450 RIGBY ammo

@375Fox Any insight as to why that is?

Everyone that owns one raves about it and I understand limited runs for niche calibers like .416Ruger, .275Rigby head stamp and even .257Roberts. For the life of me though I can’t ever remember .450Rigby being see in stock.
I think your guess would be good as mine. I would suspect limited rifles ever sold combined with most that have are reloading and not shooting a high volume, so that brass lasts a long time. It wasn’t that long ago (maybe 2023) Norma PH ammo was on close out at $60/box and Nosler ammo was on close out at $79/box. I wish I had bought more (particularly the 550 gr woodleigh softs). When Hornady stops making a cartridge or brass, I think that’s nail in coffin for a cartridge.
 
You have to remember there was a time when the early failures of the 458 Winchester were still fresh in everyone's mind, and rifle builders, ammo makers, gun writers and PH's were all looking for a solution. Ammunition for many of the older Nitro Express and British bolt action cartridges was drying up, and many were casting about for suitable replacements.

In 1970, the 416 Rigby and 505 Gibbs were on their last legs, rifles and ammo for the 470 and 500 NE were almost non existent in North America and the future didn't look bright for them ever returning.

Weatherby magnums were well known, but the expensive, flashy rifles and excessive recoil turned most shooters off to them immediately. Add to that the bullets of the time performed poorly at the velocity the Weatherbys were loaded to and sales were modest at best.

Then enter Paul Roberts who had purchased Rigby, Kenny Jarrett, Dakota rifles and others, who took the 416 Rigby case, and necked it to hold .458 bullets. All of them had the same idea all at the same time. A moderately large case smaller than the NE cartridges, but larger than a standard belted magnum, that could be chambered in a true Magnum Mauser sized action, and push a 500 grain .458 dia bullet to 2400fps with moderate pressure.

If you set the 460 Wby, 450 Dakota and 450 Rigby side by side, they are almost identical with the exception of the magnum belt on the Weatherby. Case taper, shoulder angle and pressure level are what separate them, but the designer had the same goal in mind with each of them. When so many people perceived the same need, and came up with almost the same answer, that should tell you something.

The 450 Rigby may fade as factory produced ammo for a while, but will maintain a loyal following among PH'S and hunters that want more stomp than the 416's, or the 458 Win.

Park West, Jerrett, Rigby and dozens of others produce rifles in 450 Rigby even now. Do you think they build rifles with the thought that they could never be supplied with ammunition?

I know there are rifle builders that are sitting on piles of fresh Norma brass in 450 Rigby, but will only sell it paired with a customer ordered rifle. When that supply is exhausted, and those companies along with owners of 450 rifles demand brass and ammo, someone will produce it. Someone always does.
 
Hello all, is it to hard to find 450 Rigby ammo, I googled few well known manufacturer like Hornady, Federal, Barnes, Swift no luck. there is a manufacturer like grizzly that I nevere heard of and they are out of stock. Before it is to late shall I switch to buy 404 Rigby rifle. since having a gun in the safe and not having luck to buy ammo is not fun.
Thanks
I only know of Norma, but they haven’t made any ammunition in this caliber since the Chinese Virus outbreak in 2020.

Hendershots
Superior
John LaSala
Peddleton

These are custom loaders who will be more than happy to load you up a batch. Out of these three, John LaSala is the best with Hendershots coming a close second.
 
If you set the 460 Wby, 450 Dakota and 450 Rigby side by side, they are almost identical with the exception of the magnum belt on the Weatherby. Case taper, shoulder angle and pressure level are what separate them, but the designer had the same goal in mind with each of them. When so many people perceived the same need, and came up with almost the same answer, that should tell you something.
Nice write-up @skydiver386 and hopefully we see more industry investment in both the .450 Rigby and .450 Dakota. The .460 Weatherby was years ahead of both Rigby and Dakota. Roy brought the .460 out in the 1950’s while Rigby and Dakota were introduced in the 1990’s. Like Weatherby the Dakota was proprietary. Roy had the insight and passion and commitment to invest in Weatherby factory ammunition and components. When Don Allen passed on his company was sold. Rigby on the other hand has made no effort to support .450 Rigby owners by investing in Rigby factory ammunition and reloading brass. Hence Rigby does not believe the market is strong enough to support financial commitment in Rigby namesake ammo. Weatherby does, and that’s the difference.
 
