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Mtn_Infantry said:
Sounds like you should make the short drive over and ensure it’s no longer at the Bass Pro, but make sure your car/truck doesn’t get broken into or stolen while in their parking lot.
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Well I drove into SA today to have lunch at Paesanos Lincoln Heights. On the way home I stopped at Bass Pro and looked at this gun and talked with the owner. It's still there. Going to call JJ on Monday and get a quote mounting a Red Dot, and regulation with Norma Ammo. Factory was Federal. It has some very minor surface blemishes on the water table.

I drive an older car, and the only thing of value inside is a black dress so its not a high value target in their parking lot.
 
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wesheltonj said:
Well I drove into SA today to have lunch at Paesanos Lincoln Heights. On the way home I stopped at Bass Pro and looked at this gun and talked with the owner. It's still there. Going to call JJ on Monday and get a quote mounting a Red Dot, and regulation with Norma Ammo. Factory was Federal. It has some very minor surface blemishes on the water table.

I drive an older car, and the only thing of value inside is a black dress so its not a high value target in there parking lot.
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That parking lot is notorious for break-ins and auto theft. It’s almost like they target vehicles there hoping someone has a gun in their give box or center console. Trucks are regularly hit, especially if they have a tool box in the bed or brush guard up front. One of the highest density areas for auto theft in the country

Hope it works out on the gun
 
Mtn_Infantry said:
That parking lot is notorious for break-ins and auto theft. It’s almost like they target vehicles there hoping someone has a gun in their give box or center console. Trucks are regularly hit, especially if they have a tool box in the bed or brush guard up front. One of the highest density areas for auto theft in the country

Hope it works out on the gun
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You are kidding me
 
Hornedfrogbbq said:
You are kidding me
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No, he’s not kidding. I won’t drive my truck over there. It’s been a while, but the police department released statistics that showed over one vehicle theft and burglary per day in that parking lot. It’s insane that it’s been that way for more than 10 years and nobody has done anything about it.
 
Wow, that's crazy to think that these burglars are doing this and nothing is being done. Like maybe setting up cameras all around the parking lot, and maybe even roving patrols. I wonder if this is impacting their business.
 
Hornedfrogbbq said:
You are kidding me
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Negative, it’s happened to me and numerous people I know. The area around the National shooting complex is really bad too. The Police officers that responded told me it’s been happening for years, certain trucks in specific years are prone to break-in, others are prone to disappear completely.

For example F250’s (prior to this latest body style) like to disappear from the parking lot and move a few hours south. It has to do with the lock panel on the door and how they can access with a flat screwdriver. If I remember correctly a few years ago it happened to one of the reps from a big manufacturer that was in for the weekend working the Fall Classic a few years ago. He walked out to get dinner or at the end and his truck was gone.

When I’m in town I do not drive my super duty (2003) into that parking lot anymore. I’ll uber from whatever hotel or buddies house I’m staying at.
 
Pick up trucks can and do disappear from anywhere in the Greater SA Metro area. They are either (1) "chopped" or driven to the border. The border traffic is not as in demand since Trumps been president. They would use them ro transport illegals across country, and generally be trashed after one trip.

Four houses away, the guy had his Ford stolen from the driveway. They left the Ram.
 
Troubleshooter said:
Fully agree with this assessment. I would like to see more-detailed photos (in-focus this time) and absolutely agree with the recommendation for an inspection by JJ. Factor that cost, and the potential cost of a re-jointing and other repairs into the price.

Obviously it is not "collector-grade" but I suspect that you already know that and want something to actually shoot. On my machine, I can't zoom into the photos enough to see details but here is what I can see from looking through the photos and the description:

1. Heavily buffed during the "restoration" process. Markings appear weak or non-existent but it could be due to the poor photos. Case coloring, as Mark noted is somewhat suspicious. Certainly they are "vivid" as the seller states, but what is that hiding?

2. DU take-down case will be helpful in transporting to/from the range but adds no value to the rifle itself.

3. Forearm (photo #5) is a serial numbered item, but I see none on the metal. Again, was this buffed out?

4. I'm suspicious of the shiny marks on the barrel flats (photo #6) but hard to tell from the photo whether that's reflection or symptom of a problem. Proof marks look weak, but again, could just be photo quality.

5. I have concerns about the serial number on the water table (photo #7). Those numbers appear to be haphazardly applied, not the work one would expect of Jeffery. In addition the serial number should appear in front of the LEFT firing pin, whereas this one is in front of the RIGHT firing pin. Oh, and it's facing the wrong direction (should be stamped to read from breech-face to the hinge) whereas this one is the opposite.

6. Speaking of the breech-face (again, photo #7) take a hard look at the metal surrounding the firing-pin bushings. Despite the poorly focused photo, I see damage to the right side and possibly to the left. I've heard this referred to as "flame cutting" caused by the old cordite ammunition. Not a deal-breaker in itself, but it certainly bears inspection by someone who possesses the requisite expertise to render a valid opinion.

7. Sides of the receiver (photo #9) are slick. Most of the Jefferys that I've seen have some engraving (at least minimal bead border engraving). The exception is their No. 10 double rifle which is described in my copy of the 1910-11 catalog as "absolutely without any engraving, the entire cost of manufacture being devoted to the obtaining of a thoroughly serviceable rifle at a minimum cost." But even those rifles without engraving still have the "WJ Jeffery & Co" logo stamped on the sides of the receiver. This rifle lacks that, again leading me to question whether it was removed by a heavy hand at the buffing wheel.

