Thoughts on Cape Buffalo under 40"

Only you can answer your questions. If you are hunting for inches and shoot a 38" hard boss, will you always think first, dam that's only 38? Most people that come into my memory room have no idea of 2" of buffalo horn or inches of anything else for that matter. They just say wow. I do not have one over 40" but shot in wild free areas where I or the PH did not know the animal we were after. Only that we were after a hard boss bull and I will shoot when PH tells me too.

As most have stated the hunt is most important. I saw many + 40 on my SA hunt, at the hay bales, orange piles or on rds waiting for wagon. I would NOT shoot a 50" in those circumstances. They were a different animal than the Zim ones.

No difference in a, 36, 38, or 40 when on wall for me. The hunt fills my memory bank.

You must decide whether inches will matter, you will look at him for many years.

MB
 
I think most mature hard bossed bulls make an excellent trophy even if under 40 inches. I think the hunt is more important than inches.

This one taken last year in a memorable hunt was 37 inches
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A lot of hunters say this, but I’d like to see how many follow through actually given the option and at the same pricing. I personally have zero interest in a scrum cap except maybe on last day. I’d rather take an old bull with worn horns. Not every scrum cap or broken horn bull is old, but it seems to automatically make every hunter call them 15 years old.
All I want is a scrum cap. I'd take something with horns on the last day.
 
I was lucky. I got an old, arrogant, passed its prime, and a difficult hunt on my bull. Single buff bull hunt. Didn’t look at the horns. Just focused on making a good shot.

BTW: I wasn’t hunting buff, I was just open to the possibility…

Sometimes you take what is given.

Even though it was a little over 42”, I didn’t know that until my Taxidermist told me back in the states.

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That is an animal I’d walk for days to see.
 
I'm quite glad that majority of interest in hunting buff is now in old warrior Dugga boys with width not a single deciding factor.

Pick up the tracks. Get in close. See what lays at the end.

I actually kind of make a face when I see young bulls shot out of the herd now with dark dark hair still between the boss's. I understand it happens and everyone's style or take on hunting is their own. But I'm very glad the shift is in "the hunt" over the trophy for a Cape Buffalo, its swinging in my tastes and style.

My first safari with Buzz, we tracked Dugga boys everyday. The odd herd, "just so I got to experience the difference" and on day 5 we finally sealed the deal. Crawled into thick woods with crunchy leaves everywhere. I had my choice of 4-5 Dugga boys. a +40" but it had zero drop, reminded me of a cow buff. There was a scrum cap too but right fully so, Buzz and I decided on a beautiful representative bull. Hard bosses. No hair between, lots of drop and hook. Everything I hoped for and in the best position for a shot out of the 5. That scrum cap will have be for another safari ! I don't think I've ever measured mine correctly but it's 38 and change I think. Wouldn't have mattered if it was 35-36.
 
Congratulations and welcome to the disease Sir ; ]

The title of your thread brings to mind my favorite Cape Buffalo, he was an old worn to the nub Warrior with boses barely larger than both palms of your hands, worn as smooth as if sanded and polished, he was covered in scars, front to back and down both sides from fighting other bulls while passing on his genes, all this while living among the lions of Tanzania, ears in tatters as well.

He died like he lived, one 750gr TSX from a 577 double at 18 yards in the river reeds on The M'barangandu caused the death bellow before he had fully fallen on his right side, then as quickly as I could move left giving him a solid through both shoulders, it was over.

What a truly Noble Beast, I didn't measure him, I don't care, he was a Boss Stud Champion survivor in the game of life and will remain my favorite Cape Buffalo of all time.

Much, much more to the story of these great animals over what a damn tape measure says.

Good luck, have a blast.
I hunted there in October 2024, it sounds like we had very similar experiences. I wrote a report on the hunt, you may find it interesting.
 