Nice write-up @skydiver386 and hopefully we see more industry investment in both the .450 Rigby and .450 Dakota. Like Weatherby the Dakota was proprietary. Roy had the insight and passion and commitment to invest in Weatherby factory ammunition and components. Rigby does not believe the market is strong enough to support financial commitment in Rigby namesake ammo. Weatherby does, and that’s the difference.

Proprietary is the financial key to this puzzle. Weatherby brass with its double radius shoulder isn't easy to manufacture. Being proprietary to Weatherby, they would have at least some control over the market for ammo and reloading brass. With that, customers had assurance that Weatherby would offer ammo for their Weatherby rifles for some time to come.

Rigby is owned by German L&O Group which also owns SIG Sauer which in turn produces ammunition. This doesn't seem so hard from my customer point of view. Financially for German L&O Group it may not have enough profit margin.
 
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This has been discussed on several other threads. I happen to really like the 450 Rigby and the rifles chambered for it like the Rigby PH, Sako 85 XL, Dakota/Parkwest and custom CZ 550 rifles. @skydiver386 is an expert on the 450 Rigby and had educated us all, I feel his passion for this cartridge.

The 450 Rigby was manufactured by a variety of ammo companies at one point but no longer, all have discontinued manufacturing except for one company, Grizzly Cartidge. IMO, this points to early signs of death. When a company no longer produces a cartridge it is dead. It would be great if Norma tooled back up and others, but I see this as a strictly reloading or custom loading company like Hendershot’s proposition for the future.

@Schüler Jumbo has made me see the light! If I wanted to upgrade in power level from my 458 Lott, I would have Parkwest build me an SD-76 Dark Continent in 460 Weatherby Magnum and download to 450 Rigby velocity levels.
 
Rigby is owned by German L&O Group which also owns SIG Sauer which in turn produces ammunition. This doesn't seem so hard from my customer point of view. Financially for German L&O Group iy may not have enough profit margin.
…….and there you have it. Weatherby demonstrates loyalty to Weatherby owners; corporate Rigby has no loyalty to Rigby owners. Riflemen see their equipment as “personal” and have passion for their preferred brand. The corporate world looks at margins and only sees a “commodity”……….
 
You have to remember there was a time when the early failures of the 458 Winchester were still fresh in everyone's mind, and rifle builders, ammo makers, gun writers and PH's were all looking for a solution. Ammunition for many of the older Nitro Express and British bolt action cartridges was drying up, and many were casting about for suitable replacements.

In 1970, the 416 Rigby and 505 Gibbs were on their last legs, rifles and ammo for the 470 and 500 NE were almost non existent in North America and the future didn't look bright for them ever returning.

Weatherby magnums were well known, but the expensive, flashy rifles and excessive recoil turned most shooters off to them immediately. Add to that the bullets of the time performed poorly at the velocity the Weatherbys were loaded to and sales were modest at best.

Then enter Paul Roberts who had purchased Rigby, Kenny Jarrett, Dakota rifles and others, who took the 416 Rigby case, and necked it to hold .458 bullets. All of them had the same idea all at the same time. A moderately large case smaller than the NE cartridges, but larger than a standard belted magnum, that could be chambered in a true Magnum Mauser sized action, and push a 500 grain .458 dia bullet to 2400fps with moderate pressure.

If you set the 460 Wby, 450 Dakota and 450 Rigby side by side, they are almost identical with the exception of the magnum belt on the Weatherby. Case taper, shoulder angle and pressure level are what separate them, but the designer had the same goal in mind with each of them. When so many people perceived the same need, and came up with almost the same answer, that should tell you something.

The 450 Rigby may fade as factory produced ammo for a while, but will maintain a loyal following among PH'S and hunters that want more stomp than the 416's, or the 458 Win.

