices, or assume they have little to offer on the subject. Yet, hunting traditions and experiences in other parts of the world can be quite different, and there’s a great deal to learn from them too. What works in one setting may not always translate directly to another.
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.470NE..a wise decision..
A buddy of mine once shot and killed a buffalo with a .308win. He smashed the spine, a one shot kill.
But it does not make the .308win. a smart choice either..
Thousands of buff were shot for meat in Africa, 7x57, .303, etc. But how many were lost..?
A buddy of mine once shot and killed a buffalo with a .308win. He smashed the spine, a one shot kill.
But it does not make the .308win. a smart choice either..
Thousands of buff were shot for meat in Africa, 7x57, .303, etc. But how many were lost..?
Hunter-Habib
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Not at all. I personally think that we old timers should always be encouraging towards you beginners. You are our future, after all. And we all had a first time.Golam Saheb - Salaam!
"Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should…" love this.
This is another good example of why shot placement trumps so many other considerations, or at the very least, belongs right at the top of the heap.
You make some valid points, when the situation could be much worse, misfires etc to choose something that is proven and you have utter faith in.
DWM makes good bullets unfortunately they are not available this side of the pond.
My first dagga boy hunt is booked for next year. For that, I’ve chosen to take my .470 Nitro Express. I feel it’s the best gun in my arsenal for this particular hunt, having also discussed it with my PH and considered the terrain. I’ll be loading Woodleigh RNSNs, a load I’ve almost got dialled in, despite having several other loads worked up with A-Frames, Barnes and North Fork softs.
For PG- Blue Wildebeast, and few spread of animals, and Baboon for fun my PH recommended my 338 Win MAg loaded with both 225 grains TTSX and 225 Grain AF.
You know what, Golam Saheb, there’s something I’ve often wondered about. Sometimes, those who have hunted Africa tend to look at those who haven’t as novices, or assume they have little to offer on the subject. Yet, hunting traditions and experiences in other parts of the world can be quite different, and there’s a great deal to learn from them too. What works in one setting may not always translate directly to another.
I think that your .470 Nitro Express and .338 Winchester Magnum will make for a most formidable battery in your Safari. Although I would personally go for 250Gr Swift A Frames in the .338 Winchester Magnum. And 500Gr Swift A Frames in the .470 Nitro Express. Still, I can't fault your choices, at all.
DWM unfortunately closed down in 1969. But German factory ammunition is quite possibly the most reliable ammunition in the entire world, in my humble experience. They have abnormally long shelf lives.
mark-hunter
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Set up is fine, I would just reccomend to add some type of scope, or red dot on that rifle.
We are not in our twenties, we read with glasses, and situation may require to pass accurate shot between the branches, under a shade of a tree.
That job in our age can be done with glass only
Thank you, Golam Saheb! That’s a very gracious way of looking at it, and I couldn’t agree more. We were all beginners once, and a little encouragement and sharing of experience go a long way.
I appreciate your thoughts on the battery, too. The 250-grain A-Frames in the .338 Win Mag are certainly worth considering, and I can see the appeal of the 500-grain A-Frames in the .470 NE. I’ve spent quite a bit of time working up loads, but ultimately, I want to go with what shoots consistently and what I have complete confidence in when it matters.
And thank you for the information on DWM. It’s a shame that a company with such a legacy is no longer around. Your observation about the longevity and reliability of German ammunition is particularly interesting. There’s something reassuring about ammunition that has stood the test of time. I confused DWM with RWS which is another excellent German ammo. Shame it is not available here as well.
I’m still learning, and I’m happy to listen to those who have been there and done it. Hopefully, next year’s dagga boy will give me a few stories of my own to share!
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Not that my opinion is worth much, and is probably a bit biased, but I think you made a great choice! For my last 3 DG/PG hunts in Africa I took a double (450/400 on the 1st 2 of the 3 and my 500 NE on the last one a few months back) and my 338 Win Mag. And while 250 grainers have a bit more sectional density, the 225 grainers will be more than sufficient for your PG animals. As @Hunter-Habib indicated, I too prefer the AF's to the Woodleigh's but if the Woodleigh's shoot well in your double and you have confidence with them then go for it. No buffalo will survive a well placed shot from a 470 NE using Woodleigh RNSNsGolam Saheb - Salaam!
"Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should…" love this.
This is another good example of why shot placement trumps so many other considerations, or at the very least, belongs right at the top of the heap.
You make some valid points, when the situation could be much worse, misfires etc to choose something that is proven and you have utter faith in.
DWM makes good bullets unfortunately they are not available this side of the pond.
My first dagga boy hunt is booked for next year. For that, I’ve chosen to take my .470 Nitro Express. I feel it’s the best gun in my arsenal for this particular hunt, having also discussed it with my PH and considered the terrain. I’ll be loading Woodleigh RNSNs, a load I’ve almost got dialled in, despite having several other loads worked up with A-Frames, Barnes and North Fork softs.
For PG- Blue Wildebeast, and few spread of animals, and Baboon for fun my PH recommended my 338 Win MAg loaded with both 225 grains TTSX and 225 Grain AF.
You know what, Golam Saheb, there’s something I’ve often wondered about. Sometimes, those who have hunted Africa tend to look at those who haven’t as novices, or assume they have little to offer on the subject. Yet, hunting traditions and experiences in other parts of the world can be quite different, and there’s a great deal to learn from them too. What works in one setting may not always translate directly to another.
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Cannot agree with your glowing assessment of German ammo. I have a couple boxes of RWS 404J brass that are pretty much useless scrap metal. All cases are too short and rim thickness very inconsistent. Both deficiencies make for problematic reloading.
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Ontario Hunter
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Well, I presume RWS uses the same crappy brass in their factory loads. This brass came to me with my dies. May have originally been from factory loads. Anyway, rim thickness is not something that changes during normal use. Different rim thicknesses = poor quality control. It's an important issue since most of us want a DGR that will reliably snap over in critical situations. If rim thickness is wonky, a beltless cartridge with gently sloping shoulder can get stuck in the chamber if dropped in an open action, especially if the case is too short (= potentially pushing the shoulder back too far when sizing and crimping bullets).
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Grumpy gumpy
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As said before, I have several different RWS loaded 404, left over from boxes of factory ammo, all much the same length and rims are all much the same, any failures to reload properly or chamber look like user error more than anything else. I use mostly Bertram brass with either woodleigh or Bertram projectiles now as I got a good deal from an Australian forum member on brass
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