Ordered New/Old Gibbs 505

That is beyond cool! I'm a fan of the 505 Gibbs and have one on a LH GMA based custom built by Wayne at AHR.

I once handled Barrie Duckworth's George Gibbs 505. Barrie is a friend of Richard Harlan from years back when both were with Rbodesian Parks. By coincidence their 505 rifles are consecutive serial numbers.
That's very cool.
 
First I'll say that I've been working on this insane idea of a Safari of the likes that hasn't been seen in a hundred years. It would be a massive undertaking and a logistical nightmare. At this point I'm not 100% sure I'll continue working on the idea as my wife has asked to help her start up her own business and that is now underway. We shall see how long that takes.

Aside from that, I'm not a hundred percent sure. Feels like I should go somewhere besides Zimbabwe for the Big 4, even though I really love it there. I love the way Buzz and his crew track lions. I do prefer hunting a leopard using dogs instead of hunting over a bait, but not by much. Need to do a bunch of research for sure. Happy to have any input. Besides, I need to hunt a Rhino next year with the Rigby 450 No 2 so the next Big 4 won't happen till 2028 anyway.
I mean...if planning a big trip, for a pair of special rifles, I'd go big. And if planning on your dime and budget...I'd step up to a multi-country affair. Maybe start with Buzz tracking a lion or larger ele bull, or whatever primary game you would want to kick off with for the first 12-15 days, then I'd move over to Mozambique or Uganda, do a double or triple buffalo safari for another 10-14 days, and finish with a 21-day full-bag in Tanzania with either Mike Fell or Kilombero North. And let me know if you need a gun bearer or someone to carry the misses purse even...I'm your huckleberry.
 
You should definitely visit Mark in his shop one day.
I've been there twice, and will likely be there again just before Christmas.
If I ever get back to England I'll make it a point to.
 
I mean...if planning a big trip, for a pair of special rifles, I'd go big. And if planning on your dime and budget...I'd step up to a multi-country affair. Maybe start with Buzz tracking a lion or larger ele bull, or whatever primary game you would want to kick off with for the first 12-15 days, then I'd move over to Mozambique or Uganda, do a double or triple buffalo safari for another 10-14 days, and finish with a 21-day full-bag in Tanzania with either Mike Fell or Kilombero North. And let me know if you need a gun bearer or someone to carry the misses purse even...I'm your huckleberry.
That's the kind of idea I like! I still need to hunt something with my Mannlicher Schoenauer 458, I too was thinking maybe doing a multiple Buffalo hunt so I could use both. And that last part is hilarious.
 
What a great project . I shot my new 505 last Friday for the first time . GMA action with 24 inch Krieger barrel . It was fantastic . I’ve just hoovered up every Woodleigh 505 pill ( and some Bertrams ) plus brass in my area today . Along with a lot of powder . I also have about 100 loaded Norma rounds . The big 505s are fantastic to shoot . Your Cruddington rifle sounds fantastic .
You've got a nice gun. Yea I haven't sourced any ammo yet, need to get on that. Mark can sell me some and I'll start there. My preference is Woodleigh bullets. Bertram would be a great choice on brass. Thanks for spurring me on in that department.
 
I don't think it will take very long to build (although I never asked), action and barrel are ready so the only big work left is the stock.

I do miss Alaska (in the four months of Spring, Summer, Fall), but in the 70's in the winter is oh so nice. I still have a storage locker with at least sixteen firearms in it, probably 20,000 rounds of ammo (Covid) and a bunch of other stuff. I need to get back up there and get it packed and shipped. Want to visit the places I never did when I lived there like Barrow and Dutch Harbor.

A 577. Okay. For me the 500NE was enough. Six shots and I was done for the day. So you are saying that might be my feeling with the 505 Gibbs. ;-)

Here is one of my favorite Alaska images. Only an Alaskan can truly appreciate it.

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So damn true...sadly with maybe April being also a bit larger and August even smaller. I definitely gravitate towards Hawaii in December thru February...but then when the muddy breakup happens, I am ready to go somewhere in April too.