8. Barrel markings (photo #14) look weak, buffed out. Or at least they appear so on my machine.

9. And what's up with that stock? Did the seller coat it with oil prior to the photos or did the "restoration" involve dipping the stock into a vat of varnish?

10. Seller states that "Action is tight." Maybe it is, but how did he determine that? Did he use actual gauges, or cigarette paper as an expedient, or did he just give the gun a vigorous shake and decide it's all good? Definitely want someone to check that out if you decide to purchase.

So in my decidedly non-expert opinion, what you have here is a poorly restored potential shooter-grade Jeffery with several issues at a low but not necessarily bargain price. I would suggest comparing the photos in this ad to other Jeffery doubles currently listed on the same website and see what you think. It might be a good idea to call JJ and ask him whether he knows this rifle.

You're a big boy and have to make your own decisions based on your personal desires and finances. But if you were one of my friends, my advice would be to save your money, look around some more, and purchase a rifle for which you need make no excuses.
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I think these are all reasonable observations.

What I would tell people on this forum is that there is no reason to get excited about Jeffery rifles or shotguns. Jeffery never made any weapons at all, he was a cartridge developer and retailer. The super majority of Jeffery retailed arms were C-grade, Birmingham weapons made by the likes of Webley, W.C. Scott, and a host of other "makers to the trade".

Are they junk? Absolutely not. Should you pay a premium for the word Jeffery? Not a damned penny. You could literally get the very next serial number gun or rifle made in that Birmingham workshop in 2x the condition for the same price. Buy the gun, never the name.

It's heavily worn and inconsistently restored, the very worst condition for collectibility or to be an appreciating asset. Either it should be worn and lightly conserved, or expertly restored consistently across the total rifle.
 
rookhawk said:
I think these are all reasonable observations.

What I would tell people on this forum is that there is no reason to get excited about Jeffery rifles or shotguns. Jeffery never made any weapons at all, he was a cartridge developer and retailer. The super majority of Jeffery retailed arms were C-grade, Birmingham weapons made by the likes of Webley, W.C. Scott, and a host of other "makers to the trade".

Are they junk? Absolutely not. Should you pay a premium for the word Jeffery? Not a damned penny. You could literally get the very next serial number gun or rifle made in that Birmingham workshop in 2x the condition for the same price. Buy the gun, never the name.

It's heavily worn and inconsistently restored, the very worst condition for collectibility or to be an appreciating asset. Either it should be worn and lightly conserved, or expertly restored consistently across the total rifle.
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Interesting; thank you for that info @rookhawk . The W.J. Jeffery & Co. that sponsors this site- who makes those rifles? From the W.J.J. website... "And once again, just like the original rifles, they are made by Best gunmakers in Birmingham, England."
 
DaddyFlip said:
Interesting; thank you for that info @rookhawk . The W.J. Jeffery & Co. that sponsors this site- who makes those rifles? From the W.J.J. website... "And once again, just like the original rifles, they are made by Best gunmakers in Birmingham, England."
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No shade intended to the current owners of the Jeffery, or Gibbs, or Rigby trademarks. These are not the original companies, they own the trade names. Vintage Jeffery's as I said were typically c-grade weapons. They were affordable enough that professionals used them and thus they built up a great reputation because of the buyer's accolades. The modern Jeffery rifles are indeed, very high end best grade and priced as such. They have nothing to do with one another.

As to who makes the new Jeffery rifles? They likely won't tell you just like the original Jeffery would not tell you. It's a trade secret. If I had to conjecture, its going to be a bunch of world-class outworkers in the Birmingham area. I know there is one tiny never-heard-of-them guy that makes all the lock springs these days, its all he does. Bill Blacker is one of the best bluing experts in England. If I was going to sell best rifles, I would cobble together an A-team of more than a dozen experts working out of their home studios to make it happen. This approximates what happened a century ago in Britain, but especially in Suhl and Zella Mehlis.

Buy the gun, never the name.
 
Beck said:
Interesting looking rifle here

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Butch Searcy did a great number of these conversions from Brownings in the 80s and 90s. I'd compare to his to see if the gunsmith can be identified. It's a peculiar iron sight installation so it may be possible to identify the gunsmith by that design.
 
rookhawk said:
Butch Searcy did a great number of these conversions from Brownings in the 80s and 90s. I'd compare to his to see if the gunsmith can be identified. It's a peculiar iron sight installation so it may be possible to identify the gunsmith by that design.
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I already have a double so this is not for me. For someone looking to buy their first dangerous game double this is the cheapest one I have ever seen. I know very little about doubles compared to many of our members, but a few observations below:

-I'd want to shoot a rifle like this prior to purchasing to check the function, accuracy, and regulation.

-I would also make sure it has a serial number. I could be wrong, but I don't think you can take it to Africa without a serial number.

-Finally, I would note the listing refers to dual triggers and ejectors. I only see one trigger on this rifle.
 
Did anyone happen to save pics of the rigby a few pages back? I didn’t see it
 
That is a beautiful rifle! I’ve never owned a KIMBER rifle. But I love their pistols.
 
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