Africa...when will you be priced out??

I sure would appreciate the CAD dollar not being .70c on the USD and getting worse.
I hear yah, but all CAD outfitters quote in USD and the last time I was up there the local bait shop wouldn’t take CC for licenses and would accept USD 1:1; luckily I had hit a bank and got $1,000usd turned to CAD and it was enough for the moose tag, black bear tag, fishing licenses & dinner that evening with$6cad left over.

But on the bright side of you go to Australia I think the CAD & AUD are on par and I think their prices are similar.
 
after six trips hunting to SA and bosw from 2013-2019 and taking quite a few animals (64) i don,t need to go again. but my hunting pardner on three trips wants to take another buffalo, so if he gets a hunt together i may go along and take a hippo. my hunting pardner and i with his decent kudu.
 

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Mark, you need to complete your Big Five. Have faith, something will come up for you. You deserve it.
 
I hear yah, but all CAD outfitters quote in USD and the last time I was up there the local bait shop wouldn’t take CC for licenses and would accept USD 1:1; luckily I had hit a bank and got $1,000usd turned to CAD and it was enough for the moose tag, black bear tag, fishing licenses & dinner that evening with$6cad left over.

But on the bright side of you go to Australia I think the CAD & AUD are on par and I think their prices are similar.
For sure!

I was mostly griping about African safaris and it's basically 30-40% extra ontop for us commonwealth expats. But alas, it's a first world problem and I shouldn't complain about trying to afford hunts. I know how luck I am.

This year with lots of cancellations worldwide, I had two great offers on northern bc moose, outfitter offered me I. cad for better price. And would have booked it too but my father declined a horseback hunt. I'd like to get him on a lake/cabin hunt, he's turning 70 and always talked about a good moose since I was a kid. I'd like to return the favour.
 
Still extremely high demand at $17,000 base per DIY moose hunter in Unit 18 of Alaska.

Papa Bear Adventures has such high demand that they have an intercompany private draw limited to 125 applicant teams. Bonus points awarded to those teams that do not draw. About a 3 to 4 year wait to draw privately!

I can’t comment about Renfro’s but they take even more hunters each year than Papa Bear. You can research these outfitters on the internet.

Good luck and happy hunting to, TheGrayRider a/k/a Tom.
Crazy to hear that!

I would think that a guy with a lot of money would do a fully guided hunt instead of a DIY hunt, so I assume that it's the average working man who is doing the DIY unguided hunts.

How is the average guy, probably with a wife, kids, house, etc coming up with 17Gs? And that's just for the hunt. Add license, travel, taxidermy, etc you would be pushing at least 20Gs
 
Crazy to hear that!

I would think that a guy with a lot of money would do a fully guided hunt instead of a DIY hunt, so I assume that it's the average working man who is doing the DIY unguided hunts.

How is the average guy, probably with a wife, kids, house, etc coming up with 17Gs? And that's just for the hunt. Add license, travel, taxidermy, etc you would be pushing at least 20Gs

I don’t know about others but I started saving for my first safari when I was in my 20’s, finally had enough when I turned 50.
I had to rob some from the account due to life’s happenings so I felt comfortable booking that “once in a lifetime” safari when I was 51. Now 12 years later and 4 more safaris under my belt alls I can think about getting back over there at least one more time.
 
I don’t know about others but I started saving for my first safari when I was in my 20’s, finally had enough when I turned 50.
I had to rob some from the account due to life’s happenings so I felt comfortable booking that “once in a lifetime” safari when I was 51. Now 12 years later and 4 more safaris under my belt alls I can think about getting back over there at least one more time.
Same here brother!
 
I’ve only been to Africa one time (so far) and at the point in my life where I can start doing some stuff. For better or worse, I haven’t experienced “better” or older pricing so I have nothing to really compare it to other than what you guys say. As long as I can make it happen, I’ll keep doing hunting trips. I think it’s all relative to where you are in your life.
 
I'm on record multiple times that I don't hunt. But I DID hunt; dove, duck, squirrel, deer. I've paid a lease or a club membership before, but I've never and would never pay the kind of fees required of African or North American guided hunts. Yeah, the money is big, but that's not it. It's the, "I'm going to pay someone $xx to shoot a "xx". All those outfitters are pimping animals they don't own the same way one would pimp sex. They may own the territory, but they don't own the animals. You guys are paying for sex. I'm not saying it's wrong and you shouldn't do it; I'm just saying I wouldn't do it. Then why am I here? I like talking about the guns.
 
I'm on record multiple times that I don't hunt. But I DID hunt; dove, duck, squirrel, deer. I've paid a lease or a club membership before, but I've never and would never pay the kind of fees required of African or North American guided hunts. Yeah, the money is big, but that's not it. It's the, "I'm going to pay someone $xx to shoot a "xx". All those outfitters are pimping animals they don't own the same way one would pimp sex. They may own the territory, but they don't own the animals. You guys are paying for sex. I'm not saying it's wrong and you shouldn't do it; I'm just saying I wouldn't do it. Then why am I here? I like talking about the guns.
You are paying for access and opportunity. I completely disagree with you.
 
You are paying for access and opportunity. I completely disagree with you.
Well, let's say the access is airfare+all the getting there+all the grease+the tips and the opportunity is day fees. What about the trophy fees (forget taxidermy- that's a choice)? That's usually the biggest expense. I never had to pay an extra penny to shoot any of the animals I named.

My paltry $100 share of a lease with many other persons pales in comparison to access and opportunity we're discussing in this thread for an individual to hunt PG or DG or NA mountain species.
 
Not sure if I’ll ever be priced out… maybe just eventually priced slower. It’s a blessing to get to go, and we’re fortunate to have the opportunity. For now, I’ll go as much as I can because tomorrow isn’t promised.
 
