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I am amazed at the genuine incompetence on display by the Canadian government. The background is that Canada makes up 1.5% of the USA $28 trillion economy. So, let’s pretend Carney is an intelligent negotiator. And, he wants to diversify away from the USA. Why would you telegraph the intention for years and antagonize the USA? We are much more attractive to investors if we can spend a few years trading with the USA, while quietly building our resilience by reducing interprovincial trade barriers and growing our resource sector. The short term deals Trump prefers would work well in that situation. Why this fixation on long term deals? How does that benefit “Canada Strong” A bad deal today, a less bad deal tomorrow and a better one after that. The entire approach to this relationship has been like an adolescent, not a competent financial expert.
Let's not be naive. Everyone knows that Canada is trying to diversify away from the United States in the current circumstances, and plenty of people in the U.S. government literally know every meeting that a Canadian trade rep takes and likely what is on the agenda at those meetings as well.

Whether or not Carney makes any public statement about what trade moves he is negotiating his counterparts around the world well know exactly what he is doing.

And if you recall, the deal that was apparently on the table included the United States being able to veto other trade agreements Canada may have wished to enter into which would be a massive barrier to diversification, especially with deals with the EU and India currently being negotiated.

The reason people want a long term deal is because businesses want long term certainty for planning and investment purposes. Business like stability so they know when they are dropping huge funds into a program that the environment will remain good for that program in the long term.
 
Trump indeed has some noteworthy accomplishments and a truckload of baggage, but i believe we will ultimately be better off when he is finally gone and we are forced to surface better alternatives.
 
One of my biggest concerns about Trump and his soon-to-be-legacy is his quiet socialist tendencies.

He has pushed the U.S. government to take a large stake in Intel and a large number of other companies. He wants a sovereign wealth fund, he seeks control of companies through golden shares and other leverage devices. This is literally the definition of socialism, where government owns the means of production.

You won't hear anyone on the far left complaining about this because that is exactly what they want to do as well. There is lots of reporting of Democratic Socialists, including Bernie Sanders, loving this approach where government owns stakes in private business, and they plan to expand Trump's programs that do this if they get into office.

It is stunning to see a Republican President using and normalizing this socialist policy tool. This approach creates a massive long term risk for more and more government ownership of (not just regulation) business.
 
The world is full of assholes. I would rather have an asshole Republican president, then an establishment line toeing simp.
The "nice guy" Republican party is what partially helped create the political quagmire of Democrat mayhem
We need more pitbulls in the party.
 
Let's not be naive. Everyone knows that Canada is trying to diversify away from the United States in the current circumstances, and plenty of people in the U.S. government literally know every meeting that a Canadian trade rep takes and likely what is on the agenda at those meetings as well.

Whether or not Carney makes any public statement about what trade moves he is negotiating his counterparts around the world well know exactly what he is doing.

And if you recall, the deal that was apparently on the table included the United States being able to veto other trade agreements Canada may have wished to enter into which would be a massive barrier to diversification, especially with deals with the EU and India currently being negotiated.

The reason people want a long term deal is because businesses want long term certainty for planning and investment purposes. Business like stability so they know when they are dropping huge funds into a program that the environment will remain good for that program in the long term.
Let’s not be naive. What a way to start your post, but I suppose that is the new Canadian way.

My thoughts: The USA doesn’t care whether we diversify. And, Business just wants us to be business minded. We aren’t and cash is leaving. Business in the USA is growing faster than anywhere (in real dollars, not deceptive percentages) with Trumps short term agreements internationally. We have no ability in our lifetime to replace 70% of our exports with anyone. So let’s not engage in hysterics like the Liberals like to do, and just get the job done. That is an internal issue for Canada, not external. John Turner was correct about the impact of free trade on Canada. So now Canada needs to make itself stronger by changing how we work as a country. The Conservatives are absolutely correct on that point. Carney is trying to make the Liberals stronger by reaching into the Liberal playbook of hysteria. And now he has to balance that with the impact on our relationship with the strongest economy, by a large amount, and our geographically connected ally. I think it is a toxic way to deal with it.
 