The only thing that matters is age to me, especially those with smoothed off bosses and busted and/or worn tips. The old battle scarred lone Dugga boys. :)
 
so for the benefit of inexperieneced DG hunters [me] how are the horns measured, tip to tip plus lentgh or do the bosses count for something , just trying to determine what the 40' magic is about.
thanks
Greatest width...or " outside spread"
Spike
 
I am making plans for my 2nd trek to South Africa. It will not occur until 2028 (I'm a planner). On my first trip, I took 10 heads of Plains Game. On my return trip I will also be mainly Plains Game hunting, but I have a pretty good price available on a "Male Cape Buffalo less than 40". Here is my question- is a buff under 40 still considered a formidable specimen? Will it look smallish when shoulder mounted? As stated, I am new to Dangerous Game hunting and just want to get an idea if that is too small or not.
When you met your wife, did she walk up to you with a tape measure to see if you’d look too small mounted?

If you’re asking this question and you have this option you’re hunting a game farm within a high fence. It also means you’ll have the opportunity at something bigger. If you’re worried about how it’ll look, open your check book a little more and pay for one that’ll look better compared to your friends Cape Buffalo mounts. Don’t forget to ask for the ones you can drive close to or use a drone/helicopter on. Otherwise, just enjoy the hunt, and spend time looking for the oldest most mature hard bossed bull you can find.
 
I will add another point on the buff vs inch question. I shot a CB Lion as I never expect to be financially able or willing to shoot a wild one as that equals 4+ safaris for wild other game. But most blue collar guys with the will power, determination and a little extra work will be able to up a fenced hunt to a truly wild one.

Again its the hunt not the inches for me. With some planning and looking a Zim safari gives an awesome wild buff hunt for little more than a fenced SA one.

MB
 
so for the benefit of inexperieneced DG hunters [me] how are the horns measured, tip to tip plus lentgh or do the bosses count for something , just trying to determine what the 40' magic is about.
thanks
Outside spread of the curls is what is being talked about here. Bull pictured is 39”. A bull doesn’t need to be over 40” to be a trophy. Shot a 10 yards in high grass.
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If hunting on a SA game farm. Odds are that they will be 7-8 years old. Maybe a rare 10 year old. A 40” 7 year old will look like a 40”’ 7 year old.

But. No one cares if your hard bossed, ragged eared, saggy necked, dew lap wearing bull is 36”

But they may roll their eyes if it’s a 41” soft boss or barely hard bossed.
 
When you met your wife, did she walk up to you with a tape measure to see if you’d look too small mounted?

If you’re asking this question and you have this option you’re hunting a game farm within a high fence. It also means you’ll have the opportunity at something bigger. If you’re worried about how it’ll look, open your check book a little more and pay for one that’ll look better compared to your friends Cape Buffalo mounts. Don’t forget to ask for the ones you can drive close to or use a drone/helicopter on. Otherwise, just enjoy the hunt, and spend time looking for the oldest most mature hard bossed bull you can find.
I am new to this. You don't have to be a jerk. Do you remember a time when you were new to something and asked others for guidance?
 
Well this got a ton of response and quickly lol….
Imagine a 38” hard Bossed Buffalo is looking at you
Then try to imagine a thumbs width (1”) difference on each side
It’s nothing….Means nothing…..
Hell, I’ve not shot one over 40…maybe this year…
But I shot old bulls that are very nice and never thought twice about it.
 
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Over the years the pendulum has swung from inches to age. The `` RW Holy Grail " of 40 inches plus has been overtaken (by many) with age & character - shiny worn bosses, smooth horns, broken tips or the ultimate scrum cap bull ! This is certainly being promoted by the likes of CMS, Rigby & many many more. It is the old, loan bulls or small 2 and 3 groups of 10 plus year old bulls, past breeding, that you can track for hours & hours that make, in my opinion, for the ultimate buff hunt.

One of my most memorable day`s buff hunting was in Zim with CMS, following a single dagga boy for for 9 hours from first to last light & we never saw him once! We bumped him twice & followed fresh splattered dung for miles & miles but he always walked with the wind on his tail! Was he 36 inches or 42 inches - no idea. But it was one heck of a day of buff hunting. At the end of the day, we got a "Well walked!" from the PH. Kind of like a "Gold star" in the kiddies school book!