Park West, Jerrett, Rigby and dozens of others produce rifles in 450 Rigby even now. Do you think they build rifles with the thought that they could never be supplied with ammunition?
IMO, I don’t think most companies would manufacture a rifle if factory ammunition was no longer being made, it wouldn’t make financial sense? Maybe Rigby was building 450 Rigby rifles when Norma was still manufacturing 450 Rigby ammo? Maybe a company like Parkwest will continue to offer 450 Rigby builds because they will still build you a 450 Dakota!
 
Those Rigby PH rifles in 404 and 450 might not be selling well but they are certainly driving a lot of discussion on AH.

My take is that it’s going to get harder and harder for ammunition companies in general to keep making the classic DG calibers. US market is being driven by constantly changing “flavor of the month” caliber craze. It seems like there is always a new 6.5 or PRC whatever coming out. Companies are constantly having to change their product lines to keep up with what’s popular. What makes money.

This in turn is made possible by the availability relatively inexpensive but accurate rifles. A bit like how people buying new skis every year they are buying new rifles in whatever is trending.

This cycle keeps people spending and the revenue coming in. It also leaves less room for production of classic DG calibers that are not part of the trend cycles and have a much smaller user base.
 
I think your guess would be good as mine. I would suspect limited rifles ever sold combined with most that have are reloading and not shooting a high volume, so that brass lasts a long time. It wasn’t that long ago (maybe 2023) Norma PH ammo was on close out at $60/box and Nosler ammo was on close out at $79/box. I wish I had bought more (particularly the 550 gr woodleigh softs). When Hornady stops making a cartridge or brass, I think that’s nail in coffin for a cartridge.
You mentioned the close out ammo and it reminded me of seeing years ago somebody wanting to sell 10+ boxes of 500gr partition ammo and thought the brass was worth the price alone.

The reloading factor is true but I haven’t even seen the brass.
 
…….and there you have it. Weatherby demonstrates loyalty to Weatherby owners; corporate Rigby has no loyalty to Rigby owners. Riflemen see their equipment as “personal” and have passion for their preferred brand. The corporate world looks at margins and only sees a “commodity”……….
Weatherby is definitely part of the corporate world. They have made ammunition from the beginning since Roy developed non standard cartridges. Make no mistake Weatherby is in the ammunition game to make money more so than to be loyal to their customers, and they have done a very good job. Weatherby makes very good quality rifles, but the target customer is very different from that of Dakota or Rigby. Entry level Weatherby rifles are going to be several thousand less than Dakota and $12,000+ from the Rigby starting point.

One thing I'm curious about is how many Dakota and Rigby owners out there are happy with factory ammunition if it's available for their custom rifles. You see so many threads talking about hand loads and custom loaded ammunition for calibers that have factory options. I feel that someone investing a couple thousand dollars in a rifle would be more likely to look to factory ammunition as a first option if available. Perhaps this is a topic for another thread.
 
I'm not really worried if the 450 Rigby lives or dies as a factory loaded round, or if Rigby builds rifles in the caliber.

I currently have 4 (that's four) 450 Rigby rifles, over 600rds of loaded ammo, about 200 new Norma brass cases still in the box, and at least 200 once fired Hornady cases.

The only one to my knowledge that had more 450 Rigby items than I do was @krish , and I bought all that he had. :ROFLMAO:
 
I'm not really worried if the 450 Rigby lives or dies as a factory loaded round, or if Rigby builds rifles in the caliber.

I currently have 4 (that's four) 450 Rigby rifles, over 600rds of loaded ammo, about 200 new Norma brass cases still in the box, and at least 200 once fired Hornady cases.

I see that Preppers have discovered DG rifles.
There must be an AH Award for such posts. :p
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Rigby owner’s passion for The Brand is legendary around the globe. Perhaps a Rigby executive will read these posts and champion Rigby to bring best quality factory ammo and handloading components to market. Rigby owner’s have earned and deserve Rigby support.

Godspeed.

Franz, @RIGBY are you listening... :)
 
Even if someone is listening I have serious doubts that anything will happen. I hope I'm proven to be wrong.
Rigby was in discussions with an ammunition company last year but a plan did not pan out.

We talked about this issue at a recent meeting and there is another manufacturer that we are hoping to enter discussions with to create Rigby ammunition.

Hopefully, this will pan out and I will keep the group updated if it does.
 
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