Hunted with "old" Kynoch soft nose ammo..?

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Did any of you use such ammo..and if so what can you share with us..?

The thing is..I have this old .450/400 3 1/4 double rifle.. My ammo is of 1970 vintage...give consistent 2050fps...sooo considering to use it on 2 buffalo cows.. It regulates perfectly with these cartridges..
 
Have some old 500 Jeffery rounds...only ones I could find in the gunshop when my rifle arrived here...they were on the floor under the bottom shelf where various old strange rounds live....never used on anything but go bang when I have played with them...
 
I've actually used the same caliber in my Wm. Evans rifle, 450-400 3 1/4 and that ammo to take a buffalo and banteng in Australia a few years back. Worked as intended. I would recommend you thoroughly examine your ammo before you add it to the "making the trip" pile. Some of the more tarnished ammo may have some imperfections that might cause you to discount it and use it for practice, but if it looks good it will certainly still do the job!
 
Bwana..did you recover any bullets..? My ammo looks to be stored properly and give consistent 2050fps over the crono..
 
Bwana..did you recover any bullets..? My ammo looks to be stored properly and give consistent 2050fps over the crono..
Unfortunately not.... in Oz they don't recover the meat like in Africa so a post mortem wasn't done.
 
A friend tied jus that on a buff hunt.
Didn't work!
450/400 31/4" old kynoch soft points.
Five good hits but didn' penetrate.
After some helicopter work and a 375HH with barnes bullets it was solved!
 
Used HXP 303 ammo which is older than me. Worked
 
I located some 0.408 woodies..have to make up some loads..
 
Did any of you use such ammo..and if so what can you share with us..?

The thing is..I have this old .450/400 3 1/4 double rifle.. My ammo is of 1970 vintage...give consistent 2050fps...sooo considering to use it on 2 buffalo cows.. It regulates perfectly with these cartridges..
@Pondoro

I used a 220Gr Kynoch round nosed steel jacketed FMJ solid to take this Seladang bull in Chiangmai, Northern Thailand in 1979. Penetration was very good, since these solid bullets were actually manufactured by Norma in Sweden. It broke through the humerus/scapula/shoulder bone and managed to reach the heart.
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I do not recommend using the original Kynoch soft points on Cape buffalo cows unless you make a perfect broadside double lung shot and strive to avoid any heavy bone.

Shifath uses vintage Kynoch soft point ammunition regularly in India for culling wild boar & Nilgai (in his .470 Nitro Express Manton & Co. sidelock ejector). He has frequently shown me Kynoch soft point bullets which completely disintegrated upon striking the ball-and-socket joint of large Nilgai bulls. A Cape buffalo cow is heavier than a Nilgai.

From reading hunting reports of the “Golden era”, we both know that people like Harry Selby & Harry Manners completely switched to using solids for all game animals in their .416 Rigby and .375 Holland & Holland Magnum rifles respectively… because Kyncoch soft points were so prone to breaking apart on heavy game.
 
So Habib..Kynoch solids from 1970 are infact made by Norma then..?
I also have some solid ammo of that vintage
 
So Habib..Kynoch solids from 1970 are infact made by Norma then..?
I also have some solid ammo of that vintage
Pondoro,

On the box, do you see any writing which says “Made from Swedish components” ?

You see, in 1962… Kynoch stopped producing new loading components at their ammunition manufacturing plant at Witton. From then onwards until cessation of operations in 1970, Kynoch ammunition was loaded with either components manufactured prior to 1962 or by new components imported from Norma in Sweden.

.375 Holland & Holland Magnum Kynoch ammunition was NEVER loaded with Swedish components. But the 7x57mm Mauser, 8x57mm Mauser, .30-06 Springfield, .300 Holland & Holland Magnum, 9.3x62mm Mauser, 10.75x68mm Mauser and .404 Jeffery definitely were.
 
No such writing Habib..so most likely I have the old original Kynoch solids..
 
No such writing Habib..so most likely I have the old original Kynoch solids..
Pondoro, yeah. Be very careful with those. The last British made Kynoch round nosed steel jacketed FMJ solids used very brittle steel jackets. I highly recommend you do a few penetration tests before taking them out into the field.
 
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Once again, the Kynoch ammo worked fine for me. Newer bullets are undoubtably better constructed with new metallurgy and bonding but it's amazing the "old" hunters were still able to bring game to bag with Kynoch, Winchester silver tips and Remington corelokt!
 
I was just reading a report from the New Zealand writer Nathan Foster ( Ballistic Studies) and he had some very interesting opinions on the use of "old" bullets. In the article he was discussing the .35 Whelen, but his comments seem relevant. He says old bullets become "fragile" with age. I wonder if any of our members have observed this phenomenon? Mr. Foster is very experienced, and seems to base his observations on real world data, however I am skeptical of his opinion in this case. I have shot some local game with 50-60 yr. old bullets and enjoyed predictable and satisfying results, but... what do you think of the following?

"Before we discuss projectiles, please understand this; projectile performance varies with age. The older the projectile, the more it will have naturally annealed, while the core may have become somewhat powdery. It is quite common to come across such old projectiles for the .358’s at auction because this caliber suffers from fad buying. Rifles are purchased on a whim, tried but not fully utilized and then cast aside. Generally speaking, if the projectile packet is sun bleached and completely faded, the projectiles will be akin to varmint bullets."
 
Keep in mind that using soft nose bullets on heavy DG is a new practice. Prior to bonded or mono-metal expanding projectiles, solids were the order of the day.
 
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Once again, the Kynoch ammo worked fine for me. Newer bullets are undoubtably better constructed with new metallurgy and bonding but it's amazing the "old" hunters were still able to bring game to bag with Kynoch, Winchester silver tips and Remington corelokt!

We all used such bullets for shooting heavier game back in the seventies and eighties, but never heavy DG. As @matt85 wrote, using FMJ bullets or solids for buffalo hunting was the norm during those times and that well into the nineties.

Many FMJ bullets that were still in use, as @Hunter-Habib wrote, don't had the same construction as the FMJ bullets from nowadays. Some, due to their thin jackets, fragmented within the game body and ultimately behaved like fragmentation bullets. I also sometime used in the past antiquated ammunition, not from Kynoch, but I would not do it again and therefore advise against it if there is a much better alternative available.
 

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