This one below was the last one I shot in October 2025. Stalked to within 20 meters & taken with a .416. Super old, estimated at pushing 14 years based on the teeth & with the bonus of the horns going 39 1/2 inches, callipered at the skinning shed. The outfitter measured it for their book, not for me. He will be a simple Euro / bleached skull mount hanging outside the entrance to our home in Joburg.

My 2 cents - forget about inches, go with an open mind, focus on the old dagga boys & live & breath every moment of the hunt!


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I am new to this. You don't have to be a jerk. Do you remember a time when you were new to something and asked others for guidance?
Get used to it when this topic comes up. A lot of snobs when it comes to Cape buffalo.

I went to Africa the first time as a trial, unsure if that style of hunting would fit me. I'd spent almost sixty years hunting almost entirely alone and DYI. So I booked a "beginner's package" for plains game. By the second day I had taken all of the package (+ warthog and wildebeest) except kudu. That afternoon the outfitter had learned of an offer to cull a cow on a breeding operation. The prolonged drought required thinning the herd. It was offered to me at a very good price. I was already over budget and not really interested in shooting barnyard animals. Lodge owner and my PH looked at each other and chuckled. "Pat, you don't understand. Buffalo DO NOT like people. These are not domesticated animals." The lodge owner had seen the cow and he assured me she was exceptional. Those two kept after me and finally I conceded. I had five days to shoot a kudu so may as well go make myself useful. We arrived late in the day and planned to do some scouting and get the lay of the land (4K acres). Fortunately the herd had been spotted in the morning not too far off. So we headed into the thick stuff at the base of the mountains. I had been warned not to shoot the herd bull who was easily identified by a tag. "You will know which cow to shoot. She's the one with the really big horns." Again, when they finally stopped in the open I was told to shoot the one with the really big horns. "Hell, they ALL have really big horns!" She's in the back. Wait a second. There, fourth from the right another cow just stepped out of the way. "Oh yeah. THOSE are big horns." She had another cow on her right side and a calf just to her left. They were looking at us. I couldn't get steady in the wind and declined to take the shot. My PH stepped over and supported my right elbow. "How's that?" BANG!

I had never seen a buffalo before that afternoon. You will be stunned at the sheer size and omnipotent appearance when you first encounter them. Measuring the horns is the last thing that comes to mind. A good PH will ensure you do not shoot a soft boss bull. That's what is important. In former times it was all the rage for hunters, particularly American hunters, to shoot the biggest spread bulls. The result was too many of the younger soft boss herd breeding bulls at the prime of their lives were being taken out. The old dagga boys with horns broomed off were then able to rejoin the herds and reenter the breeding. Result was often they were breeding with their progeny which is not good for health of the herd. SCI helped fix this by adding boss measurement to their standards. But in some places "cowboy" operators will still have/let clients shoot soft boss bulls. We've seen this come up here where hunters have proudly posted photos of their exceptional long horned young soft boss bull, not knowing it is generally not looked on favorably these days. So you may easily encounter fabulous +40" soft boss bulls but your PH, if he's a good one, won't let you shoot them ... unless there is a need to cull them. And as we know, culling prices are way below the usual trophy fees. Or they should be. If someone wants to get rid of a nice soft boss bull I might take it off his hands for half price. If you happen to shoot a soft boss of your own volition, expect to pay full price, maybe more if you're shooting a breeding bull. Keep in mind that +40" soft boss bull will look impressive on the ground but if you plan on turning it into a euro mount, it will look very unimpressive with a big patch of bare skull between the horns. Taxidermist can add faux bosses but I don't have much use for guys who fake their trophies. They lack self respect. Certainly doesn't show the animal any respect.
 
Get used to it when this topic comes up. A lot of snobs when it comes to Cape buffalo.