Let’s not be naive. What a way to start your post, but I suppose that is the new Canadian way.

My thoughts: The USA doesn’t care whether we diversify. And, Business just wants us to be business minded. We aren’t and cash is leaving. Business in the USA is growing faster than anywhere (in real dollars, not deceptive percentages) with Trumps short term agreements internationally. We have no ability in our lifetime to replace 70% of our exports with anyone. So let’s not engage in hysterics like the Liberals like to do, and just get the job done. That is an internal issue for Canada, not external. John Turner was correct about the impact of free trade on Canada. So now Canada needs to make itself stronger by changing how we work as a country. The Conservatives are absolutely correct on that point. Carney is trying to make the Liberals stronger by reaching into the Liberal playbook of hysteria. And now he has to balance that with the impact on our relationship with the strongest economy, by a large amount, and our geographically connected ally. I think it is a toxic way to deal with it.
If the United States doesn't care if we diversify then why did they ask for a veto over us entering into other trade agreements? Shits and giggles? If they don't care if we diversify why did Trump threaten us with a 100% tariff if we entered into a free trade agreement with China?

There is no need to replace all of the trade with the United States. But the current U.S. government has made the United States a less reliable partner and ally and thus we need to become less reliant on them.

I don't see how anyone who has ever seen Trump speak can suggest Carney is about hysteria. Carney is a boring vanilla accountant compared to Trump's bombast.

And weirdly, perhaps the most bombastic Canadian leader commenting on the trade issue is Premier Ford (who I quite like). But he isn't Liberal now is he?

There is nothing particularly misleading about percentages. In fact raw numbers can often be more misleading, like Trump's comments last night about more Americans than ever being employed. Literally every U.S. President since 1948 could have said that as their population has kept growing.
 
If the United States doesn't care if we diversify then why did they ask for a veto over us entering into other trade agreements? Shits and giggles? If they don't care if we diversify why did Trump threaten us with a 100% tariff if we entered into a free trade agreement with China

Because you recently took Chinese steel, slapped made in Canada and sold it to us as Canadian steel. Though the 2 companies didnt admit fault,
they settled for 19M.
 
I think both sides need to take a deep breath on the Canada-US trade “war”.

Using general and rounded numbers, the US exports about $425B to Canada annually (2025). In return, Canada exports $450B to the US. So Trump is right. A trade imbalance.

And another thing Trump is right about - exports are far more important to Canada than they are to the US.

So what does that mean?

Well, you could say that it looks like Canada is exporting more than it imports and the trade deficit is bad, and needs to be corrected, and that tariffs will hurt Canada a lot more than the US because imports and exports are far more important to Canada than they are to the US.

Or, you could dig down a bit. If you did that, you’d see that at least one-third of Canadian exports to the US are energy (about $160B). While Canada likes exporting energy, I’d suggest the US needs to import it more than Canada needs to export it, so here, Canada is providing something the US needs. Yes, eventually, US refiners would change supply lines to source heavier grades of crude from elsewhere, but likely at a higher cost. And then, of course, there’s natural gas, which is exported to the US from Canada at a low price and then re-sold by the US as LNG at a much higher price, making more money for Americans (check out the US domestic volumes of natural gas consumed plus exported volumes, and compare that number to US domestic production). There’s a reason Trump hasn’t put tariffs on imports of energy.

And then we come to other raw materials like potash, rare earths, raw minerals, gold and others which are mined in Canada and effectively processed in the US. These exports add many more billions to Canadian exports to the US. And no tariffs on this either.

The bottom line (finally!) is that yes, there is a trade deficit between Canada and the US in Canada’s favour, but if you look at merchandise or manufacturing and services, the US has a huge surplus in trade with Canada.