Well, let's say the access is airfare+all the getting there+all the grease+the tips and the opportunity is day fees. What about the trophy fees (forget taxidermy- that's a choice)? That's usually the biggest expense. I never had to pay an extra penny to shoot any of the animals I named.

My paltry $100 share of a lease with many other persons pales in comparison to access and opportunity we're discussing in this thread for an individual to hunt PG or DG or NA mountain species.
I do not feel your $100 lease gave you much opportunity or access. The cost also provides an experience. That experience and exposure to new cultures or ideas is hard to find a few miles from your home. I guess we all have our own ideas of what is of value.
 
I do not feel your $100 lease gave you much opportunity or access. The cost also provides an experience. That experience and exposure to new cultures or ideas is hard to find a few miles from your home. I guess we all have our own ideas of what is of value.
Hang on. One can experience new cultures and ideas for far less money than what a hunting safari costs. That's what we're talking about- being priced out. Take a camera instead of a gun and tell me what your bill is. As the saying goes, "Looking is free." If you want to use your "gun" the cost goes up. Hence the sex metaphor.
 
Hang on. One can experience new cultures and ideas for far less money than what a hunting safari costs. That's what we're talking about- being priced out. Take a camera instead of a gun and tell me what your bill is. As the saying goes, "Looking is free." If you want to use your "gun" the cost goes up. Hence the sex metaphor.
You haven’t priced out Serengeti photo safaris recently if you think that taking a picture is free. I saw a cancellation 15-day leopard hunt for cheaper than a 10-day Kenyan photo safari this month.

Experience what you want, but hunting in new areas is a unique way to experience the flora, fauna, and people of a region. I’m sure your $100 lease was great, and you loved the experiences you had with your buddies. Now imagine that with new cultures, cuisine, critters, styles of pursuit, etc. You make lifelong friends and see a side of the world that most westerners never will.

You are, however, free to experience (or not experience) what you want to in life. What I do not understand is arguing with people in a forum solely devoted to paying for hunting in Africa, essentially acting like they are stupid for spending their money on this exact pursuit. If you’re here for the guns only, then why even comment on a thread like this? Surely the only reason is to act superior because you only paid $100 for a deer lease and everyone else is just wasting their money in your eyes.
 
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You haven’t priced out Serengeti photo safaris recently if you think that taking a picture is free. I saw a cancellation 15-day leopard hunt for cheaper than a 10-day Kenyan photo safari this month.

Experience what you want, but hunting in new areas is a unique way to experience the flora, fauna, and people of a region. I’m sure your $100 lease was great, and you loved the experiences you had with your buddies. Now imagine that with new cultures, cuisine, critters, styles of pursuit, etc. You make lifelong friends and saw a side of the world that most westerners never will.

You are, however, free to experience (or not experience) what you want to in life. What I do not understand is arguing with people in a forum solely devoted to paying for hunting in Africa, essentially acting like they are stupid for spending their money on this exact pursuit. If you’re here for the guns only, then why even comment on a thread like this? Surely the only reason is to act superior because you only paid $100 for a deer lease and everyone else is just wasting their money in your eyes.
No, no; not taking a stance against- this isn't about me vs. the world. My point is more philosophical than practical because we're talking about being priced out, not not ever paying. I always point out ahead of time that I'm no longer a hunter. The OP's point, to me anyway, is that the prices are becoming exorbitant to the point the return is either diminished or non-existent. Another sex metaphor- remember when dinner was enough? Now you're paying all the bills every day and... nothing? Again, I'm talking about me, not the world.

I'll use a non-sex metaphor. Ever pay $10 for a beer you would normally pay $1.50 for at home? Was it worth it just because you were in a different environment? Maybe you accepted it because that's just the way it is. I think some/most hunters have admitted that hunting prices have outpaced other economic increases.
 
Hang on. One can experience new cultures and ideas for far less money than what a hunting safari costs. That's what we're talking about- being priced out. Take a camera instead of a gun and tell me what your bill is. As the saying goes, "Looking is free." If you want to use your "gun" the cost goes up. Hence the sex metaphor.
I find the sex metaphor ridiculous.
 
I'm on record multiple times that I don't hunt. But I DID hunt; dove, duck, squirrel, deer. I've paid a lease or a club membership before, but I've never and would never pay the kind of fees required of African or North American guided hunts. Yeah, the money is big, but that's not it. It's the, "I'm going to pay someone $xx to shoot a "xx". All those outfitters are pimping animals they don't own the same way one would pimp sex. They may own the territory, but they don't own the animals. You guys are paying for sex. I'm not saying it's wrong and you shouldn't do it; I'm just saying I wouldn't do it. Then why am I here? I like talking about the guns.
Just a thought, and not to derail a thread further than this misdirection already has, but please consider that “what you guys are paying for” is the sole source of game conservation for a continent that would have otherwise extinguished it. Perhaps, rather than use a hunting forum to demean hunters by comparing the act of hunting to the use of a prostitute, you might keep your peace rather than misdirect the purpose of a thread in a hunting forum you chose to join.
 
Just a thought, and not to derail a thread further than this misdirection already has, but please consider that “what you guys are paying for” is the sole source of game conservation for a continent that would have otherwise extinguished it. Perhaps, rather than use a hunting forum to demean hunters by comparing the act of hunting to the use of a prostitute, you might keep your peace rather than misdirect the purpose of a thread in a hunting forum you chose to join.
I thought I had a good analogy about the economics of big game hunting, the escalation of price, and the philosophy of price paid vs. total cost (more than the price paid). It fell flat, plain and simple, and I did not intend to demean; my explanation sucked. Had I gone straight to the $10 beer I could have done better. I am not anti-hunting but my priorities price me out from the get-go. Now keeping my peace. Back to the thread.
 

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