I went to Africa the first time as a trial, unsure if that style of hunting would fit me. I'd spent almost sixty years hunting almost entirely alone and DYI. So I booked a "beginner's package" for plains game. By the second day I had taken all of the package (+ warthog and wildebeest) except kudu. That afternoon the outfitter had learned of an offer to cull a cow on a breeding operation. The prolonged drought required thinning the herd. It was offered to me at a very good price. I was already over budget and not really interested in shooting barnyard animals. Lodge owner and my PH looked at each other and chuckled. "Pat, you don't understand. Buffalo DO NOT like people. These are not domesticated animals." The lodge owner had seen the cow and he assured me she was exceptional. Those two kept after me and finally I conceded. I had five days to shoot a kudu so may as well go make myself useful. We arrived late in the day and planned to do some scouting and get the lay of the land (4K acres). Fortunately the herd had been spotted in the morning not too far off. So we headed into the thick stuff at the base of the mountains. I had been warned not to shoot the herd bull who was easily identified by a tag. "You will know which cow to shoot. She's the one with the really big horns." Again, when they finally stopped in the open I was told to shoot the one with the really big horns. "Hell, they ALL have really big horns!" She's in the back. Wait a second. There, fourth from the right another cow just stepped out of the way. "Oh yeah. THOSE are big horns." She had another cow on her right side and a calf just to her left. They were looking at us. I couldn't get steady in the wind and declined to take the shot. My PH stepped over and supported my right elbow. "How's that?" BANG!

I had never seen a buffalo before that afternoon. You will be stunned at the sheer size and omnipotent appearance when you first encounter them. Measuring the horns is the last thing that comes to mind. A good PH will ensure you do not shoot a soft boss bull. That's what is important. In former times it was all the rage for hunters, particularly American hunters, to shoot the biggest spread bulls. The result was too many of the younger soft boss herd breeding bulls at the prime of their lives were being taken out. The old dagga boys with horns broomed off were then able to rejoin the herds and reenter the breeding. Result was often they were breeding with their progeny which is not good for health of the herd. SCI helped fix this by adding boss measurement to their standards. But in some places "cowboy" operators will still have/let clients shoot soft boss bulls. We've seen this come up here where hunters have proudly posted photos of their exceptional long horned young soft boss bull, not knowing it is generally not looked on favorably these days. So you may easily encounter fabulous +40" soft boss bulls but your PH, if he's a good one, won't let you shoot them ... unless there is a need to cull them. And as we know, culling prices are way below the usual trophy fees. Or they should be. If someone wants to get rid of a nice soft boss bull I might take it off his hands for half price. If you happen to shoot a soft boss of your own volition, expect to pay full price, maybe more if you're shooting a breeding bull. Keep in mind that +40" soft boss bull will look impressive on the ground but if you plan on turning it into a euro mount, it will look very unimpressive with a big patch of bare skull between the horns. Taxidermist can add faux bosses but I don't have much use for guys who fake their trophies. They lack self respect. Certainly doesn't show the animal any respect.
Thank you for taking the time to share this with me. I have learned much from you in the past and value your judgement and opinion. My question, when I posted it, was sincere. I have since learned based on these answers (about 100 times!) that I need not worry about horn size and should focus on maturity. Initially, I was truly worried of "those in the know" telling me I shouldn't have shot a bull that size.
 
Have taken several buff. Never looked at width, looked at boss.
Whatever turns you on, but boss is more indicative of old and mature.
 
Thank you for taking the time to share this with me. I have learned much from you in the past and value your judgement and opinion. My question, when I posted it, was sincere. I have since learned based on these answers (about 100 times!) that I need not worry about horn size and should focus on maturity. Initially, I was truly worried of "those in the know" telling me I shouldn't have shot a bull that size.

To your last point; my wife has a cousin who only knows SA game farm hunting in Africa. He shot a 43 or so inch bull, granted it is a great bull and he is rightfully proud of it. He came over to our house and somewhat turned his nose up at my 38 or so inch Mozambique bull and my 39 1/2” sable from Mozambique. I don’t measure animals so the buff is just a guess but my PH just had to know the length of the sable.
I truly think I would be more proud of my Mozambique bull than a game farmed bull. With that being said I may try a game farm bull one day but age will be my most important criteria.
 

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