You absolutely need a 505 Gibbs, at least once and for an epic hunt like you plan...but I wouldn't prove surprised if you find the recoil less than fun. I find my 500NE double far more pleasant to shoot than my 505 Gibbs. Both rifles are on the heavy side. My 500NE is a Heym 89b on a grossbox frame and 26" barrels, weighing in a 12lb 4oz. Pure joy to shoot, even with 600gr bullets in the 2050fps range, or 570's in the 2100-2150fps range. My 505 is also heavy, based on a GMA action and one of the original barrels GMA milled from an oversized Krieger blank with integral 1/4 rib, sling band, recoil lug and banded sight, in one of Ryan Breedings custom fiberglass stocks. It's well over 12lb with a 1-8 Z8i on it, it has Smithson quick release scope mounts...trying to recall, but think its around 11+ lb bare. It will wallop you with 600gr bullets at 2100fps, even at the same 2050fps as my 500NE. The recoil pulse seems faster or something. I can easily shoot few dozen loads through my 500NE and several days in a row. With the 505, I'm good after 6 or so. Not hurting or anything, but happy to put it down. I do want to take it to Uganda and smack some buffalo with it...and next trip to Kotz for moose/bear, I may have to bring it. I need to get a Swara Z6 1-6 EE scope on it though. While I haven't scoped myself with it, I've had it kiss my eyebrow more than once, and knocked my ball cap off a time or three. Its a lot more fun to shoot with the irons, but laser accurate out well past 200yrds.
 
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So damn true...sadly with maybe April being also a bit larger and August even smaller. I definitely gravitate towards Hawaii in December thru February...but then when the muddy breakup happens, I am ready to go somewhere in April too.

You absolutely need a 505 Gibbs, at least once and for an epic hunt like you plan...but I wouldn't prove surprised if you find the recoil less than fun. I find my 500NE double far more pleasant to shoot than my 505 Gibbs. Both rifles are on the heavy side. My 500NE is a Heym 89b on a grossbox frame and 26" barrels, weighing in a 12lb 4oz. Pure joy to shoot, even with 600gr bullets in the 2050fps range, or 570's in the 2100-2150fps range. My 505 is also heavy, based on a GMA action and one of the original barrels GMA milled from an oversized Krieger blank with integral 1/4 rib, sling band, recoil lug and banded sight, in one of Ryan Breedings custom fiberglass stocks. It's well over 12lb with a 1-8 Z8i on it, it has Smithson quick release scope mounts...trying to recall, but think its around 11+ lb bare. It will wallop you with 600gr bullets at 2100fps, even at the same 2050fps as my 500NE. The recoil pulse seems faster or something. I can easily shoot few dozen loads through my 500NE and several days in a row. With the 505, I'm good after 6 or so. Not hurting or anything, but happy to put it down. I do want to take it to Uganda and smack some buffalo with it...and next trip to Kotz for moose/bear, I may have to bring it. I need to get a Swara Z6 1-6 EE scope on it though. While I haven't scoped myself with it, I've had it kiss my eyebrow more than once, and knocked my ball cap off a time or three. Its a lot more fun to shoot with the irons, but laser accurate out well past 200yrds.
I'll be shooting 525gr so that should help. Moose and Bear with yours would be a great hunt. Mark Crudgington says that with the peep sight up the gun will be even more accurate than just the leafs out to 200 yards. Interesting but for me it's kind of unimportant as I like hunting Dangerous Game as close as possible, think the longest shot I've taken is around 35 yards. Mark says mine will weigh in a 10 1/2 lbs so a little lighter than yours.
 
I got offered a lovely Charles Lancaster new build one the other day.
Just not sure I can justify the need for one with a 470 in the works
 
I'll be shooting 525gr so that should help. Moose and Bear with yours would be a great hunt. Mark Crudgington says that with the peep sight up the gun will be even more accurate than just the leafs out to 200 yards. Interesting but for me it's kind of unimportant as I like hunting Dangerous Game as close as possible, think the longest shot I've taken is around 35 yards. Mark says mine will weigh in a 10 1/2 lbs so a little lighter than yours.
Totally agree with you on up close and personal, which is why I have fallen so deeply for doubles on dangerous game. The only reason the 505 has a scope presently is I was considering going to Uganda in February...still may, all depends on how crazy I get in Zim this October...and in that open Karamojo North area, there are times where you cannot get within iron-sight, double range. If I can't hit it with a double consistently, I cannot likely do a lot better with iron sighted bolt gun either...so figured the scope would be a smart option...and helps for load development as well. I do like the peep idea, smart alternative.