There is a lot of hot air being blown on both sides of the border. Certainly, this trade war will hurt some pockets in both Canada and the US, but both Canadians and Americans need to realize that this is not an existential issue for Canada, contrary to what some US (and Canadian!) officials have stated. More than half of the trade between Canada and the US is vital to the US’s interests, including national security, and it won’t be going anywhere any time soon.

What will happen as Canada diversifies its markets for those materials which the US wants or needs is that the US will ultimately end up paying a higher price for those commodities. Note that the average differential between Canadian crude prices and WTI has narrowed by over 30% since the expansion of the TransMountian pipeline came into service last year. This is more money in Canada’s pockets, and less in those of the buyers of its energy. And current US policies are making Canada do what it should have been doing all along, which is diversifying the markets for its products, rather than just relying on what’s easiest.

It’s hard not to be grateful to those who provided the much-needed impetus for recent changes in Canada’s industry and trade policies. But if I were an American, and if I were taking the long view, I’m not sure I would see what’s going on as good news.
 
And yet more to make to you nervous about AI....seems more people at the top are coming out nearly daily with warnings....



'ARE YOU SARAH CONNOR?"
 
Last night, our President promised to pay every adult citizen $5,000 “if the Republicans win” the midterms. Straight up vote-buying. He calls the payouts “dividends.” The US is the brokest nation in world history. There are no profits to share. We are broke. He’s a lunatic.

Hey @Foxi there are still conservatives who can smell a turd.
 
Because you recently took Chinese steel, slapped made in Canada and sold it to us as Canadian steel. Though the 2 companies didnt admit fault,
they settled for 19M.
A private company tried to avoid a regulation and taxes.

Who could have imagined that.
 
Last night, our President promised to pay every adult citizen $5,000 “if the Republicans win” the midterms. Straight up vote-buying. He calls the payouts “dividends.” The US is the brokest nation in world history. There are no profits to share. We are broke. He’s a lunatic.

Hey @Foxi there are still conservatives who can smell a turd.
He claims the money will come from tariff revenue, I call BS. If we are collecting so much cash from these tariffs use the freaking money to try and pay down the debt.
 
One of my biggest concerns about Trump and his soon-to-be-legacy is his quiet socialist tendencies.

He has pushed the U.S. government to take a large stake in Intel and a large number of other companies. He wants a sovereign wealth fund, he seeks control of companies through golden shares and other leverage devices. This is literally the definition of socialism, where government owns the means of production.

You won't hear anyone on the far left complaining about this because that is exactly what they want to do as well. There is lots of reporting of Democratic Socialists, including Bernie Sanders, loving this approach where government owns stakes in private business, and they plan to expand Trump's programs that do this if they get into office.

It is stunning to see a Republican President using and normalizing this socialist policy tool. This approach creates a massive long term risk for more and more government ownership of (not just regulation) business.
Newsome is supporting the $1K child accounts
He claims the money will come from tariff revenue, I call BS. If we are collecting so much cash from these tariffs use the freaking money to try and pay down the debt.
I am still waiting for my $2K DOGE check.....
 
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I've been watching or listening to political talk shows this morning and none seem to believe this is an actual possibility, with even the most conservative coming out against. No better way to fan the flames of inflation than to dump money on the market. We ofcourse knew this before Covid but frickin did it anyways.
 
Newsome is supporting the $1K child accounts

I am still waiting for my $2K DOGE check.....
IIRC it was supposed to be a $5000 DOGE cheque and a $2000 Tariff dividend check but with all the money you must be raking in on the 600% discount he was going to get you on drugs you really shouldn't notice the difference.
 
Democrats are losing their shit over Trump's $5000 check offer.....LOL.
"I don't know about you all, but frankly I'm insulted by the notion that my vote this November could be bought for 5k. Not to mention the inflation this would cause. All things considered, I cannot in good conscience accept a penny less than 10k!" or

"Trump's $5K 'dividend' socialist vote-buying scheme."
 

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