And from the photos above, that is going to be one sexy rifle.
 
First I'll say that I've been working on this insane idea of a Safari of the likes that hasn't been seen in a hundred years. It would be a massive undertaking and a logistical nightmare. At this point I'm not 100% sure I'll continue working on the idea as my wife has asked to help her start up her own business and that is now underway. We shall see how long that takes.

Aside from that, I'm not a hundred percent sure. Feels like I should go somewhere besides Zimbabwe for the Big 4, even though I really love it there. I love the way Buzz and his crew track lions. I do prefer hunting a leopard using dogs instead of hunting over a bait, but not by much. Need to do a bunch of research for sure. Happy to have any input. Besides, I need to hunt a Rhino next year with the Rigby 450 No 2 so the next Big 4 won't happen till 2028 anyway.
Hmmm you might think about Zambia? The lions in and around Kafue NP are really something special with big black manes and the leopards are good-sized as well. I hunted Kasonso Busanga for sitatunga, sable, buffalo, red lechwe, puku, bushbuck, etc... and they kill great cats there. You could then transfer to the Zambezi concession in Zambia for elephant. Friends of mine killed two big bulls there this year - 60+ and 70+ pounds. You could also transfer to the Bangweulu Swamp for black lechwe and to Kafue Flats for Kafue lechwe on your way home after getting the Big 4. That would be quite a trip! Then you just need a rhino to finish. Of course, Tanzania or Mozambique would be good options as well for a big, long safari.
 
My new 505G weighs 12.25 pounds . While it is a GMA double square bridge it has not been milled for a scope . I put a dozen rounds through it last week - really easy shooting . My shooting over iron sights still OK out to 100 yards . My other older 505 single square bridge with a 26 inch barrel is a lot lighter (< 11 pounds ) and not a pleasant rifle to shoot . I really don’t notice much difference between the new 505 and my 500NE double .
 
making a 505 along the lines of Richards but without the Selous plate (I would love one but no idea who could actually make one today) that Richard's has and a 23" barrel instead of Richard's 26".

In theory, getting a custom armorer to do it is well within the realm of possibility.

And by 'custom armorer' I literally mean a guy that makes custom medieval plate armor for reenactors and Historical martial arts guys. Anyone that can turn out gauntlets to measure should have no problem molding the plates to a stock.

The trick would be getting someone willing to do it and coordinating the whole thing.
 
A decent tin smith would be able to knock them out fairly easily, I suspect it wouldn’t be cheap though, lots of hammering, blacking, more hammering and then filling the finish smooth before final fitting
Gumpy
 
I think the problem is getting someone who can do the metal work to work with someone who can do the woodwork. They should be fitted and the wood chiseled away so that they’re smooth to the action and the stock. Not many people skilled in both these days.
 
My 505 built on a GMA action and 24" Kreiger Barrel weighs in at 11#s empty 11.5 loaded ... One Standing rear sight filed in for 30 yards with 525gr CEB Solids and 485gr Raptors No flip up sights as one may pop up under recoil when you don't need it
 
In theory, getting a custom armorer to do it is well within the realm of possibility.

And by 'custom armorer' I literally mean a guy that makes custom medieval plate armor for reenactors and Historical martial arts guys. Anyone that can turn out gauntlets to measure should have no problem molding the plates to a stock.

The trick would be getting someone willing to do it and coordinating the whole thing.
Back when I hunted in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe in the 1970s, there used to be a gunsmith named Ted Ottie who did Sealous plates on a couple of .458 Winchester Magnum FN Mauser Series 400s.

If he is still around, he would be in his 80s by now.
 
It’s going to be absolutely amazing. Are Mayfair Engineering Mauser actions still being produced ?
The firm went west about 2 years ago.

Another activity was the back-engineering of the Farquharson falling block action, manufacturing and supplying the modern actions to Rigby. Mark Crudgington has a story about his involvement with lending the company the original actions for them to copy.

In general terms, it seems to me that those companies supplying generic Mauser 98 actions - others are FZH and Granite Mountain - rather relied on the goodwill of Mauser not restarting manufacture of the 98 action.
 
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